HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

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Looking at the roster for next season, there really isnt that much room for UFAs

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Gallagher
Beck Evans Heineman

Matheson Hutson
Carrier Guhle
Struble Xhekaj

I assume they will re-sign Armia and Reinbacher will make the club.

Trades are definitely the route they will go to improve the club. Dach and Newhook will likely need up grading (though I think Newhook would make for a good 3rd liner).

I think that the following assets will all be in play for roster upgrades
Dach
Newhook
Roy
Kapanen
Mailloux
Struble
Habs 1st
Cal 1st
all the 2nds
 
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Looking at the roster for next season, there really isnt that much room for UFAs

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Gallagher
Beck Evans Heineman

Matheson Hutson
Carrier Guhle
Struble Xhekaj

I assume they will re-sign Armia and Reinbacher will make the club.

Trades are definitely the route they will go to improve the club. Dach and Newhook will likely need up grading (though I think Newhook would make for a good 3rd liner).

I think that the following assets will all be in play for roster upgrades
Dach
Newhook
Roy
Kapanen
Mailloux
Struble
Habs 1st
Cal 1st
all the 2nds
I would keep Kapanen over Beck and i doubt Reinbacher isnt part of the starting line up next season

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Matheson
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

Unless theres some trades ( i hope so ) this will be our def lines next season

Matheson needs to go we need another RD and specially a #2 center Hughes needs to go shopping this offseason

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - X - Demidov
Anderson - Evans - Newhook
Heinemen - Kapanen - Gallagher

Guhle - X
Hutson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher


Use Dach/Struble + prospects and picks to go shopping
 
Not really… the calculus coming into the season was Redenbacher would be part of starting D corps at some point during the season, with Savard holding the fort till that time. No one could’ve predicted a significant injury derailing those plans
Problem is more getting a 4th for a guy who just signed 4m per year and doing good in NJ. Never really understood the move. He was pretty mobile, tough, not bad in his zone.
 
Not really… the calculus coming into the season was Redenbacher would be part of starting D corps at some point during the season, with Savard holding the fort till that time. No one could’ve predicted a significant injury derailing those plans
Even with Orville playing from the get-go, we could have used another Red that was sound defensively and physical. Carrier wasn't there and hope towards Barron becoming a valuable NHL D was overblown, IMO.

Would've kept Kovacevic ahead of Struble.
 
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Problem is more getting a 4th for a guy who just signed 4m per year and doing good in NJ. Never really understood the move. He was pretty mobile, tough, not bad in his zone.
The issue was there was projected to be no space for him- Redenbacher was being pencilled on for a regular spot by US Thanksgiving, this moving Savard to 7Dman role, and Struble was going to get playing time after Harris was dealt

Hughes coached Struble, and Gorton & MSL know him from youth hockey in the Northeast..
 
Looking at the roster for next season, there really isnt that much room for UFAs

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Gallagher
Beck Evans Heineman

Matheson Hutson
Carrier Guhle
Struble Xhekaj

I assume they will re-sign Armia and Reinbacher will make the club.

Trades are definitely the route they will go to improve the club. Dach and Newhook will likely need up grading (though I think Newhook would make for a good 3rd liner).

I think that the following assets will all be in play for roster upgrades
Dach
Newhook
Roy
Kapanen
Mailloux
Struble
Habs 1st
Cal 1st
all the 2nds
Dach as 2C
Gallagher as 3RW
Carrier in the top4
Matheson on the top-pairing
both Xhekaj and Struble in the lineup

I hope you're joking.

Hughes has to actually improve the roster at some point and many think that point is this summer. If he goes into next season with the same roster + Demidov he won't have done nearly enough.
 
Dach as 2C
Gallagher as 3RW
Carrier in the top4
Matheson on the top-pairing
both Xhekaj and Struble in the lineup

I hope you're joking.

Hughes has to actually improve the roster at some point and many think that point is this summer. If he goes into next season with the same roster + Demidov he won't have done nearly enough.
What’s wrong with Carrier in the top-4? He makes a great pairing with Guhle. I’d like to see a different partner for Hutson though, that’s for sure.

Gallagher will be 3RW whether we like it or not. No one wants his contract and they won’t ever buy him out.

Dach as 2C next season would be a farce
 
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What’s wrong with Carrier in the top-4? He makes a great pairing with Guhle. I’d like to see a different partner for Hutson though, that’s for sure.

Gallagher will be 3RW whether we like it or not. No one wants his contract and they won’t ever buy him out.

Dach as 2C next season would be a farce
Nothing wrong with it but I feel we would be a serious team if he is outside the top4 or borderline (PK but no PP duties) but put together with all the other positions it means Andy's 2026 Habs team is basically bottom10 again.

Gallagher won't be 3RW because he can't play those minutes to the necessary ability, as we can see.
 
Nothing wrong with it but I feel we would be a serious team if he is outside the top4 or borderline (PK but no PP duties) but put together with all the other positions it means Andy's 2026 Habs team is basically bottom10 again.

