HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Rob Sense]

We have at least 5 potential middle 6 centers under 24 years old in the system including 3 first rounders and 2 seconds. I don't think emptying the cupboard in a trade for a unicorn is a great idea as we still have many pieces to add. I think a FA is like Granlund or perhaps Gourde could be a transient solution until we see if someone emerges. We are begining to compete for PO and probably doing so again next year so there is always the next TDL to make a move. No rush or room for stupid decisions.

 

[salbutera]

We have at least 5 potential middle 6 centers under 24 years old in the system including 3 first rounders and 2 seconds. I don't think emptying the cupboard in a trade for a unicorn is a great idea as we still have many pieces to add. I think a FA is like Granlund or perhaps Gourde could be a transient solution until we see if someone emerges. We are begining to compete for PO and probably doing so again next year so there is always the next TDL to make a move. No rush or room for stupid decisions.

Like what other than 2C?

- Redenbacher will solidify top-4D out of training camp
- same.. Demigod will solidify 2nd line
- Fowler will be starting G within 12-months

 

[Rob Sense]

Like what other than 2C?

- Redenbacher will solidify top-4D out of training camp
- same.. Demigod will solidify 2nd line
- Fowler will be starting G within 12-months

Injuries...upgrades...

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

Newhook mistake? Were you expecting the moon?

We got a guy we are paying $2.9M for four years. That is a third line player.

He is a former 16OA that is better than 16th from his draft year. We gave up aq 31st and 37th OA whose combined value is lower than a 16OA.

So we didn't overpay to acquire Newhook, and we didn't overpay in salary (unlike Shaw, Drouin and Anderson in the past). I don't see a mistake.

We got Dach for Romanov, a 3rd and a 4th. Affordable salary for a potential 2nd liner. Take a look at what other players around the league get. Injuries don't mean that the scouts were deficient in his case.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I’m watching every NHL roster and I really dont see which under 26yo center can be available for what we have to give. The only guy to me that can be interesting for them is Reinbacher and I don’t see Hughes dealing him. His value didnt go up in the last few years. IMO we should go the ufa route and take a vet for 2-3years, just waive him if he sucks in 4-5years. I know Hughes told the media he don’t want to be a drunken sailor in the ufa, but overpaying one vet is not the end of the world.

Agreed, especially because you are not giving up assets to get the player. It's not like giving up Sergachev in order to overpay Drouin.

 

[vokiel]

I said +. Dach is not garbage. It's just that we need a real center. You put up a package WITH him.

But the only way that Lou trade Horvat is if he doesn't want to pay his salary anymore.

#1 Dach is not even guaranteed to be at camp.
#2 Lou said many times he doesn't believe in rebuilds.
#3 He's not the one paying his salary, and his club is not in cap hell.
#4 Why would he want to get rid of a perfectly competent center?

 

[waitin425]

Matt Duchene is currently making 3 million per season in Dallas. He will be 34 in the off-season and a UFA.

This is his last 4 seasons stat lines.

78 GP - 43G-43A = 86P
71 GP - 33G-34A = 56P
80 GP - 25G-40A = 65P
67 GP - 26G-42A = 68P

He is PPG this year.

What do you guys think about a 3 year contract at 7 million for Duchene to entice him out of Dallas? It'll take us to the end of Demidov's ELC and Hage should have fully arrived by then to take his place. A veteran presence as the 2nd line centre would be excellent for Demidov and a calming influence on Laine.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Armia

 

[Sterling Archer]

Matt Duchene is currently making 3 million per season in Dallas. He will be 34 in the off-season and a UFA.

This is his last 4 seasons stat lines.

78 GP - 43G-43A = 86P
71 GP - 33G-34A = 56P
80 GP - 25G-40A = 65P
67 GP - 26G-42A = 68P

He is PPG this year.

