HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[sampollock]

Don't need a bum like Marner who cries in the playoffs. We want cups, man.

maybe it is fig town that makes him that way
cant be that bad, 4 nations had him

 

[WeThreeKings]

maybe it is fig town that makes him that way
cant be that bad, 4 nations had him

He's that bad.. might be the worst offender on the figs.

 

[JadedRandom]

maybe it is fig town that makes him that way
cant be that bad, 4 nations had him

Fig Town isn't all-powerful.

It can't put the turtling in the turtler.

It just isn't in Marner's playbook to tank hits to make plays, even in the playoffs.

And that's a sign of softness and lack of guts that will continue to give Marner a bad reputation around the league for as long as he doesn't change his gutless play when it matters.

Oh, and Marner did duck hits at the 4 Nations too. He hasn't changed at all from last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...

 

[Treb]

Gotta wonder if KH will be able to find a market for Primeau this summer...

With how well he's played since going back to the A, you'd think at least 1-2 GMs with goalie issues would give up a late pick rather than wait till October to try to snag him off waivers.

Flyers in particular seems like good landing spots & Philly has a bunch of picks this year...

They already have Fedotov, Ersson, Kolosov and Bjarnason signed for next year. I don't see it unless they give up on Fedotov or Ersson and do not sign a vet goalie this summer.

 

[Sorinth]

Fig Town isn't all-powerful.

It can't put the turtling in the turtler.

It just isn't in Marner's playbook to tank hits to make plays, even in the playoffs.

And that's a sign of softness and lack of guts that will continue to give Marner a bad reputation around the league for as long as he doesn't change his gutless play when it matters.

Oh, and Marner did duck hits at the 4 Nations too. He hasn't changed at all from last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...

It's not in Lane Hutson's playbook to tank hits either, especially when he can duck them.

Now there's certainly an argument that you can't have too many players of that type, and that very well might be the case for us given we also have Caufield in the top-6. But that's a different argument then you seem to be making.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yes.

Trade targets: Horvat & Kyrou

UFA targets: Bennet & Ehlers

Kyrou is soft as butter, thats not what we need. We need size, power, truculence, massive balls.

The only soft winger I want is Marner, because he comes for free, hes excellent defensively and he comes with 100 points attached.

 

[sampollock]

Fig Town isn't all-powerful.

It can't put the turtling in the turtler.

It just isn't in Marner's playbook to tank hits to make plays, even in the playoffs.

And that's a sign of softness and lack of guts that will continue to give Marner a bad reputation around the league for as long as he doesn't change his gutless play when it matters.

Oh, and Marner did duck hits at the 4 Nations too. He hasn't changed at all from last year, and the year before, and the year before, and the year before...

and nostrils?

 

[Miller Time]

They already have Fedotov, Ersson, Kolosov and Bjarnason signed for next year. I don't see it unless they give up on Fedotov or Ersson and do not sign a vet goalie this summer.

Fair. Depends on their internal assessment of Ersson & Fedotov... Both of whom performed poorly.

I don't doubt for a second that they would bury either one if they feel they can improve the position. They may well target a more known asset, like Gibson, but if they like what their scouts say about Primeau, a late pick to bring him in to compete and push the mediocre incumbents makes a lot of sense.

 

[JadedRandom]

It's not in Lane Hutson's playbook to tank hits either, especially when he can duck them.

Now there's certainly an argument that you can't have too many players of that type, and that very well might be the case for us given we also have Caufield in the top-6. But that's a different argument then you seem to be making.

Except Hutson will have to tank those no matter how he feels in the playoffs.

In the post-season, people finish their checks, period.

And sometimes, no matter how smart and elusive you are, you can't help but be caught within that "legal hit" half-a-second as a defenseman where you managed to get the puck out but the opposing forechecker can still smash you on the boards without taking a penalty (something which he is expected to do given that it's the playoffs).

So yeah, Hutson will surely try and find ways to get the puck out and bypass that half-a-second where hitting him is legitimate and no penalty for the opposing team. But he'll need to resolve himself to get hit and make plays sometimes if Hutson wants to win.

In the event that Hutson ducks hits by shying-away from engaging the opponent on the boards in the same manner as Marner in the playoffs against Washington, well, that will ultimately mean that he's a similar type of "soft" player as Marner when it counts.

But given what I've seen so far of Hutson I don't think things will play out in that fashion for him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Except Hutson will have to tank those no matter how he feels in the playoffs.

In the post-season, people finish their checks, period.

