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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

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Kudo Shinichi said:
I fail to see how a 30 year old player signed to a huge contract would be the right fit for a team who has yet to enter their cup contending window. That contract could very well become an albatross when the habs are a contending team.
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Horvats of the world, that's the player archetype. But there's also very little chance if they went in that direction that it'd be an albatross. He easily slides into a bottom 6 role (vs a Zegras who brings no value outside a forcefed cupcake top 6 usage) when he gets older and the cap going up will make his contract palatable in a bottom 6 role.
 
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Sorinth said:
I don't want Zegras but I'm not sure I buy the idea that we need a 2C that leans defence. With Suzuki and our bottom-6 it just doesn't seem like it would be the biggest need. Like sure we don't want a defensive disaster but a top offensive guy with an average defensive game would be a good fit.
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A prime couturier type or a plekanec would be perfect. They don't need a heavy offensive leaning 2C with Demidov, they need a 2C that can take the burden off of him and let him be a complete offensive dynamo.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Horvats of the world, that's the player archetype. But there's also very little chance if they went in that direction that it'd be an albatross. He easily slides into a bottom 6 role (vs a Zegras who brings no value outside a forcefed cupcake top 6 usage) when he gets older and the cap going up will make his contract palatable in a bottom 6 role.
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Horvat, Bennett and Kadri would be perfect fits play style wise.

Would NYI be willing to trade Horvat ? Seems like they still have playoff aspirations and they'll likely have everyone healthy + DeAngelo next year.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
A prime couturier type or a plekanec would be perfect. They don't need a heavy offensive leaning 2C with Demidov, they need a 2C that can take the burden off of him and let him be a complete offensive dynamo.
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But why would a Plekanec type be better then a PPG who is average defensively?
 
Andrei79 said:
Horvat, Bennett and Kadri would be perfect fits play style wise.

Would NYI be willing to trade Horvat ? Seems like they still have playoff aspirations and they'll likely have everyone healthy + DeAngelo next year.
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I only see 2 teams with some centers that might want to blow it up and get more of what the Habs have, which is future and picks.

Boston and Pittsburgh.

I don't see either the Flames or NYI trading those guys unless they get NHLer back.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Horvats of the world, that's the player archetype. But there's also very little chance if they went in that direction that it'd be an albatross. He easily slides into a bottom 6 role (vs a Zegras who brings no value outside a forcefed cupcake top 6 usage) when he gets older and the cap going up will make his contract palatable in a bottom 6 role.
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Based on trade rumors, I don't think there is a young player of Horvat's archetype available. Even if there was one available, I'm sure a lot of people on this board would find reasons not to want him (see Dubois).

8.5 M in the bottom 6 is an albatross even with the cap rising. It would be worse than Gallagher's 6.5 M considering that Horvat's contract will last during the habs contending window whereas Gally's contract lasted mostly during the habs rebuilding period.

Zegras could easily be traded if it doesn't work out. That's unlikely to be the case with Horvat.
 
BLONG7 said:
I am not a fan of giving away 1st round picks, but this deal is for # 87..................I would do it for a couple of years of Crosby.
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Adding Sid would be awesome, no question. However imo, we are not just a Sid the Kid away from being a legitimate cup contender. With losing three 1st round pick, we lose a lot of currency to fill other holes that will need to be filled in order to become one. Again, that's just my take on it.

Quick additional note.....Sid isn't going anywhere anyways unless it's for an immediate cup run next season. That is even very much in question.
 
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le_sean said:
At some point the onus falls on the players. Guys like McTavish and Terry have no problem producing. Vatrano too.

Should they have more points? Yeah maybe, but we are talking about a player that is at a 0.5 PPG clip. He’s in that category like Newhook - what else do you bring? You don’t kill penalties, you’re terrible defensively, you never hit, you suck at faceoffs (are you even a centre?). So now that he isn’t producing, why would you acquire such a player?
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To be honest Zegras is scoring at a similar enough pace as those guys, he's just missed games due to injury which honestly would explain a discrepancy of .2 points per game.
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
Based on trade rumors, I don't think there is a young player of Horvat's archetype available. Even if there was one available, I'm sure a lot of people on this board would find reasons not to want him (see Dubois).

8.5 M in the bottom 6 is an albatross even with the cap rising. It would be worse than Gallagher's 6.5 M considering that Horvat's contract will last during the habs contending window whereas Gally's contract lasted mostly during the habs rebuilding period.

Zegras could easily be traded if it doesn't work out. That's unlikely to be the case with Horvat.
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Zegras sucks tho. Why are we wasting our time with a small, soft, offense only, likely winger. Been there done that with Drouin.
 
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Sorinth said:
But why would a Plekanec type be better then a PPG who is average defensively?
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Because the line would be weak defensively and Demidov would need to play way more tethered defensively if he had to compensate for a center like that.

A Plekanec type enables Demidov to be way more unleashed offensively and will turn defensive possessions into offensive possessions vs spending most of their shift defending and trying to get the puck back.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Because the line would be weak defensively and Demidov would need to play way more tethered defensively if he had to compensate for a center like that.

A Plekanec type enables Demidov to be way more unleashed offensively and will turn defensive possessions into offensive possessions vs spending most of their shift defending and trying to get the puck back.
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I don't buy that, there have been plenty of lines in the NHL that have had lots of success without a player with Plekanec's level of defensive.
 
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