What do you guys think about a 3 year contract at 7 million for Duchene to entice him out of Dallas? It'll take us to the end of Demidov's ELC and Hage should have fully arrived by then to take his place. A veteran presence as the 2nd line centre would be excellent for Demidov and a calming influence on Laine.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Armia

Computer says no...

 

[Deebs]

#1 Dach is not even guaranteed to be at camp.

What was announced.....I missed it

 

[Doublechin]

Matt Duchene is currently making 3 million per season in Dallas. He will be 34 in the off-season and a UFA.

This is his last 4 seasons stat lines.

78 GP - 43G-43A = 86P
71 GP - 33G-34A = 56P
80 GP - 25G-40A = 65P
67 GP - 26G-42A = 68P

He is PPG this year.

What do you guys think about a 3 year contract at 7 million for Duchene to entice him out of Dallas? It'll take us to the end of Demidov's ELC and Hage should have fully arrived by then to take his place. A veteran presence as the 2nd line centre would be excellent for Demidov and a calming influence on Laine.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Armia

I'd expect him to ask for 5, perhaps settle for 4/7.75

My issue with Duchene is that through out his career, we've seen him mail it in, I fear that knowing this is his last deal, that he does exactly that

 

[ML16]

Rebuid is over but our two top prospect dont even play in the nhl…lmfao ok

The poster likely referred to the « assets gathering » phase of the rebuild.

As last TDL showed, Habs no longer consider themselves « pure sellers » and thus entered a new phase of the rebuild, which I would call the « assets’ assessment and consolidation » phase.

From now on, their new impetus is two-fold: 1) assessing existing assets to identify core-worthy players and 2) seeking « quality over quantity » to complete the contending core.

Regarding assessment, Habs have a plethora of probable NHL-caliber draftees and separating core-material players from trade-baits will be crucial to sustainably open a contending window.

Regarding quality acquisitions, considering the UFA market doesn’t seem like Hughes’ cup of tea (rightly so), it’ll inextricably linked to trade-baits and leveraging draft capital.

Habs have in that regard plenty of both, so acquiring a 2C this offseason to take Demidov’s under his wing seems self-evident; they should even have enough for a top-4 RHD is they want to be more aggressive.

 

[waitin425]

I'd expect him to ask for 5, perhaps settle for 4/7.75

My issue with Duchene is that through out his career, we've seen him mail it in, I fear that knowing this is his last deal, that he does exactly that

I'd probably do the 4/7.75 to be honest. Other than cap space it costs us nothing.

We can fit that hit under our cap. The only question would be is it the wisest use of cap space given Duchene's propensity to "mail it in" and will he start to decline in the coming years.

If he can put up 60+ points for the next 2 of those 4 years, before being shifted to 3rd line centre behind Hage....that would be a win IMO.

 

[LaP]

I'd probably do the 4/7.75 to be honest. Other than cap space it costs us nothing.

We can fit that hit under our cap. The only question would be is it the wisest use of cap space given Duchene's propensity to "mail it in" and will he start to decline in the coming years.

If he can put up 60+ points for the next 2 of those 4 years, before being shifted to 3rd line centre behind Hage....that would be a win IMO.

You also shouls get your calculator out cause you'll have to extend Hutson, Demidov, Montembeault and Matheson before that contract ends. If you are stuck in a position where you must get rid of him to extend those guys it will cost you minimum a 1st. 4 years is too long for a player his age.

 

[Nevins]

Did you write that or is it a quote?

I don't think we will see the big contract UFA. Hughes said in recent interview he doesn't believe in what most teams do when window opens up. Most GMs overpay when a star comes on the market knowing year 6-7-8 going to be bad contract. Deal with it then. But they get run at 5 cup years now. Sounds like the Bennetts not going to be his way.

If he dips into UFA it's going to be the 30 something on short term deal. The young NHLer Hughes doesn't seem to be good judge of talent.

