HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[vokiel]

How much would it cost to get Tuch?

Might as well consider him not a valid target.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I will say this again, the Canadiens should go hard after Crosby. Three firsts and ask for permission to speak with him. Add him and this team will win a cup in the next couple of years. We could keep the first line as is and put Demidov with Crosby on line 1A/B with Laine. The D is already pretty set... we could win a cup as soon as next year.

Crosby’s 38. His play could fall off at any point. Im not giving up that many futures for him. It just seems to risky for 1 or maybe 2 good years. Not sure how he lines up with our contention years as well.

 

[Nevins]

Neither Dach or Newhook are 2nd line players and I think Utah would want a roster player and either Dach and Newhook would be my choice to go the other way, unless they ask for Gallagher or Anderson which is unlikely.

I would do Dach, Matheson, Beck and New Jersey 3rd for Hayton and Lamoureux.

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkosvky
Laine-Hayton-Demidov
Anderson-Newhook-Gallagher
Heineman-Evans-Kapanen/Roy

Hutson-Struble
Carrier-Guhle.
Reinbacher/Lamoureux-Xhekaj
Mailloux or Engstrom.

Utah should add, and we should also remove the third pick.
Dach is second/third line right winger, Matheson, a second-pair defenseman and QB, Beck, a good third-line center prospect + a third pick for Hayton, a possible second/third line center, and Lamoureux, a third-pair right-handed defenseman....

 

[The Great Weal]

Bruins a bottom 5 team and dead last in the conference. I'd ask nonstop to see if they'd be willing to trade McAvoy. We would offer a package better than most teams and I'm sure playing next to Hutson would be enticing for McAvoy.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Crosby’s 38. His play could fall off at any point. Im not giving up that many futures for him. It just seems to risky for 1 or maybe 2 good years. Not sure how he lines up with our contention years as well.

There's little reason to think he'll suddenly just drop off. Adding him does the following.

1. It opens up a window for a cup win. Probably a good three or four years.
2. It gives us a bridge until Hage gets here.
3. Crosby's influence on young players like Demidov, Slaf, Caufield and Reinbacher can't be underestimated.

We have an excess amount of picks/prospects. It's time to cash in on this. Giving up firsts isn't great but look at the stockpile of prospects we have. Hutson, RB, Slaf, Hage, Fowler, Demidov... these guys are 21 or younger. We have tons of other good prospects to bring up/play/trade. Roy, Beck, Struble, X, Kapenen, Heineman, Engstrom, Mailloux... And then we've got guys like Savard and Matheson we can trade for more picks.

The hard work is done. We've collected a whack of really good prospects. We keep the best of them and we deal the rest. We can afford to give up those three picks. We're at the next stage of the rebuild, it's time to start making the playoffs and building on what we have. Crosby would do so much for us and there's a really good chance we could win a cup in the next few years.

Imagine this lineup:

CC Suzuki Slaf
Dd Crosby Laine
Heineman Evans Beck
Anderson Newhook Gallagher

Hutson RB
Guhle Carrier
Xehjac ?

That's a really good team man. You have lines 1A and 1B. I'm not even sure which one would be better. Imagine the PP.

 

[Runner77]

 

[Runner77]

 

[Scriptor]

There's little reason to think he'll suddenly just drop off. Adding him does the following.

1. It opens up a window for a cup win. Probably a good three or four years.
2. It gives us a bridge until Hage gets here.
3. Crosby's influence on young players like Demidov, Slaf, Caufield and Reinbacher can't be underestimated.

We have an excess amount of picks/prospects. It's time to cash in on this. Giving up firsts isn't great but look at the stockpile of prospects we have. Hutson, RB, Slaf, Hage, Fowler, Demidov... these guys are 21 or younger. We have tons of other good prospects to bring up/play/trade. Roy, Beck, Struble, X, Kapenen, Heineman, Engstrom, Mailloux... And then we've got guys like Savard and Matheson we can trade for more picks.

