Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[Gardner McKay]

Not sure if I agree on Kadri. He is more of what they have in Step/Brasaard. Would not help with diversity of scoring. Bolland would be a much better fit to anchor a 3rd line IMO but not for the outrageous contract he is seeking. I like Gardiner but I would imagine the Leafs value him pretty highly.

I agree that he is kind in the mold of Step/Brass. Look at it this way, if we can't get our hands on a legit bonafide #1 C, having 3 2C's wouldn't be bad. Richards isn't a 2C any more. Kadri is and will be.

Not sure what their needs are though.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brass has a $3.7M qualifier. He will file for salary arbitration on July 5. One year award or one year contract takes him to group 3. Do the Rangers want him for longer than one year and how much will it cost? These aren't easy decisions. There's a report out of Norway concerning Zuccarello and his contract. Newport does not want him playing in the World Championships because of his pending free agency. I can't wait to read how much Newport will request in the arbitration brief. Watch everyone turn on him when it's $5 million. He can be a group 3 in 2015. Or the Rangers leak the number to Brooks and Sather goes off on Zuccarello at the draft. Sather won't be heard from again until after the draft. He grants the minions a few minutes on the Saturday after the draft. No trade clause. All of that stuff.

 

[RangerBoy]

Staal will cost $6 million. Girardi is at $5.5 million. $4.7 million for McDonagh. The Rangers are shelling out another $4 million plus for Stralman? Staal won't be a cheap re-sign. His salary next season is $5.45 million and that's a group 3 year. He isn't taking a pay cut to $5 million. How much money and term do the Rangers want invested long-term?

 

[bernmeister]

That's one of the worst pieces of "journalism" I've ever read

It seemed to suggest using the amnesty was equally good choice, Richards or Nash, but we can't trade Rich without being subject to recapture penalty if anything happens. Don't believe that penalty = Nash, who is shorter term deal.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Staal will cost $6 million. Girardi is at $5.5 million. $4.7 million for McDonagh. The Rangers are shelling out another $4 million plus for Stralman? Staal won't be a cheap re-sign. His salary next season is $5.45 million and that's a group 3 year. He isn't taking a pay cut to $5 million. How much money and term do the Rangers want invested long-term?

That's part of the reason why I think the Rangers look to deal Staal this summer.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It shouldn't even be a question of where the centers we have should line up. Stepan is a very good 2C who can fill in as a first line center if necessary, but shouldn't be relied upon to do that. Brassard is a 3C who can fill in as the 2C if necessary. This team needs a first line center if they're truly going to compete for a cup. You can't ask a bunch of guys at the most important position on the ice to play over their heads and expect a championship. It doesn't work like that.

Does it need to be a guy who is going to pot 100 points? No, but it needs to be a guy who can generate offense and be a threat on more than 75% of his shifts.

They also need to realize that Nash is a perimeter player who just happens to be 6'4 and mislabeled by the media as a "power forward" and line him up with at least one guy who can crash the net and hound pucks. It's not a coincidence that he's been most successful with guys like Hagelin and Kreider as opposed to Richards and MSL.

The best thing that could happen to this franchise, ideologically, is realizing and accepting that the answer to the 1C problem might not be there as soon as this offseason

 

[bernmeister]

Staal will cost $6 million. Girardi is at $5.5 million. $4.7 million for McDonagh. The Rangers are shelling out another $4 million plus for Stralman? Staal won't be a cheap re-sign. His salary next season is $5.45 million and that's a group 3 year. He isn't taking a pay cut to $5 million. How much money and term do the Rangers want invested long-term?

I'm with you here, with one asterisk.
Staal is a no brainer. And he deserves to be paid. fully
Stralman, only ? is do we try to re-sign for close to what he will get on open market, then, NOT BEING GREEDY, flip him for a useable asset, preferably a pick?

Or, do we not take the headache/risk of the signing for the potential reward of the swag asset, and try to simplify?

No way, sign and keep. One exception.
Unless we are overpaid for Girardi (yeah, I know about the NMC, assume he waives it), and then Stralman is a temporary, lesser version of Girardi as a stopgap, while accepting the benefit of being overpaid on the Girardi surrender.

