HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Mrb1p]

Marner is a better player than Matthews in the playoffs. He cares more about the playoffs too. Theres that Nylander/Marner/Matthews bench altercation where Nylander says " All you f***ing do is cry", he's talking directly to Matthews. This guy is a complete loser.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

What needs to happen is trading Matheson for a solid RD; this way Ghule would be able to play on his strong side.
Hopefully Reinbacher slides in on our 3rd pairing instead of Savard to start his career and within 2~3 years he becomes our 1st RD ; I think he has all the attributes to fill the role on the short term.
Carrier sticks around until /if ever Mailloux establishes himself.
I think HuGo will need to overpay a genuine 2nd C over the summer.
I really see Matheson as one our biggest problems going forward.
The foundation is rock solid.
Compared to all the issues this administration had to correct since their arrival, the rest of the puzzle pieces should fall right into place very quickly.

I agree but why would anyone trade a solid RD for Matheson?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Marner is a better player than Matthews in the playoffs. He cares more about the playoffs too. Theres that Nylander/Marner/Matthews bench altercation where Nylander says " All you f***ing do is cry", he's talking directly to Matthews. This guy is a complete loser.

Couldn’t agree more! I really thought the Four Nations showed us what the problem is in Toronto tbh

Marner seized the opportunity, Matthews wilted

 

[TomKosto]

What needs to happen is trading Matheson for a solid RD; this way Ghule would be able to play on his strong side.
Hopefully Reinbacher slides in on our 3rd pairing instead of Savard to start his career and within 2~3 years he becomes our 1st RD ; I think he has all the attributes to fill the role on the short term.
Carrier sticks around until /if ever Mailloux establishes himself.
I think HuGo will need to overpay a genuine 2nd C over the summer.
I really see Matheson as one our biggest problems going forward.
The foundation is rock solid.
Compared to all the issues this administration had to correct since their arrival, the rest of the puzzle pieces should fall right into place very quickly.

Matheson is really getting a lot of hate. IMO he plays too much but nobody in this teams is able to take his minutes and play better.

 

[sampollock]

Couldn’t agree more! I really thought the Four Nations showed us what the problem is in Toronto tbh

Marner seized the opportunity, Matthews wilted

agreed
I think mitch is done in figland, they tried to move him at the deadline.
nostrils gets more claps then mitch

 

[WeThreeKings]

True, but we’re talking about 2 elite wingers in the league. Both in the 3-6 range.
One might be available for free.

Why bring Bennett into the discussion? He’s a 2nd line player. 16:00 TOI/G in their Cup run.

Are we forgetting that we can build around talent? … or was Bergevin the GM for too long that we’ve become sensitized to skill?

“You can have a top 5 winger in the league”

“Nah, gimme Bennett.” C’mon

Yea, give me a guy who fundamentally helped a Panthers team win a cup over a guy who has fundamentally failed in the first round of the playoffs every year.

Just admit you want to have guys with big regular season point totals. That's fine if that's your goal. It's not mine.

Marner isn't a winner. He doesn't win. He doesn't make plays that contribute to winning in the playoffs. In fact his most famous playoff moments are him crying in the penalty box, twice, because of delay of game penalties he took trying not to pay the playoff price.

 

[Kosseca]

Matheson is really getting a lot of hate. IMO he plays too much but nobody in this teams is able to take his minutes and play better.

We all know that Matheson is mistake prone. He's effective when he as ice to work with. As you said, he plays too much and that is because MTL does not have a good replacement. So this is like saying you dont have a hammer in your tool box, so... i'll use the screwdriver until I get a new hammer.... Can work, but not ideal.

Well I guess lots of people are saying... time to go to Rona and get a hammer!!! Now can we exchange our screwdriver for a hammer?? not sure.... but once we get that hammer playing RD... what are we to do with that extra screwdriver?? Bottom line is that management needs to figure what they want the D to look like next season. Are they ok with Hutson on RD? if so, there is room for Matheson with Guhle and one of Struble and Xhekaj.