The hard work is done. We've collected a whack of really good prospects. We keep the best of them and we deal the rest. We can afford to give up those three picks. We're at the next stage of the rebuild, it's time to start making the playoffs and building on what we have. Crosby would do so much for us and there's a really good chance we could win a cup in the next few years.

Imagine this lineup:

CC Suzuki Slaf
Dd Crosby Laine
Heineman Evans Beck
Anderson Newhook Gallagher

Hutson RB
Guhle Carrier
Xehjac ?

That's a really good team man. You have lines 1A and 1B. I'm not even sure which one would be better. Imagine the PP.

That's the team you have while Crosby is useful on the ice, then you take a step down with Hage learning the ropes and you need replacements for Evans, Anderson and Gallagher.

Who steps up?

Losing all those 1st rounders for a stop-gap, even if it is Crosby, will remove quality candidates to replace players internally and likely force Hughes to overpay for UFAs to fill supporting cast roles.

Too risky, IMO.

I'd rather overpay money and term for Duchene whois a good skater and will age well.

7.875M X 4 for Duchene. Front load it and pay mainly in bonus money.

That should be long enough to wait out Hage's arrival (Probably plays 3rd line C in the last year of Duchene's contract) and we would have the first rounders ton shore up the talented depth pieces.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That's the team you have while Crosby is useful on the ice, then you take a step down with Hage learning the ropes and you need replacements for Evans, Anderson and Gallagher.

Evans doesn't need replacing. Anderson and Gallagher aren't hard to replace. They're 4th liners at this point.

Who steps up?

Losing all those 1st rounders for a stop-gap, even if it is Crosby, will remove quality candidates to replace players internally and likely force Hughes to overpay for UFAs to fill supporting cast roles.

Again, the core group is almost all under 25. Hutson, RB, Demidov and Slaf are 21 or younger. We've got a really long window.

Too risky, IMO.

I'd rather overpay money and term for Duchene whois a good skater and will age well.

7.875M X 4 for Duchene. Front load it and pay mainly in bonus money.

That should be long enough to wait out Hage's arrival (Probably plays 3rd line C in the last year of Duchene's contract) and we would have the first rounders ton shore up the talented depth pieces.

The goal is the cup. You want to give yourself the best chance. Does Crosby put us in a position to win? I think he does. Does Duchene? I don't think so. I don’t think he’s a bad choice and it’s probably more realistic that we can get him… but he’s not Crosby. I think Crosby makes us immediate contenders.

Those three firsts will take time to develop. We could wait it out and build... that's fine. But if we cash them in then we can start trying to win pretty much immediately. And again, we have so much else to trade with. We could even trade say... Matheson for a first to replace the one we give away.

 

[No More Subban]

That's the team you have while Crosby is useful on the ice, then you take a step down with Hage learning the ropes and you need replacements for Evans, Anderson and Gallagher.

Who steps up?

Losing all those 1st rounders for a stop-gap, even if it is Crosby, will remove quality candidates to replace players internally and likely force Hughes to overpay for UFAs to fill supporting cast roles.

Too risky, IMO.

I'd rather overpay money and term for Duchene whois a good skater and will age well.

7.875M X 4 for Duchene. Front load it and pay mainly in bonus money.

That should be long enough to wait out Hage's arrival (Probably plays 3rd line C in the last year of Duchene's contract) and we would have the first rounders ton shore up the talented depth pieces.

Duchene is definitely my number one target this summer. I'm not sold on Bennett to play with Demidov/Laine. Unfortunately, Dallas will have plenty of cap space to resign Duchene. Just gotta hope that he chooses us.

 

[Kimota]

I wonder if HuGo are regretting not getting some players at the TDL for a playoff run? Even one middle of the road player for the second line would have helped.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

so interested what KH does to get a 2C

Really?

You rarely mention it

 

[Paradoxe]

Ok,

Well, we all know that we need a top 4 RHD, a third-line center, and a second-line center. So let's see 1 option for all of them :

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Laine - Horvat - Demidov
Newhook - Sissons - Anderson
Heineman - Evans - Gallagher
?

Hutson - Cernak
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Carrier
Xhekaj - ?