And sometimes, no matter how smart and elusive you are, you can't help but be caught within that "legal hit" half-a-second as a defenseman where you managed to get the puck out but the opposing forechecker can still smash you on the boards without taking a penalty (something which he is expected to do given that it's the playoffs).

So yeah, Hutson will surely try and find ways to get the puck out and bypass that half-a-second where hitting him is legitimate and no penalty for the opposing team. But he'll need to resolve himself to get hit and make plays sometimes if Hutson wants to win.

In the event that Hutson ducks hits by shying-away from engaging the opponent on the boards in the same manner as Marner in the playoffs against Washington, well, that will ultimately mean that he's a similar type of "soft" player as Marner when it counts.

But given what I've seen so far of Hutson I don't think things will play out in that fashion for him.

They already try to hit him well after legal time to hit, he's a targeted player. He really gets rid of the puck so fast that he then can avoid the hit.

I'm not worried about him at all. I've been watching for this all year.

 

[Sorinth]

Except Hutson will have to tank those no matter how he feels in the playoffs.

In the post-season, people finish their checks, period.

And sometimes, no matter how smart and elusive you are, you can't help but be caught within that "legal hit" half-a-second as a defenseman where you managed to get the puck out but the opposing forechecker can still smash you on the boards without taking a penalty (something which he is expected to do given that it's the playoffs).

So yeah, Hutson will surely try and find ways to get the puck out and bypass that half-a-second where hitting him is legitimate and no penalty for the opposing team. But he'll need to resolve himself to get hit and make plays sometimes if Hutson wants to win.

In the event that Hutson ducks hits by shying-away from engaging the opponent on the boards in the same manner as Marner in the playoffs against Washington, well, that will ultimately mean that he's a similar type of "soft" player as Marner when it counts.

But given what I've seen so far of Hutson I don't think things will play out in that fashion for him.

There's no "except" that's true for every player, including Marner. And at the end of the day Marner has produced reasonably well in the playoffs, though he's for sure had bad a few bad playoff runs as well.

Now I don't think we should really pursue Marner because the money he's going to get won't be worth it, but it has nothing to do with the claim that he ducks/avoids getting hit instead of tanking those hits.

 

[JadedRandom]

There's no "except" that's true for every player, including Marner. And at the end of the day Marner has produced reasonably well in the playoffs, though he's for sure had bad a few bad playoff runs as well.

Now I don't think we should really pursue Marner because the money he's going to get won't be worth it, but it has nothing to do with the claim that he ducks/avoids getting hit instead of tanking those hits.

This is only the most egregious example in a long line of similar examples of Marner not being willing to endure a hit to make a play and retain possession.

Marner is a talented player, no matter the team he's on he'll be one of your best regular-season performers. Marner will also still manage to get you points in the playoffs, don't get me wrong.

But when the chips are all on the table and it's a "winner-takes-it-all" situation, where a single goal either way can decide between winning and losing a series, you NEED players that will subject themselves to duress to make plays, plain and simple.

And so far in his playoffs career, Marner hasn't been that type of player for the Leafs. At all.

Doesn't mean it can't change. Pavel Datsyuk also played with less intensity than fans would have liked in his first couple seasons with the Wings, and only ever shed the "playoff disappointment" label after having turned 28-29 years old.

Anyhow, long story short Marner is not leaving Toronto because of family/friends, extra sponsorship money available there, and the existence of the RCA that takes care of quite a bit of the tax advantage that some US markets have over Canada.

But even if he did leave Toronto, I don't think Marner would be the best acquisition for us given how he has, so far, been a good and solid player for the Leafs but failed to show intensity/guts in 8 straight playoffs with them.

And also that he'd most likely require $12.5M-$14M to sign, which goes agains the team culture and precedents Hughes is trying to implement, where players take less than market value to hopefully maximize talent on the roster and become/stay competitive for a long time.

 

[Sorinth]

This is only the most egregious example in a long line of similar examples of Marner not being willing to endure a hit to make a play and retain possession.

Marner is a talented player, no matter the team he's on he'll be one of your best regular-season performers. Marner will also still manage to get you points in the playoffs, don't get me wrong.

But when the chips are all on the table and it's a "winner-takes-it-all" situation, where a single goal either way can decide between winning and losing a series, you NEED players that will subject themselves to duress to make plays, plain and simple.

And so far in his playoffs career, Marner hasn't been that type of player for the Leafs. At all.