 

[TomKosto]

We all know that Matheson is mistake prone. He's effective when he as ice to work with. As you said, he plays too much and that is because MTL does not have a good replacement. So this is like saying you dont have a hammer in your tool box, so... i'll use the screwdriver until I get a new hammer.... Can work, but not ideal.

Well I guess lots of people are saying... time to go to Rona and get a hammer!!! Now can we exchange our screwdriver for a hammer?? not sure.... but once we get that hammer playing RD... what are we to do with that extra screwdriver?? Bottom line is that management needs to figure what they want the D to look like next season. Are they ok with Hutson on RD? if so, there is room for Matheson with Guhle and one of Struble and Xhekaj.

That hammer is gonna cost a lot and we dont have a lot in the bank to buy one

Finding a 2C and a top RD in one summer would be something lol

 

[Kosseca]

That hammer is gonna cost a lot and we dont have a lot in the bank to buy one

Finding a 2C and a top RD in one summer would be something lol

Priority is 2C for sure, but MTL as lots of pick and some other pieces to offer to get both I think.

 

[Mrb1p]

Priority is 2C for sure, but MTL as lots of pick and some other pieces to offer to get both I think.

Priority is trading MM for a true RD.
Then a 2C.
Then getting a top winger

 

[sampollock]

Yea, give me a guy who fundamentally helped a Panthers team win a cup over a guy who has fundamentally failed in the first round of the playoffs every year.

Just admit you want to have guys with big regular season point totals. That's fine if that's your goal. It's not mine.

Marner isn't a winner. He doesn't win. He doesn't make plays that contribute to winning in the playoffs. In fact his most famous playoff moments are him crying in the penalty box, twice, because of delay of game penalties he took trying not to pay the playoff price.

I agree. you need warriors in the playoffs. you need a really good balance.
scoring is key too. last playoffs in the final, habs lacked scoring

 

[rickthegoon]

I agree but why would anyone trade a solid RD for Matheson?

I should have said trade Matheson, and get our hands on a solid RD.
I agree that would surely not be a 1vs1 deal; the Habs will need to give other assets for that to happen.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Off season plan.....

Sign John Tavares for 7 million for 3 years.

Trade Patrik Laine to NYR for Alexis Lafreniere - why does NYR do it? Laine has one year left on contract and they can move on from Laf. He needs a change of pace.

Trade both 1sts for the best possible RD we can acquire. Rasmus Andersson would be ideal.

Purchase a giant cannon and shoot Matheson into the sun.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - Tavares - Demidov
Heinemen - Newhook - Dach
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Beck/Kapanen

Hutson - Andersson
Guhle - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Rangers aren't going to touch Laine with 10 foot pole. Laine is a total mess

 

[Ozmodiar]

Yea, give me a guy who fundamentally helped a Panthers team win a cup over a guy who has fundamentally failed in the first round of the playoffs every year.

Just admit you want to have guys with big regular season point totals. That's fine if that's your goal. It's not mine.

Marner isn't a winner. He doesn't win. He doesn't make plays that contribute to winning in the playoffs. In fact his most famous playoff moments are him crying in the penalty box, twice, because of delay of game penalties he took trying not to pay the playoff price.

Very weak straw man regarding reg season.

You don’t seem understand that their roles are vastly different. Comparing a secondary role on a team led by Barkov, Tkachuk, Bobro, Ekblad ….
to a lead role on a team with a myriad of issues.

Context matters. It’s a team game.

Just add one of those leaders to the Leafs and they’d probably get past round 1 a few more times. 5 series went to game 7.

 

[rickthegoon]

Matheson is really getting a lot of hate. IMO he plays too much but nobody in this teams is able to take his minutes and play better.

My conclusion is that both Ghule and Hutson are way more useful and talented LD and therefore should be played more than Matheson. In an ideal world, Ghule should be playing on his strong side, but he’s blocked by Matheson.
Presently, I see Matheson as our 3rd LD, but he’s playing top minutes and he’s been exposed big time; he can’t handle any forechecking and makes the same mistakes in the offensive zone every game.