Gallagher won't be 3RW because he can't play those minutes to the necessary ability, as we can see.
It would be too much change in one summer to expect Carrier to be shifted to the bottom pairing. I hope they acquire a RD and then Reinbacher forces them to give him more icetime. It’ll be more natural.

I see the 3rd and 4th lines as interchangeable really. I guess it depends who they have as 3C.
 
It would be too much change in one summer to expect Carrier to be shifted to the bottom pairing. I hope they acquire a RD and then Reinbacher forces them to give him more icetime. It’ll be more natural.

I see the 3rd and 4th lines as interchangeable really. I guess it depends who they have as 3C.
I think Reino can take his spot but it doesn't really matter if we have at least two or three significant roster upgrades:
  1. a new top3 dman to have Carrier and Reino duke it out for the 4D role.
  2. a new 2C for obvious and necessary reasons
  3. a new 3C to help ensure our team has serious depth; one of the spares can duke it out for the 3RW spot on the Heineman-3C-[RW] 3rd line
  4. Demidov in the top6

Assuming Laine improves his fitness and therefore 5on5 play, just three spot improvements would do a world of good in addition to Reino and Demidov coming on board.

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As for 2C here's a name: Teuvo Teravainen, 30 years old, 2 years left at 5.4, 50pts (15g 35a) in 64gp playing 17min a night on that awful CHI team. Has a 8 year NTC but I think he'd come here.
 
I would keep Kapanen over Beck and i doubt Reinbacher isnt part of the starting line up next season

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Matheson
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

Unless theres some trades ( i hope so ) this will be our def lines next season

Matheson needs to go we need another RD and specially a #2 center Hughes needs to go shopping this offseason

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - X - Demidov
Anderson - Evans - Newhook
Heinemen - Kapanen - Gallagher

Guhle - X
Hutson - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher


Use Dach/Struble + prospects and picks to go shopping
Lineup will be, including the needs you outline:


Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Slafkovsky - X - Demidov
Newhook - Evans - Heineman
Anderson - Beck - Gallagher

The reason I put Laine with Canfield and Suzuki is the whole off wing thing and comfort of players plating on their offside.

Caufield naturally plays on his offside as a LW and actually increases his shooting % from playing on that side. He has also managed to become more of a complete player while playing on his offside. That situation is a positive.

I was never very fond of playing Slafkovsky on his offide as well because of the inexperience from the young crown jewel and the pressure on his defensive game.

Laine definitely can't replaying on his off side on the second line as you have depicted and, while Demidov is a natural Lefty, his bread and butter has been playing on his off side at RW. I wouldn't change a thing for Demidov as he gets accustomed to the NHL's tempo and in order not to limit his instincts.

On the third line, both Newhook and Heineman are Lefties, but Heineman, in Europe, has played a lot of hockey on his off side, much more than Newhook who isn't exactly an asset defensively to begin with.

Anderson and Gallaher have played together for a while now and playing them with Beck rather than Dvorak should be an upgrade for the two veteran wingers that would also help insulate Beck during his transition to the NHL.

Guhle - X (Carrier)
Hutson - Matheson/Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Carrier
Struble

I agree that, ideally, we need a pairing partner for Guhle higher up the defensive depth chart, but it can be Guhle-Carrier for another season if need be and Matheson with Hutson again to start the season as Reinbacher eases into the NHL on a third pairing until the trade deadline when, reasonably, Hughes should be moving Matheson for a 2nd first round pick in 2026 and, presumably, a prospect.

I would never place Carrier with Hutson full time because that pairing, from the small sample of them playing together leads to them being dominated physically and the puck getting trapped in our zone when Hutson is out there more often than when he isn't playing with Carrier.
 
Dach as 2C
Gallagher as 3RW
Carrier in the top4
Matheson on the top-pairing
both Xhekaj and Struble in the lineup

I hope you're joking.

Hughes has to actually improve the roster at some point and many think that point is this summer. If he goes into next season with the same roster + Demidov he won't have done nearly enough.
I don't know if it is a matter of joking.

I simply said that factually, as of right now, there isn't room for a UFA next year. I didn't give a value judgment on the roster, I am just simply outlining spaces on the roster and as you can see, with all the contracts the habs are committed to, there isn't much space. In fact, there isn't much at all.

Dach, Gallagher, Carrier, Matheson all have contracts next year. They don't just disappear.

Then you go an whine about Dach and Struble who I said will probably be used as trade bait. I even said that Dach and Newhook will likely need upgrading.

it's like you didn't even read the post and used it as a springboard to rehash the same complain you've already written a thousand times.

So again, I reiterate, there isn't space to add UFAs next year. Improvement likely comes via trade.

Honestly, I'm convinced you didn't read the post at all.
 
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Looking at the roster for next season, there really isnt that much room for UFAs

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Gallagher
Beck Evans Heineman

Matheson Hutson
Carrier Guhle
Struble Xhekaj

I assume they will re-sign Armia and Reinbacher will make the club.

