HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[DrBizz4r3]

Good luck finding a 25-26 years old that is an actual 2nd line center or top 4 RHD and is available.

Dobson fits the 25 years old top 4 RHD with a team saying there will be change… Hugues use Dobson to compare Reinbacher at draft day. (Seems to like the profile). I was more in tune with a parayko type, but a 2nd offensive Dman if Hutson gets injured. Matheson could be in exchange with prospects. Didn’t hurt that much Islanders, save bucks and gets prospects

 

[Nevins]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Good luck finding a 25-26 years old that is an actual 2nd line center or top 4 RHD and is available.

Would not shock me if they trade Reinbacher and Hage with their first round picks to go acquire some studs. Also trading Matheson for some assets too. I really think they get bold this offseason.

 

[TomKosto]

Dobson fits the 25 years old top 4 RHD with a team saying there will be change… Hugues use Dobson to compare Reinbacher at draft day. (Seems to like the profile). I was more in tune with a parayko type, but a 2nd offensive Dman if Hutson gets injured. Matheson could be in exchange with prospects. Didn’t hurt that much Islanders, save bucks and gets prospects

Are we willing to give Reinbacher and a first? Gonna be the cost for a Dobson.

 

[vokiel]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

The issue with the list is most of them are as unproven as Dach and Newhook were. Supposedly, the tactic is to trade picks and prospects for an established 2nd C. It's non-sense to me, but some here believe it's non-sense to think it can not be done. So...

In short, I agree with going after a UFA, as long as his last name does not rime with Tabarnak.

 

[HabzSauce]

Would not shock me if they trade Reinbacher and Hage with their first round picks to go acquire some studs. Also trading Matheson for some assets too. I really think they get bold this offseason.

Interesting, if there's a worthy return that makes sense you gotta at least entertain it.

I think Hugo only trades Reinbacher because they're concerned with his durability. It would sting if Reinbacher stayed healthy after we trade him because he looks like a stud already but that's the risk you take.

So if that's the play then this summer would be the time to move him. Value is still high but if they wait they risk him getting more injured and diminish his value

 

[Kimota]

I wonder if Lou would be tempted for Dach + for Horvat.

 

[Yukon Cornelius Habs]

I wonder if Lou would be tempted for Dach + for Horvat.

You love low balls more than a dog does.

 

[vokiel]

I wonder if Lou would be tempted for Dach + for Horvat.

No he would not.

 

[Doublechin]

I wonder if Lou would be tempted for Dach + for Horvat.

I wonder if he'd consider it for Beck and our two firsts

Having Evans locked and Kapanen in the pipeline makes me consider moving Beck and if the picks are in the 12+ range, I'm game

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Interesting, if there's a worthy return that makes sense you gotta at least entertain it.

I think Hugo only trades Reinbacher because they're concerned with his durability. It would sting if Reinbacher stayed healthy after we trade him because he looks like a stud already but that's the risk you take.

So if that's the play then this summer would be the time to move him. Value is still high but if they wait they risk him getting more injured and diminish his value

Depends. They really seem to like Dobson. Maybe they would prefer having Dobson in his prime so they can contend next year rather than wait 2-3 years for Reinbacher to become an all star defenseman.

I personally hope they keep RB, but if they can get a guy entering his prime, that's the type of deal I see them making this offseason.

 

[morhilane]

Dobson fits the 25 years old top 4 RHD with a team saying there will be change… Hugues use Dobson to compare Reinbacher at draft day. (Seems to like the profile). I was more in tune with a parayko type, but a 2nd offensive Dman if Hutson gets injured. Matheson could be in exchange with prospects. Didn’t hurt that much Islanders, save bucks and gets prospects

Habs need a RHD who can play big minutes in his own zone, especially if Matheson goes the other way. That's not Dobson regardless of how much Habs management might like the guy.

But a 2nd line center is more pressing I think. We can't have Newhook and his ~30 pts as the 2nd line center next season.

 

[Nevins]

The issue with the list is most of them are as unproven as Dach and Newhook were. Supposedly, the tactic is to trade picks and prospects for an established 2nd C. It's non-sense to me, but some here believe it's non-sense to think it can not be done. So...

In short, I agree with going after a UFA, as long as his last name does not rime with Tabarnak.

And I don't see the drama if Dach (or Newhook) is the second center next year. The Habs are far from being a Stanley Cup contender. In 2 years, Hage will be there, Beck and Kapanen will have matured. But the Habs must select several centers in the draft.

 

[HabzSauce]

Depends. They really seem to like Dobson. Maybe they would prefer having Dobson in his prime so they can contend next year rather than wait 2-3 years for Reinbacher to become an all star defenseman.

I personally hope they keep RB, but if they can get a guy entering his prime, that's the type of deal I see them making this offseason.

Reinbacher looks like a quick learner. Saw it in the Swiss league, saw it last year & even this year after the injury he looks like hasn't missed a beat.

Maybe 2-3 years to be a beast but even his first year I can see him making big impact

 

[Scriptor]

And I don't see the drama if Dach (or Newhook) is the second center next year. The Habs are far from being a Stanley Cup contender. In 2 years, Hage will be there, Beck and Kapanen will have matured. But the Habs must select several centers in the draft.

For starters, Hage will be wet behind the ears -- if he actually gets to the NHL in two years. Then , how many years do you think it will take before he becomes dominant down the middle and starts having a major impact on the games' results -- if he ever does?