 

[Gardner McKay]

That's part of the reason why I think the Rangers look to deal Staal this summer.

What could a package of Staal and Stepan net us?

 

[Trxjw]

Not sure if I agree on Kadri. He is more of what they have in Step/Brasaard. Would not help with diversity of scoring. Bolland would be a much better fit to anchor a 3rd line IMO but not for the outrageous contract he is seeking. I like Gardiner but I would imagine the Leafs value him pretty highly.

I disagree about Bolland. He's brittle and AV has never been the type of coach to really leverage a shutdown center.

I think Kadri is the kind of player that would excel in this kind of offense. Speed through the neutral zone and he can create off the rush. Can play all 3 forward positions as well. He's a bit Brassard-like, but I think Stepan is a totally different kind of player.

 

[Trxjw]

The best thing that could happen to this franchise, ideologically, is realizing and accepting that the answer to the 1C problem might not be there as soon as this offseason

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. I can't see how they can bide their time with a 39 year old MSL as the centerpiece of their offense. There's no building block waiting for them in 2015 with a good draft pick either. They've narrowed their window significantly.

 

[pld459666]

What could a package of Staal and Stepan net us?

Depending on the am they are going to? Quite a bit.

Probably gets something like Kane++ out of Winnipeg

Edmonton would swoon over that package.

Think that the Panthers would be interested

Maybe Dallas would entertain the talk of Nichushkin and Chiasson?

Would prefer to send them both our west if possible.

 

[bernmeister]

I like Stralman and he would be missed, BUT I also like Diaz. Diaz is an underrated player, he can log top 4 ice time.

The D I don't like — in the equation — right now is Klein. I just think it's really obvious right now that we lack a PPQB and that our blueline as a whole don't move the puck well enough.

I am sick and tired of us never takin on a D who doesn't have size or who isn't perfect defensively. We need to make some serious effn effort to find a needle in a haystack here, it's what 13 years since we moved Leetch.

If we signed Zidlicky he would at the age of 38 instantly become the best offensive D we had IN A DECADE AND A HALF.

Why do people expect us to win again? Other teams spend a ton of resources to find offense from the blue line, what does people think, they do it for fun???

Why does people expec our forwards to be able to score? They get nothing to work with from our Ds.

Our blueline is probably:

-Top 3-5 defensively

-Top 15-25 in the transition game

-Top 25-30 on the PP and from the blueline and in.

Yes it's depth is good, and we have two shut down pairs. But it has some serious flaws.

Allow me to emphasize an open mind on your props generally, and kudos for often thinking outside the box.

However, here, while I like Zidlicky's shot, both Zid and SJ's Boyle have to be avoided due to being over 35 contract.

We don't need the additional risk, headache etc that brings.

 

[bernmeister]

They should. Sell high. Before he gets concussed again.

Sell Nash too. Guy is terrified of contact after his concussion

I'm open minded on Staal, still possibly the best pure shutdown D in the league.

Prefer to keep, but if we are overwhelmed.... it would behoove us to listen.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. I can't see how they can bide their time with a 39 year old MSL as the centerpiece of their offense. There's no building block waiting for them in 2015 with a good draft pick either. They've narrowed their window significantly.

I hear ya, its always something.

I just wish the decision making process would change. For instance, if the Rangers are going to kick the tires on Stastny, it should be about Stastny the player and if he fits into the team's longterm plans.

It shouldnt be about getting a quick replacement for Richards because MSL and Lundqvist aren't getting any younger.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Depending on the am they are going to? Quite a bit.

Probably gets something like Kane++ out of Winnipeg

Edmonton would swoon over that package.

Think that the Panthers would be interested

Maybe Dallas would entertain the talk of Nichushkin and Chiasson?

Would prefer to send them both our west if possible.

Dear god no. I don't see him being more than a 60-65 point player in his career.

Im curious as to what we could pry out of Edmonton or the Panthers. Edmonton needs defense. We need a legitimate #1 C. Something around RNH? (not a huge fan of his either especially with that cap hit but, if he could bulk up a bit I think he can be a force and a PPG player). Wonder what Yak would cost? Id take a flyer on him to see if he can turn it around. His value is at an all time low. If he has another down year, EDM may not be able to get squat for him. They could still get a decent piece for him right now.

