HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread 92 Waiting on the DRAFT Edition

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'll continue to view Hughes' intentions based on his work to date. As an ex-agent mercenary players have no place in his concept of proper team building. He's been very clear about that since day one. His actions to date support what comes out of his mouth.

It doesn't mean he won't sign any UFAs, just that he'll be super picky. He has the inside track with guys like Marner and Bennett as they are Quartexx clients. He knows their personalities.

 

[Heineman Mineman]

What a saucer pass by Armia

 

[Habs Halifax]

You were one of the earliest people arguing that the stockpiling of draft picks would contribute to a turnaround. Not sure how many of those picks contributed but here we are.

People don’t like hearing it because of how much they dislike Bergevin but the youth movement started well before our new management. The major difference is our new management has the long game strategy and accepted a complete focus on rebuilding… not half rebuilding and half competing at the same time

The amount of picks since 2017 is unreal. Gorton and Hughes acquired assets are only starting to tip the scales over what they inherited

 

[EXPOS123]

People don’t like hearing it because of how much they dislike Bergevin but the youth movement started well before our new management. The major difference is our new management has the long game strategy and accepted a complete focus on rebuilding… not half rebuilding and half competing at the same time

The amount of picks since 2017 is unreal. Gorton and Hughes acquired assets are only starting to tip the scales over what they inherited

Sorry but what Bergevin picks exactly?

Other than Guhle and Caulfield who else? .

Depth dmen Struble and Arber? Decrepid Gally?

Suzuki through a trade who wasn’t even his main target?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sorry but what Bergevin picks exactly?

Other than Guhle and Caulfield who else? .

Depth dmen Struble and Arber? Decrepid Gally?

Suzuki through a trade who wasn’t even his main target?

Not surprised, Things diminished because one name.. Bergevin

There was a clear youth movement before Gorton/Hughes. Below are the better pieces and there are many more pics that didn’t hit. You should get the main point

Suzuki
Caufield
Guhle
Romanov
Xhekaj
Mailloux
Roy
Dobes
Kapanen
Struble

 

[DAChampion]

Not surprised, Things diminished because one name.. Suzuki.

The argument against giving credit for the Suzuki trade is quite dim.

Leaving aside that good things in life are part luck, imagine if we knew for every trade in NHL history what packages were negotiated prior to the final trade.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The argument against giving credit for the Suzuki trade is quite dim.

Leaving aside that good things in life are part luck, imagine if we knew for every trade in NHL history what packages were negotiated prior to the final trade.

That name was Bergevin.. not sure why autocorrect changed it to Suzuki lol

I edited the post

 

[DAChampion]

Sorry but what Bergevin picks exactly?

Other than Guhle and Caulfield who else? .

Depth dmen Struble and Arber? Decrepid Gally?

Suzuki through a trade who wasn’t even his main target?

If you can't acknowledge the good Bergevin did, then your critiques of his failings are of no value. But here you go:

1) Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, just won the game against Ottawa.
2) Suzuki, Caulfield, Guhle, Roy, Armia, Evans, Struble, Xhekaj brought in by Bergevin. Were on tonight's roster.
3) Romanov, Harris, Toffoli, Chiarot, Lehkonen provided a lot of trade capital to Hughes.

 

[EXPOS123]

Not surprised, Things diminished because one name.. Bergevin

There was a clear youth movement before Gorton/Hughes. Below are the better pieces and there are many more pics that didn’t hit. You should get the main point

Suzuki
Caufield
Guhle
Romanov
Xhekaj
Mailloux
Roy
Dobes
Kapanen

Mailloux and Roy won’t even be with this org next year.

Why bring up Kapenen? He hasn’t been here at all and he’ll be in the AHL next year.

I’ll give you Dobes..but Romanov was and still is overrated.

 

[EXPOS123]

If you can't acknowledge the good Bergevin did, then your critiques of his failings are of no value. But here you go:

1) Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, just won the game against Ottawa.
2) Suzuki, Caulfield, Guhle, Roy, Armia, Evans, Struble, Xhekaj brought in by Bergevin. Were on tonight's roster.
3) Romanov, Harris, Toffoli, Chiarot, Lehkonen provided a lot of trade capital to Hughes.

Bozovin sold us on DVo being a #2C and Armia, Gally and Anderson
being top 6 players and trust me if they were still playing in those positions like MB dreamed then you wouldn’t be pointing them out.

That the org. finally gave up on that nonsense and lowered them to third and fourth line duties is a feather in marty’s and Hughes cap not Bozovin

Funny how the trades that brought in younger players and high picks were made by Hughes trading your point #3 players, not MB

 

[The Great Weal]

If Bennett resigns with the Panthers it will be at a discount, they aren't trading Lundell lol

 

[dauv]

If you can't acknowledge the good Bergevin did, then your critiques of his failings are of no value. But here you go:

1) Dvorak, Anderson, Gallagher, just won the game against Ottawa.
2) Suzuki, Caulfield, Guhle, Roy, Armia, Evans, Struble, Xhekaj brought in by Bergevin. Were on tonight's roster.
3) Romanov, Harris, Toffoli, Chiarot, Lehkonen provided a lot of trade capital to Hughes.

are you SERIOUSLY trying to defend Bergevin.

obviously Bergevin did some good things but in general he was really bad.

Let me give you a better example. Let's say he's a major league hitter with a 200 batting average, would you defend him saying he hits 2 out of every 10 times. OFF course not even if those 2 hits are game winning hits or homers.

But most of all BERGEVIN failed because of his ENORMOUS Fu*&ing EGO. BERGEVIN thought he was the star in MTL.

 

[DAChampion]

are you SERIOUSLY trying to defend Bergevin.

obviously Bergevin did some good things but in general he was really bad.

