HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[BigDaddyLurch]

Elias Pettersson is a shell of himself.
Something must have happened and he needs a change.

For $11 mil I don’t like the salary but maybe if we trade Josh Anderson and Kirby Dach both salary should be ok and Vancouver needs to retain.

Also if Rasmus Dahlin I would offer them Guhle, Roy and both first round picks.


Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Pettersson Laine

Dahlin Reinbacher
Hutson

Our team dynamic would change dramatically.

...yup, we'd be soft as baby shyte...

 

[themilosh]

Well Suzuki is closer to 8m then 7m so it's already kind of breaking the rules, but honestly in the end it depends on the rest of the team makeup. Ironically the Habs would benefit more by adding a 14m player and the Oilers would benefit by adding two quality 7m players because the Oilers lack depth whereas we have the depth but lack the true high end talent.

And let's face it, at the end of the day if McDavid becomes UFA and says he's willing to sign with us for 14m we'd be fools to say sorry 12m is the highest we will go.

I said (except) mcDavid.. lol wed be foolish not to sign him for $16M

 

[Sorinth]

I said (except) mcDavid.. lol wed be foolish not to sign him for $16M

I mean you said nobody but McDavid should get over 10m but didn't specify how much over 10m you'd go for him and then said the top-10 scorers should get between 10-12m. The point still stands that we are in a position where we would benefit more from getting that 1 superstar player worth 14m then we would getting 2 players worth 7m.

 

[calder candidate]

Was reported by multiple sources, Cam Robinson and Lebrun, that Winnipeg was after Savard, and were willing to pay what they paid for Schenn to get him.

I’d have taken that return in a heartbeat if it’s factual. It would have given us 3 second round picks in 2026, which could be used as pieces in other deals or kept for what’s supposed to be a deep draft year.

If you are Winnipeg do you take Schenn or Savard? They might have been willing to pay but Savard probably wasn’t there 1st target…

 

[Beendair Donedat]

If you are Winnipeg do you take Schenn or Savard? They might have been willing to pay but Savard probably wasn’t there 1st target…

I’m saying that it was reported by both that Savard was their (the Jets) number one choice, but they settled on Schenn when Hughes wouldn’t move him.

 

[themilosh]

Elias Pettersson is a shell of himself.
Something must have happened and he needs a change.

For $11 mil I don’t like the salary but maybe if we trade Josh Anderson and Kirby Dach both salary should be ok and Vancouver needs to retain.

Also if Rasmus Dahlin I would offer them Guhle, Roy and both first round picks.


Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Pettersson Laine

Dahlin Reinbacher
Hutson

Our team dynamic would change dramatically.

Whats crazy about the whole cgy pick is if they decide to blow a gasket, they could finish 10th... which then means we get FLA pick. If FLA goes on another run we'd end up with the 32nd pick..
Pittsburghs 2nd could be 35th. Almost negligble

 

[HuGort]

If UFA like Duchene is available we should try same tactics as Tampa with Guentzel. Trade 3rd for his rights, so we can talk to him exclusively before July 1st. Give him 6M for 2 years that would compensate the tax gap.

We need every advantage we can get in free agency. Maybe even do a St.Louis in RFA?

 

[salbutera]

Whats crazy about the whole cgy pick is if they decide to blow a gasket, they could finish 10th... which then means we get FLA pick. If FLA goes on another run we'd end up with the 32nd pick..
Pittsburghs 2nd could be 35th. Almost negligble

They don’t need to blow much of a gasket and finish 11th…

Cgy presently has 19OA pick:

4 pts separates 11OA - 19OA

2 pts 13OA-19OA

 

[Gaud]

Did Marchand have a nmc? What a shit return

I assume its just a rental and Marchand will be back in Boston in the summer.

 

[Gaud]

Wasn’t encouraging to hear Hughes said he didn’t had the munition to get a top 6 center for the futur today. Guess what, we won’t have more ammunition this summer lol

Hughes takes the L today. Statut quo is bad. Refusing to trade Armia for a second because you said so to suzuki, it’s sad. Either sell or buy a little at least to help them.

Hughes will have to get better pretty quickly at hockey trades. Trading a player for pick or negociating a contract, he’s good. But hockey trades? He takes the L pretty often since he’s here.

I get what he means - the prices are unreal at the TDL. I am ok with what Hughes is doing to be honest.

Sure, there are contracts that i sure wouldn't mind if he got rid of, some of which will just expire and we will just get nothing in return. However, mtl management's goal to be in the mix for a playoff spot is happening. Selling assets at a time where your team is competing for a PO spot may send the message that management doesn't believe in you this year. That would suck for morale

Instead, Suzuki reportedly asked Hughes not to trade anyone. Hughes told him it'll depend on what they do on teh ice till then. Suzuki then goes and gets 13 points and the habs win 5 games in a row. I feel like I'd be really pumped up as a player or a DG in this situation - im thinking both sides just got a lot of respect for the other; one for a captain that has caracter, leadership and that pulls his team forward. Another for a GM that trusts his captain and makes him accountable.