 

[bernmeister]

What could a package of Staal and Stepan net us?

Sounds a lot like something I have been saying for over a year, often to derision and scorn, though I prefer to risk a higher return for Girardi, and get creative (including but not limited to playing McD at 1RD w/Staal at 1LD if nec).

Welcome everyone to house of bernmeister.
Everyone like our friend Gardner who was usually polite while still having a difference of opinion, welcome, buddies all, welcome.
Freedom of speech and open expression always championed here at Chateau Bern.

However, the handful few of you who were real jerks, really rude, really condescending, really arrogant -- you know who you are -- you can first kiss my butt as price of entry.

Oh, and be sure to admit you bend, buckle and break in undoing your arrogance, acknowledging I was in fact right that it would come to some variant of this with this crop of Rangers team.

I don't mean to suggest I'm never wrong, or know everything about everything (that would, kudos, be RangerBoy [no, really, is there anything NYR he doesn't know?).
But I trust we can all agree, after the severe tongue lashing taken, I am in my rights to briefly and accurately set the score with this select group of rabid detractors.

 

[silverfish]

That's part of the reason why I think the Rangers look to deal Staal this summer.

With such a barren D market on the FA side, how can we deal Staal without a bonafide top-4 LHD coming back in the deal? Then it's a pretty lateral move. No way John Moore is ready, or may not ever be ready, for top-4 minutes. Eventually Brady Skjei could be that guy, but that's a few years away. And not the 2015-2016 season (the year after Staal's FA year).

Moving Staal is something that is hard for me to fathom, but when push comes to shove for the budgeting, I suppose it might have to happen regardless.

Healthy Staal is a revelation. It's a shame that 'healthy' is a *bit* of a question mark with his concussion issues. He would also get good return value in a deal.

Tough decision.

 

[Ola]

Nash will score 30 goals. He had 20 plus this season missing 17 games with the concussion. 20 plus in the lockout year missing 4 games with a concussion. His playoff performance is lousy. Maybe Sather should have thought about that before making the trade. The Rangers still need Nash to make the playoffs next season. All of the Ranger fans on twitter started the Nash amnesty stuff after reading Ken Campbell. His contract doesn't carry the recapture penalties. $7.8M is a high cap hit but Sather knew what he was getting.

The thing is, I've followed good parts of the last 15 POs in this league closely.

Nobody can ever convince me that there is even remotely the same difference between performing in the POs as vs the regular season as there were before the lockout.

The problem with Nash is not that he can't perform in the POs, it is that his entire unit is targeted and shut down and we definitely often saw that during the regular season too.

This is a structure problem we have as a team, and have had for a real long time. We are not even close to creating that high scoring environment that you need to have. There is just a few areas of the game in which we don't deliver what it takes. A big part of that definitely involves our Ds. Another big part is that Stepan and Nash aren't playing off each other that well, and MSL haven't really found his role yet. And so forth.

Slats going to have to find a way too get a D that can contribute SOMETHING offensively. As it is we are getting a big nothing. Look around the league, if anything is important right now it's being able to have a dynamic attack and to be able to hammer the other team. Ds are essential in that regard.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Sounds a lot like something I have been saying for over a year, often to derision and scorn, though I prefer to risk a higher return for Girardi, and get creative (including but not limited to playing McD at 1RD w/Staal at 1LD if nec).

Welcome everyone to house of bernmeister.
Everyone like our friend Gardner who was usually polite while still having a difference of opinion, welcome, buddies all, welcome.
Freedom of speech and open expression always championed here at Chateau Bern.

However, the handful few of you who were real jerks, really rude, really condescending, really arrogant -- you know who you are -- you can first kiss my butt as price of entry.

Oh, and be sure to admit you bend, buckle and break in undoing your arrogance, acknowledging I was in fact right that it would come to some variant of this with this crop of Rangers team.

