HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[themilosh]

Not high on Carlsson and he may be a glass body. #2 means nothing. He shouldn't have gone there. Fantilli should have and he is worth what you are offering.

hey I get it, but Guhle is Glass Joe and while he is a legit top 4 LHD, that position is is way easier to fill than Centre (even a 2C). Carlsson could easily become a 1Cb in a few years.. and is still on ELC..

if we are looking for a 2C (tops) then Buffalo should be a partner - they gotta try something.

id look to target Krebs or preferably Kulich (both having bad years)

 

[themilosh]

I like the idea of Demidov at C.

if Demidov becomes a C it wont be for 2-3 years.... he's going to need to be eased in on the wing.

 

[rahad]

if Demidov becomes a C it wont be for 2-3 years.... he's going to need to be eased in on the wing.

I feel like we will need to trade or sign a 2C. Any player drafted this year will take 2-3 years to be our 2C.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

hey I get it, but Guhle is Glass Joe and while he is a legit top 4 LHD, that position is is way easier to fill than Centre (even a 2C). Carlsson could easily become a 1Cb in a few years.. and is still on ELC..

if we are looking for a 2C (tops) then Buffalo should be a partner - they gotta try something.

id look to target Krebs or preferably Kulich (both having bad years)
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Krebs is a good 2C target...for Laval

 

[Andrei79]

hey I get it, but Guhle is Glass Joe and while he is a legit top 4 LHD, that position is is way easier to fill than Centre (even a 2C). Carlsson could easily become a 1Cb in a few years.. and is still on ELC..

if we are looking for a 2C (tops) then Buffalo should be a partner - they gotta try something.

id look to target Krebs or preferably Kulich (both having bad years)
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Buffalo won't be trading a 20 year old who already made the team and Krebs is barely a bottom liner, nevermind a 2C.

 

[Runner77]

I would take a Bennett or a Kadri over anyone. Just the perfect kind of players for what this team is trying to do. They could also agitate to their hearts content as they'd have Struble, Xhekaj and Anderson behind them. The issue for Bennett is he'll have the pick of the litter and Kadri is getting old, even if he's still very good.

Someone like Mercer is probably the kind of realistic option they'll manage to acquire.

Give me Bennett the free asset. Leaves you with your best ammo for a big trade.

 

[morhilane]

I'm expecting our bottom 6 to be this:

Andy-Evans-Gally
Newhook-Beck-Heiny

Dvorak, Armia and Pezz gone.

Roy is a possibility instead of Newhook on that 4th line as I can see one of the two included in a trade this off-season.

I think Armia might be staying. Hughes was asking for a big overpay at the deadline for him.

 

[themilosh]

Buffalo won't be trading a 20 year old who already made the team and Krebs is barely a bottom liner, nevermind a 2C.

atm the moment Krebs is a bottom line - but...... one must never discount how soul sucking life is on Buffalo... but I agree, Krebs wouldnt be worth it.. Kulich would be my target (on the cheap)...

 

[The Great Weal]

Honestly if those are the options I think I'd rather just roll the dice on Dach/Newhook or Demidov making the switch to C then paying the price to acquire those guys and still be in a situation where we are gambling on a project figuring things out.

I wouldn't blame Suzuki if he requests a trade if we try Dach/Newhook as the 2C again next year

 

[Sorinth]

I wouldn't blame Suzuki if he requests a trade if we try Dach/Newhook as the 2C again next year

And what he would be jumping for joy at the thought of Mercer and his 28 points this year and 33 last year?

 

[Runner77]

I wouldn't blame Suzuki if he requests a trade if we try Dach/Newhook as the 2C again next year

Is Newhook even a centre? We have Beck/ Kapanen as possible 3rd line centres, why is Newhook even needed? Any reason to hold on to Dach/ Newhook?

Agreed with you -- there is no internal solution to the 2C vacancy.

I hope they don't re-sign Dvorak.

 

[The Great Weal]

And what he would be jumping for joy at the thought of Mercer and his 28 points this year and 33 last year?

I've been vocal about not wanting Mercer either. Hughes will get a proven 2C, no doubt about it. He flat-out said he's aware of needing to capitalize on having an elite 2way center. Not to mention that he listened to him at the deadline about keeping everyone. He's going to want to provide him with actual help instead of more maybes.

 

[ZUKI]

Good luck floating that on the main trade board...bring a helmet.

Seriously, you would offer both Suzuki and Caufield for Jordan Staal, and most of the other teams fans would be telling you that Habs don't give enough. There are a lot of fans from another country, where some people still believe that Earth is flat. Don't even try...

 

[The Great Weal]

Is Newhook even a centre? We have Beck/ Kapanen as possible 3rd line centres, why is Newhook even needed? Any reason to hold on to Dach/ Newhook?

Agreed with you -- there is no internal solution to the 2C vacancy.

I hope they don't re-sign Dvorak.

I also think it's premature to list Beck and Kapanen as guaranteed 3rd liners next year, I definitely wouldn't mind adding a 3C in addition (not Dvorak). I unfortunately don't think Dach has any value, and Newhook's value has definitely gone down since we got him.