I wrote it

 

[waitin425]

You also shouls get your calculator out cause you'll have to extend Hutson, Demidov, Montembeault and Matheson before that contract ends. If you are stuck in a position where you must get rid of him to extend those guys it will cost you minimum a 1st. 4 years is too long for a player his age.

We drop Gally and Anderson by that time and Laine will surely have to take a pay cut from his current salary.

Hutson and Demidov are unknowns at this point in terms of what their demands will be. Hutson could go long term 8 years.....at which point I expect itll be something approaching 10. If he goes the shorter term and we are buying less UFA years....itll be more cost controlled.

Demidov.....who the hell knows...but let's assume it's in the 10 range as well. I've projected a few contracts in 3 years time when we will need to re-sign Demidov. Roster will likely be completely different.

Slaf (7.6) - Suzuki (7.875) - Caufield (7.85)
Laine (7) - Duchene (7.75) - Demidov (10)
Heinemen (2.2) - Dach (4) - Newhook (4)
F Xhekaj (1.3) - Evans (2.85) - Hage (950K)

Hutson (10) - Reinbacher (6)
Guhle (5.5) - UF RD (6)
A Xhekaj (2.5) - Carrier (4)

Monty - (6.5)
Fowler - (950)

Total = 104.825 million

By 2027 the Cap is projected to rise to 113.5 million. It could potentially climb by 2028 as well, but even if it doesn't, this type of team makeup gives us plenty of room to fill out a 23 man roster. It gives us a ton of flexibility to pay some players more...or perhaps less.

Verdict - 7.75 is doable. Wouldn't go beyond 4 years though - as we start to creep into the years Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield et al will need raises.

 

[salbutera]

Matt Duchene is currently making 3 million per season in Dallas. He will be 34 in the off-season and a UFA.

This is his last 4 seasons stat lines.

78 GP - 43G-43A = 86P
71 GP - 33G-34A = 56P
80 GP - 25G-40A = 65P
67 GP - 26G-42A = 68P

He is PPG this year.

What do you guys think about a 3 year contract at 7 million for Duchene to entice him out of Dallas? It'll take us to the end of Demidov's ELC and Hage should have fully arrived by then to take his place. A veteran presence as the 2nd line centre would be excellent for Demidov and a calming influence on Laine.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Armia

I’d be shocked if Duchene, who makes his off-season home in Nashville, having built a state of the art recording studio in his farm house being a huge country music guy comes to Mtl

 

[Benstheman]

Matt Duchene is currently making 3 million per season in Dallas. He will be 34 in the off-season and a UFA.

This is his last 4 seasons stat lines.

78 GP - 43G-43A = 86P
71 GP - 33G-34A = 56P
80 GP - 25G-40A = 65P
67 GP - 26G-42A = 68P

He is PPG this year.

What do you guys think about a 3 year contract at 7 million for Duchene to entice him out of Dallas? It'll take us to the end of Demidov's ELC and Hage should have fully arrived by then to take his place. A veteran presence as the 2nd line centre would be excellent for Demidov and a calming influence on Laine.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Duchene - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Armia

I would love Duchene. Good experience. Great on the dot. And still can produce like an above-average top 6 C. Sign me in.

 

[Benstheman]

You also shouls get your calculator out cause you'll have to extend Hutson, Demidov, Montembeault and Matheson before that contract ends. If you are stuck in a position where you must get rid of him to extend those guys it will cost you minimum a 1st. 4 years is too long for a player his age.

I did and there is absolutely no problem signing him to that contract. Hell we could sign him 7 years to a 10 M$ and there would be absolutely no problem cap wise. But it's not because we easily can do it that we should do it. 4 years for Duchene is 1 year too much for me.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You also shouls get your calculator out cause you'll have to extend Hutson, Demidov, Montembeault and Matheson before that contract ends. If you are stuck in a position where you must get rid of him to extend those guys it will cost you minimum a 1st. 4 years is too long for a player his age.