So what do we do with Mailloux, Matheson, Dach, etc? Are Cernak, Sissons, and Horvat the best options?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Ok,

Well, we all know that we need a top 4 RHD, a third-line center, and a second-line center. So let's see 1 option for all of them :

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Laine - Horvat - Demidov
Newhook - Sissons - Anderson
Heineman - Evans - Gallagher
?

Hutson - Cernak
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble - Carrier
Xhekaj - ?

So what do we do with Mailloux, Matheson, Dach, etc? Are Cernak, Sissons, and Horvat the best options?

Cernak would be great, but no way Tampa trades him.

By the time Tampa goes to dump him it will be in a few years and he will be closer to Savard than what he is now.

 

[Paradoxe]

Cernak would be great, but no way Tampa trades him.

By the time Tampa goes to dump him it will be in a few years and he will be closer to Savard than what he is now.

So the Habs would need to make an overpayment to pry him out of Tampa?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So the Habs would need to make an overpayment to pry him out of Tampa?

Yeah as Tampa is still competing.

It wouldn't be an overpay to beat out other teams.

It's an overpay where Tampa thinks they're a better team, so you're improving their team.

 

[Paradoxe]

Yeah as Tampa is still competing.

It wouldn't be an overpay to beat out other teams.

It's an overpay where Tampa thinks they're a better team, so you're improving their team.

what would such overpayment look to you?

 

[Egresch]

what would such overpayment look to you?

Cernak is one of top 10 defensive D in the league on a great contract. They are not trading him unless you offer Hutson, Suzuki, Slaf or Demidov.
This year + 2 more is their contending window. They are done after that, so we can get him in summer 2027.

 

[hvac412]

I wonder if HuGo are regretting not getting some players at the TDL for a playoff run? Even one middle of the road player for the second line would have helped.

not sure,does anyone think Monty can take us far if we make it ?

 

[expy]

not sure,does anyone think Monty can take us far if we make it ?

He won't but some people believe he can somehow.

I wonder if HuGo are regretting not getting some players at the TDL for a playoff run? Even one middle of the road player for the second line would have helped.

Naw. Stick to the plan, Fowler's on his way.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

One thing is for sure, Hutson is making the All Rookie team. Can you even think of another rookie D doing anything this year?

 

[salbutera]

I wonder if HuGo are regretting not getting some players at the TDL for a playoff run? Even one middle of the road player for the second line would have helped.

I suspect not one bit of regret… this is what they’ve always wanted - forcing growth in order to better gather information / evaluate the 53% young core of existing team

 

[Paradoxe]

Cernak is one of top 10 defensive D in the league on a great contract. They are not trading him unless you offer Hutson, Suzuki, Slaf or Demidov.
This year + 2 more is their contending window. They are done after that, so we can get him in summer 2027.

Are you not overstating here?

 

[Egresch]

Are you not overstating here?

He is +28 for a reason (9th in league amongst D), 150 hits, 95 blocks and he is rightie. With 5.2M AAV, his value for Tampa is enormous and he is part of the core which already won 2 cups. They will not trade him for Newhook + 2025 1st.

 

[Saundies]

Crosby’s 38. His play could fall off at any point. Im not giving up that many futures for him. It just seems to risky for 1 or maybe 2 good years. Not sure how he lines up with our contention years as well.

Crosby is a freak. This isn't going to be a Wayne string bean Gretzky getting 9 goals in his last year situation. Crosby's a workout beast and will still probably hit 90 points this year at 38.

Even if his 'fall off' is 60+70 when he's getting older, his experience/aura/insane work ethic will rub off on these guys. He's also good defensively too and would slide into that role seamlessly. His acquisition would undoubtably make Montreal a more attractive destination for UFAs.

The core of our team is pretty much decided. Look at the contracts we've signed.

Entire First Line
Demidov
Hutson/Guhle/Reinbacher
Fowler

Any other 'futures' you're giving up are 2-3-4 years away from being rookies in the NHL, 5-7 away from having any real impact and turning into core guys themselves.

I would give up anyone/any pick/any package of those that aren't mentioned in the above block for Crosby in a nanosecond.