 

[Egresch]

We need every advantage we can get in free agency. Maybe even do a St.Louis in RFA?

When talking about STL, Brayden Schenn might be a great 2C candidate for us and I heard they were willing to trade him. They are also a good trading partner for us, as they need to retool their defense and might be interested in guys like Struble, Mailloux, Engstrom...
We only need to convince Schenn as he has 15 teams no-trade clause. He is a good veteran leader, OK on the dot, plays physical, leftie, turns 34 in August and has 3 more years at 6.5M (basically bridge Demidov ELC).

 

[Knuckles30]

Let me start by saying Cole Caufield is my favourite Hab. But sometimes you need to give to get, so who would be a realistic trade target to bring in that elusive center if we dangled Caufield? Note that I would only do this if we could sign someone like Marner as UFA to fill the void on top line wing. A cost controlled 30g winger should have a lot of value to top contending teams.

Obviously signing Bennett would be easier, but as many have said, there is only 1 of him...

 

[ML16]

Agree to disagree on Laine.

The odds of fixing all problems are very low. Very unlikely we get both a top 4 RD and a 2LC, if any of the two.

Upgrading Laine's value would pay more than Dach.

I think the Habs have enough assets to trade for both a 2C and a top-4 RHD this offseason, but if they had to prioritize one of these 2 trades, I guess trading for a 2C seems like a more dire need.

In that regard, I have more confidence in Matheson playing on his off-side next season than in Dach playing as 2C - though I don’t have much confidence in the former to begin with…

More importantly, and to make a link with our Dach vs Laine conundrum, I think neither of these players can reasonably hope to rebuild his value next year if the Habs’ don’t add a proven 2C to complete the top-6, all the more reason to pursue such an acquisition.

Keeping Laine (until TDL 206?) however likely means Dach is relegated to 3C/RW3 since Caufield, Slafkovski and Demidov will all be playing on the top-6 - and Laine is inefficient anywhere else but on a pure offensive role.

 

[TheArch]

So you “knew” 20 yr old Redenbacher, who was the best Dman in Laval after coming over late last season, would’ve been lost for 6-months w a knee injury suffered during a game at training camp?

Nobody can predict details. But expecting and planning for injuries, that are part of the game, is an obv need. If you plan that a 19 years old D would be your solution, you planned badly. Right D was weak, even with Kovacevik. To the point we are now playing a rookie offside during a playoff spot run. It was fine to trade Kovacevik only of you planned to find an upgrade. Your right D at this time ?

Savard
Barron

End of the list. Add Rainbacher, it's still by far the worst right D of the league.

So yeah, it was obv what with a single injury this would be an absolute mess. And it's been.

 

[Treb]

Nobody can predict details. But expecting and planning for injuries, that are part of the game, is an obv need. If you plan that a 19 years old D would be your solution, you planned badly. Right D was weak, even with Kovacevik. To the point we are now playing a rookie offside during a playoff spot run. It was fine to trade Kovacevik only of you planned to find an upgrade. Your right D at this time ?

Savard
Barron

End of the list. Add Rainbacher, it's still by far the worst right D of the league.

So yeah, it was obv what with a single injury this would be an absolute mess. And it's been.

Harris was still a Hab at that point. Can't carry 9D.

 

[Deus ex machina]

I was listening to the Tellement Hockey podcast and Alexandre Gascon, one of the journalist there, confirmed that there was indeed a deal on the table last draft of Zegras for Mailloux and the 21st pick.
He said Kent Hugues decided to not go ahead with the deal once they drafted Demidov and that the Habs don't have interest in Zegras anymore.

For those who still cling to the idea of Zegras coming here and/or thought that the information was not credible at the time...

 

[WeThreeKings]

I was listening to the Tellement Hockey podcast and Alexandre Gascon, one of the journalist there, confirmed that there was indeed a deal on the table last draft of Zegras for Mailloux and the 21st pick.
He said Kent Hugues decided to not go ahead with the deal once they drafted Demidov and that the Habs don't have interest in Zegras anymore.

For those who still cling to the idea of Zegras coming here and/or thought that the information was not credible at the time...

Dodged a massive bullet.

 

[le_sean]

I was listening to the Tellement Hockey podcast and Alexandre Gascon, one of the journalist there, confirmed that there was indeed a deal on the table last draft of Zegras for Mailloux and the 21st pick.
He said Kent Hugues decided to not go ahead with the deal once they drafted Demidov and that the Habs don't have interest in Zegras anymore.

For those who still cling to the idea of Zegras coming here and/or thought that the information was not credible at the time...

At some point people need to start questioning Hughes and Gorton’s evaluation of younger NHL players. Dach, Newhook, and possibly Zegras. That would have been three failure centre reclamation projects.

Guys like Monahan and Laine were not only more established, we were paid to take them off their teams. No-brainer moves.