I don't mean to suggest I'm never wrong, or know everything about everything (that would, kudos, be RangerBoy [no, really, is there anything NYR he doesn't know?).
But I trust we can all agree, after the severe tongue lashing taken, I am in my rights to briefly and accurately set the score with this select group of rabid detractors.

I dont know what you're talking about, but you are wrong.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I hear ya, its always something.

I just wish the decision making process would change. For instance, if the Rangers are going to kick the tires on Stastny, it should be about Stastny the player and if he fits into the team's longterm plans.

It shouldnt be about getting a quick replacement for Richards because MSL and Lundqvist aren't getting any younger.

Out of curiosity, if we signed Stastny, what direction would you take the team? What further moves would you make?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Sounds a lot like something I have been saying for over a year, often to derision and scorn, though I prefer to risk a higher return for Girardi, and get creative (including but not limited to playing McD at 1RD w/Staal at 1LD if nec).

Welcome everyone to house of bernmeister.
Everyone like our friend Gardner who was usually polite while still having a difference of opinion, welcome, buddies all, welcome.
Freedom of speech and open expression always championed here at Chateau Bern.

However, the handful few of you who were real jerks, really rude, really condescending, really arrogant -- you know who you are -- you can first kiss my butt as price of entry.

Oh, and be sure to admit you bend, buckle and break in undoing your arrogance, acknowledging I was in fact right that it would come to some variant of this with this crop of Rangers team.

I don't mean to suggest I'm never wrong, or know everything about everything (that would, kudos, be RangerBoy [no, really, is there anything NYR he doesn't know?).
But I trust we can all agree, after the severe tongue lashing taken, I am in my rights to briefly and accurately set the score with this select group of rabid detractors.

Don't compare my post to yours. Thats not fair to me. You would give up Staal + Stepan + Miller + your first born for Tomas Hertl.

Im not sure what the rest of your post is about (and frankly it is quite creepy) but, I am talking in terms of truly a top line player. Not a young kid who may have been nothing more than a flash in the pan and settles in as a 20 goal scorer for his career.

 

[Ola]

We need to make assets available to get a PMD.

Staal, Kreider and co, I would consider moving either for a very good younger PMD. Slats need to take risks, we just can't keep messing around.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

With such a barren D market on the FA side, how can we deal Staal without a bonafide top-4 LHD coming back in the deal? Then it's a pretty lateral move. No way John Moore is ready, or may not ever be ready, for top-4 minutes. Eventually Brady Skjei could be that guy, but that's a few years away. And not the 2015-2016 season (the year after Staal's FA year).

Moving Staal is something that is hard for me to fathom, but when push comes to shove for the budgeting, I suppose it might have to happen regardless.

Healthy Staal is a revelation. It's a shame that 'healthy' is a *bit* of a question mark with his concussion issues. He would also get good return value in a deal.

Tough decision.

This team is going to have to make some tough decisions and some bold moves if they really want to get better long-term. Paying Staal like a #1 to be a #3 is a luxury I just don't see this team having with all the other holes they have. I agree that there's no immediate and natural replacement in house but that is in theory what guys like Sather and Gorton get paid for: go find talent.

I kind of saw them choosing Girardi over Staal when they extended Girardi.

 

[Gardner McKay]

With such a barren D market on the FA side, how can we deal Staal without a bonafide top-4 LHD coming back in the deal? Then it's a pretty lateral move. No way John Moore is ready, or may not ever be ready, for top-4 minutes. Eventually Brady Skjei could be that guy, but that's a few years away. And not the 2015-2016 season (the year after Staal's FA year).

Moving Staal is something that is hard for me to fathom, but when push comes to shove for the budgeting, I suppose it might have to happen regardless.

Healthy Staal is a revelation. It's a shame that 'healthy' is a *bit* of a question mark with his concussion issues. He would also get good return value in a deal.

Tough decision.

With how he has played this season and especially the playoffs I don't know that his value has been higher since he started accumulating injuries.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

We need to make assets available to get a PMD.

Staal, Kreider and co, I would consider moving either for a very good younger PMD. Slats need to take risks, we just can't keep messing around.

With the lack of size and the lack of LWers, I can't see them being in a position to deal Kreider.