Doesn't mean it can't change. Pavel Datsyuk also played with less intensity than fans would have liked in his first couple seasons with the Wings, and only ever shed the "playoff disappointment" label after having turned 28-29 years old.

Anyhow, long story short Marner is not leaving Toronto because of family/friends, extra sponsorship money available there, and the existence of the RCA that takes care of quite a bit of the tax advantage that some US markets have over Canada.

But even if he did leave Toronto, I don't think Marner would be the best acquisition for us given how he has, so far, been a good and solid player for the Leafs but failed to show intensity/guts in 8 straight playoffs with them.

And also that he'd most likely require $12.5M-$14M to sign, which goes agains the team culture and precedents Hughes is trying to implement, where players take less than market value to hopefully maximize talent on the roster and become/stay competitive for a long time.

I'm pretty sure if I went through all of Hutson's games I could also find instances of him either giving away or almost giving away possession by trying to avoid a hit. And could probably do it with every NHL player too because it happens to everyone.

Hell I remember Boston getting on Komisarek's case for ducking hits when the puck was dumped in his corner. He could easily get to the puck first but instead chose to let the opponent get to the puck and then hammer them with a check himself.

 

[yianik]

I still don't believe he bolting. He's re-signing with Leafs

Ho obviously loves that team as he has been paid very well, but disrespected alot.

 

[expy]

We're definitely still 3-4 pieces away from being competitive. A 2C, a veteran backup goalie to 2nd Fowler, a solid defensive D at minimum.

 

[sampollock]

Gone
Savard
Matheson
Armia
To start with

 

[Big Trout]

The D core will need some serious tweaking going into next season

 

[Mrb1p]

We're definitely still 3-4 pieces away from being competitive. A 2C, a veteran backup goalie to 2nd Fowler, a solid defensive D at minimum.

A big speedy winger. Alex Tuch.

 

[The Great Weal]

I'm kind of expecting William Karlsson. He's had a bad injury riddled year and his cap hit isn't cheap.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

A big speedy winger. Alex Tuch.

a buffalo new york native. They aren't trading him

 

[absolute garbage]

The reason why I'm hesitant to spending a lot of assets//term/money for a 2C is because I'm fairly high on Hage and think he could be the long term solution. He's going to sign year from now and then 26-27 is his rookie year. If everything goes great, starting 27-28 he could be an impact center already.

So what I'd be looking for is a stop gap type addition for a couple of years, and looking at teams around the league, I think Calgary could be a great trading partner.

To me Calgary is in a prime position to blow it up for the upcoming McKenna and Dupont drafts. Whether they actually do it is another thing, but that would be the smart move. Calgary has that kind of center I was talking about, and they also have a lot of talent coming up on RD which would make some of the quality vets they currently have expendable (as they're going for the tank).

I'm talking of course about Kadri, and then either Weegar or Andersson. That would be a homerun type of deal for Montreal, filling a lot of needs. With Kadri there would need to be some retention I imagine (bringing the AAV to 5M or so).

So you would have a situation where Hage comes up and starts taking a bigger from Kadri while he transitions to a smaller one as he gets up there in age, still being a valuable vet contributor in bottom 6.

It just makes a lot of sense, and hey, maybe they'd like to get their pick back too.

 

[DAChampion]

If you assume that Demidov is the most important forward prospect in decades, and that Suzuki/Guhle/Caulfield are on sweetheart deals, then Hugo has no choice but to strike.

 

[waitin425]

Off season plan.....

Sign John Tavares for 7 million for 3 years.

Trade Patrik Laine to NYR for Alexis Lafreniere - why does NYR do it? Laine has one year left on contract and they can move on from Laf. He needs a change of pace.

Trade both 1sts for the best possible RD we can acquire. Rasmus Andersson would be ideal.

Purchase a giant cannon and shoot Matheson into the sun.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laf - Tavares - Demidov
Heinemen - Newhook - Dach
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Beck/Kapanen

Hutson - Andersson
Guhle - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

 

[absolute garbage]

Like imagine you replaced Matheson with either Weegar or Andersson, Dach with Kadri, and Laine with Marner. Kadri with Marner and Demidov as 2nd line. Would be a massive turnaround. If Reinbacher reaches his potential on top of that, and Hage replaces Kadri in few years, that's a permanent Cup contender lineup.

If you can't get Marner, could try to wait for Kaprizov the following summer. He might want to play with Demidov.

 

[sampollock]

What does Nashville have?
I bet they are wanting to get some picks?