 

[Takeru]

After looking at the center options for this summer, I don't see other options than the deadline discussion of Horvat/McCann.

-We're not getting Crosby.
-Bennett is likely staying in Fla or anywhere else in ufa competition.
-We're not getting a center from cup contenders, nor from division rivals.
-Preds are on record saying they're not dealing ROR.
-Kadri is a big maybe at his age/contract, also debatable to even be on the market unless CGY tears it down for McKenna.
-Other teams are either rebuilding as well or have even worse options than we do.

 

[Kosseca]

Priority is trading MM for a true RD.
Then a 2C.
Then getting a top winger

We will have to disagree on that. MTL has short term "options" for RD with Hutson, Reinbacher and Mailloux... There are no 2C in the system ready to make the jump for another 2 to 3 yrs at best.

 

[Adriatic]

Very weak straw man regarding reg season.

You don’t seem understand that their roles are vastly different. Comparing a secondary role on a team led by Barkov, Tkachuk, Bobro, Ekblad ….
to a lead role on a team with a myriad of issues.

Context matters. It’s a team game.

Just add one of those leaders to the Leafs and they’d probably get past round 1 a few more times. 5 series went to game 7.

Do people realize all those Panthers players including the mighty Barkov were looked at complete chokers before Tkachuk arrived on the scene. All of sudden Barkov is the best thing since sliced bread. Context matters and I don't think people get that. Marner on the Leafs might be a failure but in a different setting he might be a champion.

 

[Benstheman]

Priority is trading MM for a true RD.
Then a 2C.
Then getting a top winger

What kind of RHD would ou be looking for??

Mostlky defensive who can log a lot of minutes?

Physical D?

Two-way D?

 

[Kosseca]

What kind of RHD would ou be looking for??

Mostlky defensive who can log a lot of minutes?

Physical D?

Two-way D?

Sorry to reply to your question for someone else, but to me it seem more appropriate to answer this question by asking what do you want the D to look like next training camp. If you dont want to play Hutson R, then you have to do with these pieces and fill the holes

Hutson - XXX
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Carrier

so the Q becaume what type of D should play with Hutson???

 

[Mrb1p]

We will have to disagree on that. MTL has short term "options" for RD with Hutson, Reinbacher and Mailloux... There are no 2C in the system ready to make the jump for another 2 to 3 yrs at best.

Hutson has been pretty much getting dunked ever since hes on the right side. He's not an option, we need to stop with the big braining. Guhle has also been struggling with Hutson and him often changing spots on the ice. We need a RD plain an simple.

Mailloux isn't even a reliable defender in the AHL.

 

[Mrb1p]

What kind of RHD would ou be looking for??

Mostlky defensive who can log a lot of minutes?

Physical D?

Two-way D?

Anything is an upgrade. A guy like Carlo would've been good I think. Matt Roy too.

 

[Adriatic]

Sorry to reply to your question for someone else, but to me it seem more appropriate to answer this question by asking what do you want the D to look like next training camp. If you dont want to play Hutson R, then you have to do with these pieces and fill the holes

Hutson - XXX
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Carrier

so the Q becaume what type of D should play with Hutson???

Habs need a Cernak type.

 

[Benstheman]

Sorry to reply to your question for someone else, but to me it seem more appropriate to answer this question by asking what do you want the D to look like next training camp. If you dont want to play Hutson R, then you have to do with these pieces and fill the holes

Hutson - XXX
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Carrier

so the Q becaume what type of D should play with Hutson???

I think eventually, Reinbacher should be the ideal partner for Hutson in the sense he needs to play with a big two-way D that can cover him defensively and play a physical game but also can complete his plays. If Reinbacher hits his ceiling, and it's a big if, he will be perfect for Hutson.

Now I'm aware Reinbacher is not there yet and may even never be. So because of that, I think we have to go for the kind of player Reinbacher is but more proven and experienced.

 

[Benstheman]

Habs need a Cernak type.

I would love Cernak. Habs actually needs size and physicality on the back end.