 

[Sorinth]

I've been vocal about not wanting Mercer either. Hughes will get a proven 2C, no doubt about it. He flat-out said he's aware of needing to capitalize on having an elite 2way center. Not to mention that he listened to him at the deadline about keeping everyone. He's going to want to provide him with actual help instead of more maybes.

Lol did you even read my post before you commented on it? My whole point was that Mercer and Zegras for that matter are in the same boat as Dach/Newhook, projects that are huge question marks when pencilled in as #2 C.

 

[ZUKI]

Is Newhook even a centre? We have Beck/ Kapanen as possible 3rd line centres, why is Newhook even needed? Any reason to hold on to Dach/ Newhook?

Agreed with you -- there is no internal solution to the 2C vacancy.

I hope they don't re-sign Dvorak.

But...Dvorak's scored 2 goals lately. He deserves a long run's new contract, no ?
Newhook ...he's playing better lately, but to me, he will always be the superfast skater that freezes when it's time to go in the traffic.
Few days ago, i saw this picture and i was laughing and laughing; the perfect pic to describe Newhook

 

[The Great Weal]

Lol did you even read my post before you commented on it? My whole point was that Mercer and Zegras for that matter are in the same boat as Dach/Newhook, projects that are huge question marks when pencilled in as #2 C.

I'm aware, and my point is no matter what, Dach/Newhook/Mercer shouldn't be the 2C next year. Get an established one.

 

[McGees]

I think Armia might be staying. Hughes was asking for a big overpay at the deadline for him.

Thats just because he promised to keep all the best friends together, not because he is gonna resign him.
They are already overflowing with forwards next year when Demidov comes + the 2C they need to acquire, leaving no room for all those knocking on the door like Beck and Kapanen and Roy etc...No space for Joel.

 

[Sorinth]

I'm aware, and my point is no matter what, Dach/Newhook/Mercer shouldn't be the 2C next year. Get an established one.

So is it Demidov for Crosby because it's something we have to address "no matter what", or are there prices that we have to say no and hope for an internal solution?

 

[Sorinth]

Thats just because he promised to keep all the best friends together, not because he is gonna resign him.
They are already overflowing with forwards next year when Demidov comes + the 2C they need to acquire, leaving no room for all those knocking on the door like Beck and Kapanen and Roy etc...No space for Joel.

It's worth noting all 3 of Beck/Kapanen/Roy can easily benefit from more AHL time, and you generally need a 13th and 14th forward. For better or worse Armia has shown that he can handle being in and out of the lineup without complaints or sulking and contribute when he does get his chances. Having someone who can actually play hockey as the 13th forward is better then Pezzetta who the coaches simply doesn't trust and necesitates a callup for every injury.

 

[The Great Weal]

So is it Demidov for Crosby because it's something we have to address "no matter what", or are there prices that we have to say no and hope for an internal solution?

Yes that's exactly what I meant, let's give up Demidov for Crosby. I also want to do Caufield (50% retained), Slafkosvky (50% retained), Hutson, and Reinbacher for Evgeni Malkin too.

 

[DAChampion]

So is it Demidov for Crosby because it's something we have to address "no matter what", or are there prices that we have to say no and hope for an internal solution?

Your point is clear. If there are no good deals available, Hughes might as well roll the dice with internal solutions imperfect as they may be. Hughes should not drastically overpay.

 

[Sorinth]

Yes that's exactly what I meant, let's give up Demidov for Crosby. I also want to do Caufield (50% retained), Slafkosvky (50% retained), Hutson, and Reinbacher for Evgeni Malkin too.

So then what happens if the prices for the real solutions are too expensive? Do we try for a cheaper unproven solution like Mercer/Zegras or do we stick with internal solutions like Dach/Newhook/Demidov @ C?

 

[Bubba Gump]

I would take a Bennett or a Kadri over anyone. Just the perfect kind of players for what this team is trying to do. They could also agitate to their hearts content as they'd have Struble, Xhekaj and Anderson behind them. The issue for Bennett is he'll have the pick of the litter and Kadri is getting old, even if he's still very good.

Someone like Mercer is probably the kind of realistic option they'll manage to acquire.

Yes these two are definitely the top choices but doubt that either will be available to us. No reason for Calgary to move Kadri and Bennett is likely to sign in Florida. McCann or W. Karlsson would be good short term solutions. Newhook can play third line centre and he is looking good at centre now.

 

[Andrei79]

Yes these two are definitely the top choices but doubt that either will be available to us. No reason for Calgary to move Kadri and Bennett is likely to sign in Florida. McCann or W. Karlsson would be good short term solutions. Newhook can play third line centre and he is looking good at centre now.

I think you're right. Alsom @The Great Weal mentioned Karlsson as well and I agree with both you that he'd be an excellent stopgap. Good age, AAV and contract length. My dream scenario would be Lundell, but I don't see any chance of that happening either. Zito is too good of a GM.