Let me give you a better example. Let's say he's a major league hitter with a 200 batting average, would you defend him saying he hits 2 out of every 10 times. OFF course not even if those 2 hits a game winning hits.

But most of all BERGEVIN failed because of his ENORMOUS Fu*&ing EGO. BERGEVIN thought he was the star in MTL.

I was very critical of Bergevin in his tenure here, I was among the most critical and the earliest to be critical.

But I can also acknowledge the good he did.

 

[dauv]

I was very critical of Bergevin in his tenure here, I was among the most critical and the earliest to be critical.

But I can also acknowledge the good he did.

I was very critical of Bergevin in his tenure here, I was among the most critical and the earliest to be critical.

But I can also acknowledge the good he did.

Honestly no GM ever will be 100% bad, every bad GM has done some good, but BERGEVIN's good is dwarfed by the BAD he did, so he wasn't a very good GM in fact I would argue that he was a TERRIBLE GM even if he did some good things.

 

[DAChampion]

Honestly no GM ever will be 100% bad, every bad GM has done some good, but BERGEVIN's good is dwarfed by the BAD he did, so he wasn't a very good GM in fact I would argue that he was a TERRIBLE GM even if he did some good things.

Overall I might give Bergevin a C for his first 8 years and a B+ for his last 2.

 

[dauv]

Overall I might give Bergevin a C for his first 8 years and a B+ for his last 2.

I respect your opinion, just can't agree, except for he do better in his last 2 years. but if I were to give him a formal grade I would grade him like so

1/3: C
2/3: D
3/3: C+

so overall no very good but like I said respect your opinion

 

[Habs Halifax]

Mailloux and Roy won’t even be with this org next year.

Why bring up Kapenen? He hasn’t been here at all and he’ll be in the AHL next year.

I’ll give you Dobes..but Romanov was and still is overrated.

I repeat, the youth movement started well before Gorton and Hughes.

 

[Miller Time]

People don’t like hearing it because of how much they dislike Bergevin but the youth movement started well before our new management. The major difference is our new management has the long game strategy and accepted a complete focus on rebuilding… not half rebuilding and half competing at the same time

The amount of picks since 2017 is unreal. Gorton and Hughes acquired assets are only starting to tip the scales over what they inherited

Nah

The year we finally fired him, he had just given up on JKO, traded for Dvorak, signed Hoffman to a brutal contract and was fired at a time our best prospect was getting 4th line deployment and about to be sent down...

The amount of picks we had was nothing special considering how bad the results were.

Of the 8 2nd Rd picks in the past 5 years of that mess, thus far we got 2 NHLers (Romanov, Strubble) & 1 depth player (ylonen)... Kapanen looks promising, Tuch & Kidney are long shots.


Of the 5 (& only 5 is a fail for a team with as poor results as we had in that span) 1st Rd picks, we got 2 -very good- NHLers in CC & Guhle, 1 failed top 3 pick, 1 depth player (Poehling) and 1tbd (Mailloux)

Thats a pretty mediocre.

In that same 5 yr window, Dallas (with 6 1st, 4 2nds) landed Robertson, Heskanen, Oettinger, Harley, Johnston, Bourque, Back, & Stankoven...

 

[Slafkofield]

Was at the game tnt and it was electric!! Imagine when Demidov comes next season + adding a 2C and possibly Dobson, bring her home Kent, we want #25!!!

 

[Benstheman]

Is that true the rumors about Hughes trying to get Demidov in for the playoffs if we make it?

 

[Egresch]

Is that true the rumors about Hughes trying to get Demidov in for the playoffs if we make it?

I would not do it, we can win a series, but not the cup. Team is not ready for that, there is no point of burning year of his ELC.
If we are trying to sign UFA 2C who would be a stop gap, that additional year might be important, e.g. we offer 3x7M to Duchene or we trade for Brayden Schenn who has 3 more years of 6,5M.

 

[morhilane]

Is that true the rumors about Hughes trying to get Demidov in for the playoffs if we make it?

From what I read, people are altering what Friedman said to make it sound like that, but Friedman was only talking about next season and doing some speculation crap as usual.

As a note, if Demidov's team gets eliminated early, nothing stop him from coming over here and hang out with the team without playing or signing a contract before May 31st.

 

[waitin425]

We still need a 2C and a top 4 RD and this team will be ridiculously good next year.

Trade for Crosby Kent! Make it happen!!!!

Both 1sts + Owen Beck + Logan Mailloux

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Crosby - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally
Kapanen

Guhle - Matheson
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier

 

[BaseballCoach]

Bozovin sold us on DVo being a #2C and Armia, Gally and Anderson
being top 6 players and trust me if they were still playing in those positions like MB dreamed then you wouldn’t be pointing them out.

That the org. finally gave up on that nonsense and lowered them to third and fourth line duties is a feather in marty’s and Hughes cap not Bozovin

Funny how the trades that brought in younger players and high picks were made by Hughes trading your point #3 players, not MB

Gallagher WAS a top-6 player over several years. His extension was a brutal contract, however.

Armia was not sold as a top-6 player, that's pure exaggeration.

Anderson cashed in on one great goal scoring streak. There was no need to give him the long contract Bozo did as an RFA. He was 3RW during our playoff run in his first year with us.

 

[ahmedou]

John Buccigross About Brad Marchand (Free Agency): ''Marchand, it’s going to be Florida or somewhere Northeast. I’m going to go, I almost went Montreal with Marchand. I think he wants to stay in the Northeast. So I’ll go Montreal for Marchand, go off the board a little bit there. Short flight to Boston if the family stays in Boston, 40 minute flight to Boston.”