Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Our media seems to think he wont want to go to ny, not just dan murphy either but he was the most credible person who said it. Dan travels with the team and works for sportsnet, knows the players pretty well.

Dan Murphy ‏@sportsnetmurph 15h
People wondering about a VAN/NYR trade involving Kesler. Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure Kesler isn't waiving his NTC to play for AV again

I don't think it would be ideal. But if he didn't have that NTC i don't think it would be a toxic environment between the two.

"Clean Slate" hehe

 

[Gardner McKay]

Close to even, IMO. We upgrade our forward group significantly, but we're asking our defense to likely play over their heads.

Which makes me more nervous about Staal. If anything happens to him our defense is toast. Also if he walks next year out defense is completely FUBAR

 

[Mikos87]

On Vatenen v Karlsson...

Karlsson was terrible defensively his 1st two years... he's not that great now, and if you recall the Stepan goal against OTT, that is something that comes with Karlsson's game... it's offset by his gaudy offensive ability and the fact that he can take over games for 30 min a night.

Karlsson is a 7 gear skater, while Vatenen right now looks to be a 5 gear skater.. he's fast... he's not omg wtf fast.

Vatenen can't eat 20 min a night now or go up against top line players.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Which makes me more nervous about Staal. If anything happens to him our defense is toast. Also if he walks next year out defense is completely FUBAR

Our defense is FUBAR w/o G.

We'll have to put someone w/ McD who won't be able to handle the minutes.

 

[pld459666]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

 

[Todd Harvey]

I am a huge fan of GlenX, and think he will be a great pick up... I'd do Kristo, Bourque, 2nd for GlenX.

Some of the guys here were schooling me a bit on Fast last night.
I havent seen these kids up close recently, so I really cant say as to Fast.
But Kristo, I know that kind of talent when I see it.

To me, he's the kind of guy that can burn your butt if you move him, especially for a guy in his 30's.
Same time, gotta give to get.
Would have to know what else is out there & the prices.

The other thing with Glencross would be, where is he gonna play?
Who sits? He's excellent cause he can slot from your 2nd line to your 4th. He can score some, he can rumble. he's presumably not as expensive as an Andrew Ladd, who I dont see coming here.
Same time, you dont want to give up big talent for a 4th liner.
Are they thoroughly pleased with Hagelin? If you're going to insert some more grit, where are you putting it?

Lotsa questions get answered this deadline.

 

[LORDE]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

Not alone... see post #884

 

[Ail]

Of course I do.

Im angry when I talk about the Rangers most of the time

Can confirm, BRB is often angry.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Do you guys think Vatanen can play with Staal and have him cover up for him? It was just nice having 2 shutdown D-pairings.

 

[MisterUnspoken]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

I thought they were one of those teams of destiny that was going to win it all despite being one of the most mediocre teams to have made the playoffs. It's happened before.

I never actually thought they were a dominant team.

 

[Ail]

Just a thought here, maybe the sudden change of heart by Girardi on his asking price was because he got wind Sather was going to sign and trade him to Anaheim for Vatanen+.

If I were Girardi I would do that if they tried to sign/trade without asking me.

 

[AHB*]

Seeing the guys brought up through the system like Anisimov and Dubi leave, and possibly Callahan and Girardi as well, in the span of just 2 years is ****ed up and rather ridiculus. ):

Long live sather.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

I basically agree - and I think we were very lucky to get away from Gaborik with the return we received. At the same time only one team wins the Cup every year and that was a very likable team that did very well. I understand why it has a special place in people's hearts, but yeah. Not really sustainable, was it?

I don't know what we're going to do with our defense tbh. I think in a vacuum I'd rather see us keep Girardi; our d-corps is really good with him. But if there's a hard number they want his salary to come down to, or if there's value on the trade market they didn't expect, I understand. Maybe they didn't see Vatanen's name popping up; maybe there's a second suitor that's forced that kind of asset into the picture.

I just hope there isn't too much pressure on the kid Vatanen to play well on a short-window team: offensive D-men have feasts and famines, he'll be replacing a very popular player, his acquisition will almost certainly make us worse defensively. I want this to be a good situation for him if we bring him in.

 

[Bluenote13]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

You are not alone.

Can confirm, BRB is often angry.

And often right.

Do you guys think Vatanen can play with Staal and have him cover up for him? It was just nice having 2 shutdown D-pairings.

If Vatanen supplies the offense we can always find someone to play alongside and be responsible. Finding/acquiring the Vatanen's are alot harder to do.

 

[Todd Harvey]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

You are SO not alone. Worst hockey I've ever seen.

Only time in my life I'd be angry after watching them win, because it was so awful, so damaging long term (which is why Cally is packing his bags about now; maybe Girardi too), and so futile.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

You are not alone.



And often right.



If Vatanen supplies the offense we can always find someone to play alongside and be responsible. Finding/acquiring the Vatanen's are alot harder to do.

Bold claim. Link?

 

[NYR Viper]

Just a thought here, maybe the sudden change of heart by Girardi on his asking price was because he got wind Sather was going to sign and trade him to Anaheim for Vatanen+.

If I were Girardi I would do that if they tried to sign/trade without asking me.

No GM would do that without telling the player. Players would never re-sign there ever again.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Just a thought here, maybe the sudden change of heart by Girardi on his asking price was because he got wind Sather was going to sign and trade him to Anaheim for Vatanen+.

If I were Girardi I would do that if they tried to sign/trade without asking me.

That seems like a little bit of a stretch, no?

 

[NYR Viper]

Do you guys think Vatanen can play with Staal and have him cover up for him? It was just nice having 2 shutdown D-pairings.

The problem with 2 shut down pairing is you have no offense coming from the blue-line. Vatanen isn't that bad defensively. He is no worse than Moore.

 

[hpNYR]

This is ridiculous. Now theres a rumor of Kesler for Stepan out there. Katie Strang

 

[Ail]

That seems like a little bit of a stretch, no?

Yes which is why it was posed as a fleeting thought.

 

[aufheben]

You are not alone.



And often right.



If Vatanen supplies the offense we can always find someone to play alongside and be responsible. Finding/acquiring the Vatanen's are alot harder to do.

I always think teams make their own luck. And yes BRB is usually right, hah.

There are TONS of people on here that didn't believe in that team.

 

[nevesis]

“@lindacohn: Kesler for Step. Just another rumor I heard that I'd have to see to believe. Add that to all the MSL, Cally, Kesler stuff. @NYR248 #NYR”

 

[aufheben]

The problem with 2 shut down pairing is you have no offense coming from the blue-line. Vatanen isn't that bad defensively. He is no worse than Moore.

So, put him with Staal or McDonagh and he'll be fine?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I guess I'm alone.

I never believed in the team that got to the CF.

Always felt we were lucky on most nights that the turtle technique worked.

was amazed that we could get pinned in our own zone for 3-4 minute stretches and not get scored on.

Never believed we had enough offence to break through and felt lucky that we were able to beat both Washington and Ottawa that year.

Always thought that we needed better balance in terms of offence and defence and we never had that.

I don't believe you can play a puck possession game and as a strategy dump the puck every time you got to the blue line, or blindly sent the puck around the boards when pressed. Puck possession means when you have it, you keep it.

So when i see posts that poo poo the fact that we lost 3rd and 4th liners (Dubi being the lone exception) as being some reason for not getting back to the CF I just and remember that the problems were alot deeper than that.

Definitely agree. It boggles my mind how many people point to the Nash trade as the undoing of last year's team and not the fact that our 2 best forwards from 11-12 fell off the face of the Earth. But around here it's always "blame Sather and ask questions later". So maybe I shouldn't be surprised.