Your miracle best case scenario where Hage lands on the scene in two years hasn't started to solve our troubles down the middle.

Adding a bonafide 2C starting next season -- best if in the age range of our current core -- increases the odds of our young players developing closer to their projected ceilings, starting with Demidov, but extending to both the other forwards and the D-Corps.

A solid top-6 C duo would have that much of an impact.

This team is not on the cusp of being a Stanley Cup contender, but the need for an established, younger 2C will not be filled by trading futures, even if they are first round quality picks, or by trading prospects short of being blue-chippers!

That's why I believe that trading Guhle will be the only way to acquire something else than a stop-gap C in the offseason.

And, so what if we have two long term top-6 Cs locked in when Hage finally reaches the NHL?

Hage's North/South style of play that exploits solid forechecking anchored on a swift skating stride projects the player as a highly successful top-6 winger at the NHL level.

Having too much skilled depth at C is not remotely possible.

 

[Scriptor]

Reinbacher looks like a quick learner. Saw it in the Swiss league, saw it last year & even this year after the injury he looks like hasn't missed a beat.

Maybe 2-3 years to be a beast but even his first year I can see him making big impact

IMO, Reinbacher will start on a third pairing with Xhekaj, whom he had developed good chemistry with while they were in Laval together. Once he appears accustomed to the NHL tempo, which could take 20-30 games, Reinbacher will inevitably be paired with Hutson.

In the medium term, Carrier with Guhle -- or with Matheson, if Guhle is traded for a 2C -- will contribute to just as efficient a defensive pairing.

If nothing else, Reinbacher's calm demeanour and steady defensive play will be as stabilizing, structurally, as Carrier's arrival with the Habs was, only a little more physical and with a slightly meaner streak.

 

[TomKosto]

Good luck finding a 25-26 years old that is an actual 2nd line center or top 4 RHD and is available.

Yea its not happening. Lots of fans here are probably gonna be pissed at Hughes summer. People here think we can acquired top end talent like Robert Thomas, Dobson, Barzal for mid first rounders and mid lvl prospects like Mailloux.

Hughes gonna get a project again or someone not fitting in his team like PLD or Laine.

 

[themilosh]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

Wasn't belbeluz playing with Beck? If thats who we target shouldnt our scouts get fired for not picking him ahead of Beck?

 

[Habs7631]

Yea its not happening. Lots of fans here are probably gonna be pissed at Hughes summer. People here think we can acquired top end talent like Robert Thomas, Dobson, Barzal for mid first rounders and mid lvl prospects like Mailloux.

Hughes gonna get a project again or someone not fitting in his team like PLD or Laine.

You got me in the first half. I agree lot of fans are gonna be pissed… because Hughes will trade a player/prospect they don’t want to lose.

Suzuki, Demidov, Hutson. The 3 untouchables for me. Everyone else is available depending on the tier of C/RHD they can fetch.

 

[TomKosto]

You got me in the first half. I agree lot of fans are gonna be pissed… because Hughes will trade a player/prospect they don’t want to lose.

Suzuki, Demidov, Hutson. The 3 untouchables for me. Everyone else is available depending on the tier of C/RHD they can fetch.

I’m watching every NHL roster and I really dont see which under 26yo center can be available for what we have to give. The only guy to me that can be interesting for them is Reinbacher and I don’t see Hughes dealing him. His value didnt go up in the last few years. IMO we should go the ufa route and take a vet for 2-3years, just waive him if he sucks in 4-5years. I know Hughes told the media he don’t want to be a drunken sailor in the ufa, but overpaying one vet is not the end of the world.

 

[Kimota]

You love low balls more than a dog does.

From what I heard, so do you.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

You got me in the first half. I agree lot of fans are gonna be pissed… because Hughes will trade a player/prospect they don’t want to lose.

Suzuki, Demidov, Hutson. The 3 untouchables for me. Everyone else is available depending on the tier of C/RHD they can fetch.

habs are not gonna trade a core player. The first line , Laine and Hutson are not moving mostly Guhle also.
Demidov is the Future of this franchise

I dont think anyone else cares about the other prospects like Florian

 

[Kimota]

No he would not.

I said +. Dach is not garbage. It's just that we need a real center. You put up a package WITH him.

But the only way that Lou trade Horvat is if he doesn't want to pay his salary anymore.

 

[Egresch]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

Those are interesting names, but I would say none of them is significantly better than what we already have in our pipeline with Beck and Kapanen.

 

[Scintillating10]

I don't think the Habs should sacrifice their prospects or their draft pick to get a second center. Dach and Newhook's mistakes made me doubt the Canadiens' scouts. I'd rather they try to sign a UFA center for two or three years and let the prospects capable of playing that position mature.However, I had fun making a list of candidates if Hughes chooses this route: Zack Bolduc, Mavrik Bourque, Kulich, Nazar, Geekie, Bel Belluz, Minten, Helenius, Lambert, Hendrix Lapierre.

Did you write that or is it a quote?

I don't think we will see the big contract UFA. Hughes said in recent interview he doesn't believe in what most teams do when window opens up. Most GMs overpay when a star comes on the market knowing year 6-7-8 going to be bad contract. Deal with it then. But they get run at 5 cup years now. Sounds like the Bennetts not going to be his way.

If he dips into UFA it's going to be the 30 something on short term deal. The young NHLer Hughes doesn't seem to be good judge of talent.