 

[Adam Michaels]

As for 2C here's a name: Teuvo Teravainen, 30 years old, 2 years left at 5.4, 50pts (15g 35a) in 64gp playing 17min a night on that awful CHI team. Has a 8 year NTC but I think he'd come here.

Hasn't Teuvo been mostly a winger the last bunch of years? I think he was moved to the wing in Carolina because they had Aho and Staal. So they moved him to wing to remain on the Top-6. And now, even in Chicago, he's a winger because they have Bedard and Donato.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Hasn't Teuvo been mostly a winger the last bunch of years? I think he was moved to the wing in Carolina because they had Aho and Staal. So they moved him to wing to remain on the Top-6. And now, even in Chicago, he's a winger because they have Bedard and Donato.

I think Reino can take his spot but it doesn't really matter if we have at least two or three significant roster upgrades:

1. a new top3 dman to have Carrier and Reino duke it out for the 4D role.
2. a new 2C for obvious and necessary reasons
3. a new 3C to help ensure our team has serious depth; one of the spares can duke it out for the 3RW spot on the Heineman-3C-[RW] 3rd line
4. Demidov in the top6

Assuming Laine improves his fitness and therefore 5on5 play, just three spot improvements would do a world of good in addition to Reino and Demidov coming on board.

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As for 2C here's a name: Teuvo Teravainen, 30 years old, 2 years left at 5.4, 50pts (15g 35a) in 64gp playing 17min a night on that awful CHI team. Has a 8 year NTC but I think he'd come here.

Teravainen hasn't regularly played center since 2017 and he was fairly weak at center.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Let me start by saying Cole Caufield is my favourite Hab. But sometimes you need to give to get, so who would be a realistic trade target to bring in that elusive center if we dangled Caufield? Note that I would only do this if we could sign someone like Marner as UFA to fill the void on top line wing. A cost controlled 30g winger should have a lot of value to top contending teams.

Obviously signing Bennett would be easier, but as many have said, there is only 1 of him...

Yeah, the only way it works is if you replace Caufield through free agency with an equal or better player, but cost average per point/impact may not be as economical as Cole is under his contract with us.

There may come a time that a trade like this becomes a necessity but I don’t think we’re anywhere near pressing that button yet.

 

[The Great Weal]

Has any of you made a compendium on cash strapped teams, wingers and centers that could be made available ?

Dallas seems to be cap strapped. Seems like Benn will sign a team friendly deal. Duchene wants to resign and Dallas management seems to like him as well. Granlund is gone. Maybe they might need cap help, but my guess is they'll send a pick with Dumba, who we shouldn't touch.

Dallas: seems like they will try to resign Duchene and he loves it there. I remember in the Spittin Chiclets interview, he said he didn't even know how much he signed for; he just wanted to go there. Tyler Seguin seems like the obvious guy for them to trade with that cap hit. 2x9.85. Nill is an excellent GM however so I'm sure he will manage just fine.

Vegas: surprisingly, they will have 16.7 million in cap space. They need to resign some role players (especially goaltending), but no star player. Eichel is due for a contract next offseason but don't think it'd be an issue with the rising cap (and Pietrangelo/Stone likely sign for cheap the next year). I could see them making a push for Marner in classic Vegas fashion. If they want to clear up cap space, William Karlsson is the easy target for us. We would be sending Newhook (and more) the other way since I'm sure they'd want some NHL middle 6 guy. He's got a 10 team NTC which we are likely on.

With the rising cap, I can't see many teams being desperate to get cap space anymore meaning the Laine/Monahan trades are less likely to happen. Not really sure what we can do realistically. I refuse to believe Hughes is dumb enough to add only guys like Mercer and Gralund.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

At some point people need to start questioning Hughes and Gorton’s evaluation of younger NHL players. Dach, Newhook, and possibly Zegras. That would have been three failure centre reclamation projects.

Guys like Monahan and Laine were not only more established, we were paid to take them off their teams. No-brainer moves.

I don't think you're being irrational here but one has to wonder how much coaching is affecting ANA's young guys. Eakins was awful and Cronin ain't looking much better. Only Lacombe has been a developmental success story for them

 

[Adam Michaels]

JCL at Sparre made a comment that I thought was stupid at first and then thought about it and thought it would not be a bad choice: Tavares for second line center if we cannot get someone in their prime

Rather get Duchene, but it's more or so the same kind of logic. Duchene would just be cheaper imho.

Tavares and Duchene are both great options. I think it would be smart to go for more of a veteran center to go with Demidov, who will need to rely on a veteran on his line to help guide him. ROR is another one, and he will still have 2 years left on his deal (although reports say he doesn't want to be traded. Unless that was for this deadline and not him simply wanting to stay in Nashville).

 

[The Great Weal]

I don't think you're being irrational here but one has to wonder how much coaching is affecting ANA's young guys. Eakins was awful and Cronin ain't looking much better. Only Lacombe has been a developmental success story for them

The thing is, I can't see the Ducks accepting a crap package like Newhook and a 2nd for Zegras. Realistically, it would still cost something like Mailloux+Flames 1st which is a complete no go.