Trades are definitely the route they will go to improve the club. Dach and Newhook will likely need up grading (though I think Newhook would make for a good 3rd liner).

I think that the following assets will all be in play for roster upgrades
Dach
Newhook
Roy
Kapanen
Mailloux
Struble
Habs 1st
Cal 1st
all the 2nds
To many picks, to many guys
Time for KH to make a huge move
 
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Lineup will be, including the needs you outline:


Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Slafkovsky - X - Demidov
Newhook - Evans - Heineman
Anderson - Beck - Gallagher

The reason I put Laine with Canfield and Suzuki is the whole off wing thing and comfort of players plating on their offside.

Caufield naturally plays on his offside as a LW and actually increases his shooting % from playing on that side. He has also managed to become more of a complete player while playing on his offside. That situation is a positive.

I was never very fond of playing Slafkovsky on his offide as well because of the inexperience from the young crown jewel and the pressure on his defensive game.

Laine definitely can't replaying on his off side on the second line as you have depicted and, while Demidov is a natural Lefty, his bread and butter has been playing on his off side at RW. I wouldn't change a thing for Demidov as he gets accustomed to the NHL's tempo and in order not to limit his instincts.

On the third line, both Newhook and Heineman are Lefties, but Heineman, in Europe, has played a lot of hockey on his off side, much more than Newhook who isn't exactly an asset defensively to begin with.

Anderson and Gallaher have played together for a while now and playing them with Beck rather than Dvorak should be an upgrade for the two veteran wingers that would also help insulate Beck during his transition to the NHL.

Guhle - X (Carrier)
Hutson - Matheson/Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Carrier
Struble

I agree that, ideally, we need a pairing partner for Guhle higher up the defensive depth chart, but it can be Guhle-Carrier for another season if need be and Matheson with Hutson again to start the season as Reinbacher eases into the NHL on a third pairing until the trade deadline when, reasonably, Hughes should be moving Matheson for a 2nd first round pick in 2026 and, presumably, a prospect.

I would never place Carrier with Hutson full time because that pairing, from the small sample of them playing together leads to them being dominated physically and the puck getting trapped in our zone when Hutson is out there more often than when he isn't playing with Carrier.
Laine absolutely cannot have that much ice time if we are seriously trying to win games
 
Looking at the roster for next season, there really isnt that much room for UFAs

Cole Suzuki Slaf
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Gallagher
Beck Evans Heineman

Matheson Hutson
Carrier Guhle
Struble Xhekaj

I assume they will re-sign Armia and Reinbacher will make the club.

Trades are definitely the route they will go to improve the club. Dach and Newhook will likely need up grading (though I think Newhook would make for a good 3rd liner).

I think that the following assets will all be in play for roster upgrades
Dach
Newhook
Roy
Kapanen
Mailloux
Struble
Habs 1st
Cal 1st
all the 2nds

I think you're right, especially with Dach not finishing the season.

That said, I'm not as sure as most around here are that the book is closed on him as a top 6 player nor that the team does.

I think they'll be aggressive in seeking a top 6 upgrade (established impact player) but I don't think they'll do so at any cost... If the right deal doesn't materialize, I could definitely see them settle for a depth vet addition at forward and otherwise hope internal progression pushes the team into playoff lock.


To that affect, if they like what they see from his medical info, I could see us signing Toews to a 1yr ~1.5M (+1M in bonuses tied to playing 60+ games & Habs making playoffs) deal with a mutual commitment to extension if things go well.

Would be worth it just for the lol of watching some around here (& in the franco media) lose their sh*t if that were out only move :popcorn:
 
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Problem is more getting a 4th for a guy who just signed 4m per year and doing good in NJ. Never really understood the move. He was pretty mobile, tough, not bad in his zone.
Well Gustav Forsling was placed on waivers by Van…key element to Fla winning Cup last year.

MSL undrafted, released by Cgy…ended up HOFer

It’s not as if Kovacevic was playing Norris caliber D and the Habs gave him away for a 4th… he was a 7th D on this team
 
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Not really… the calculus coming into the season was Redenbacher would be part of starting D corps at some point during the season, with Savard holding the fort till that time. No one could’ve predicted a significant injury derailing those plans
No one could have predicted ? Well, Habs has been the most impacted team in the league two years in a row.
 
Dach as 2C
Gallagher as 3RW
Carrier in the top4
Matheson on the top-pairing
both Xhekaj and Struble in the lineup

I hope you're joking.

Hughes has to actually improve the roster at some point and many think that point is this summer. If he goes into next season with the same roster + Demidov he won't have done nearly enough.

They called this summer the most important one. Considering that, it would quite the disappointment if that roster is the one that starts next season. The team could have made the playoffs this year with a few tweaks. They need to carry that momentum next year by adding, not stagnating.
 
No one could have predicted ? Well, Habs has been the most impacted team in the league two years in a row.
So you “knew” 20 yr old Redenbacher, who was the best Dman in Laval after coming over late last season, would’ve been lost for 6-months w a knee injury suffered during a game at training camp?
 
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