I highly doubt Matheson gets re-signed, especially with both Reinbacher and Engstrom coming up soon. In between Dvo, Armia, Savard, Price, Laine, Matheson, Gally, Anderson and salary retentions, we have ~51 mil coming off the books in the next 28 months. Add the 25 mil of cap raise in the same span, and we won't have to worry about the cap for several years, even with Hutson and Demi taking up 20 mil per in cap space. Monty won't get a big pay raise. If he wants that, he'll find it elsewhere and Dobes will take his place, and eventually Fowler will take up the other spot left by Dobes.

 

[Sterling Archer]

We drop Gally and Anderson by that time and Laine will surely have to take a pay cut from his current salary.

Hutson and Demidov are unknowns at this point in terms of what their demands will be. Hutson could go long term 8 years.....at which point I expect itll be something approaching 10. If he goes the shorter term and we are buying less UFA years....itll be more cost controlled.

Demidov.....who the hell knows...but let's assume it's in the 10 range as well. I've projected a few contracts in 3 years time when we will need to re-sign Demidov. Roster will likely be completely different.

Slaf (7.6) - Suzuki (7.875) - Caufield (7.85)
Laine (7) - Duchene (7.75) - Demidov (10)
Heinemen (2.2) - Dach (4) - Newhook (4)
F Xhekaj (1.3) - Evans (2.85) - Hage (950K)

Hutson (10) - Reinbacher (6)
Guhle (5.5) - UF RD (6)
A Xhekaj (2.5) - Carrier (4)

Monty - (6.5)
Fowler - (950)

Total = 104.825 million

By 2027 the Cap is projected to rise to 113.5 million. It could potentially climb by 2028 as well, but even if it doesn't, this type of team makeup gives us plenty of room to fill out a 23 man roster. It gives us a ton of flexibility to pay some players more...or perhaps less.

Verdict - 7.75 is doable. Wouldn't go beyond 4 years though - as we start to creep into the years Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield et al will need raises.

You doubt Hughes power of negotiations. I think a lot of fans will be very surprised with the number Hutson ends up with in that it'll be a lot lower than some anticipate it will be. This has been consistent with players contracts and don't forget the power of friendship and players taking less to be here

 

[Egresch]

You doubt Hughes power of negotiations. I think a lot of fans will be very surprised with the number Hutson ends up with in that it'll be a lot lower than some anticipate it will be. This has been consistent with players contracts and don't forget the power of friendship and players taking less to be here

I totally agree, he would not go above 9M for sure.

 

[sampollock]

whatever name comes in as the 2C
this server will be down for weeks... the smoke will be seen in space

 

[eaglelarry]

Seattle appears to be a good trading partner for the Habs

Strong organizational center ice depth and high pick likely in this years draft

If Matty b is off the table perhaps Hugo takes a different approach and

Signs a veteran bridge center like duschene

At 3 years 3.3m per plus a 10m signing bonus

And a veteran defenseman to replace Savard

And trades

Kaiden Ghule plus for seattles first pick assuming one of the 3 high end centers are available with the Seattle pick

Continue with draft and develop
Overpay for short bridge contracts

 

[sampollock]

OK with this fire power next year
Nick
CC
Demi
Hudson
Slaf
PL ( he is a difference maker, 4 game winning goals on a shortened year)
2C ?????

this team will be a stronger force for sure and yes a playoff team

need that good 2C to keep PL and Demi with tons of chances.
the PP will be A1

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Seattle appears to be a good trading partner for the Habs

Strong organizational center ice depth and high pick likely in this years draft

If Matty b is off the table perhaps Hugo takes a different approach and

Signs a veteran bridge center like duschene

At 3 years 3.3m per plus a 10m signing bonus

And a veteran defenseman to replace Savard

And trades

Kaiden Ghule plus for seattles first pick assuming one of the 3 high end centers are available with the Seattle pick

Continue with draft and develop
Overpay for short bridge contracts

Just because teams have C depth, doesn't mean they want to trade them. Teams don't trade High pick either.