HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #91: 2025 Trade Deadline edition

[Benstheman]

some people don’t realize contending is something you build up to. It doesn’t just happen “2 years from now”.

This is why management wanted them “in the mix”. … and why Suzuki and MSL are talking about the importance of this current stretch of games.

Players develop when games matter. Hockey ops finds holes in the roster.

Yeah I think people forget there will be 6-7 players of the actual roster that will be part of the team when we contend. They will be the young veterans of that contending team. They need that experience. They need to know how to win. And we all know winning isn't just about talent.

 

[Kimota]

JT Miller has been killing it with NYR. I feel like we missed the boat here.

 

[BergevinBurner]

JT Miller has been killing it with NYR. I feel like we missed the boat here.

He has a NMC. I can nearly guarantee he wouldn't have waived it to come here.

 

[Leto]

JT Miller has been killing it with NYR. I feel like we missed the boat here.

We didn't. He has a full NMC and made it clear he wanted to return to the US of A. In no possible universe he would want to leave Vancouver's media warzone for Montreal's circus.

 

[TheArch]

Evans has nothing to do with Hage. You have 2 spots at center on the bottom 6 for Evans and Beck. Kapanen is far from being a sure thing in the NHL, let alone at Center. If he makes it, it might very well be as a bottom 6 winger.

Completely unrelated at this point indeed.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

You are thinking of Shayna Goldman and she broke the Matheson trade to Montreal. She writes for the Athletic and is a common guest on Jeff Marek's new podcast.

That's it.

Did she always write articles, or get a chance after posting all the clips ?

Either way, good for her, but aside from that area where she had all this info I dont think I've seen her used a source since.

Just like this Cam person. He was the source for prospects, but never seemed to be anything about trades.

Good for both of them to get some sources.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure he was posting a bunch of stuff about the prospects and which teams liked which.

I wonder if he can figure out which team was talking Demidov down at the combine, or the Russian combine

 

[Egresch]

It's not only these 20 games, it's also next year as well. Are they expecting that a 3rd + a 2nd line center will be available for them this summer?

We are not contenders next year as well unless we somehow acquire 1C and 1RHD. This team with Armia/ Evans was terrible before 4N break. It is Suzuki, Hutson, Slaf, Monty who really move the needle of we fight for PO spot.

 

[SisuHabsSisu]

I’m not sure how people are choosing to not do simple math. Unless we’re talking about the Celebrinis and Demidovs of the world, most players, even highly touted ones like Hage, take years to make it to the show, if they do at all. And making a significant impact is harder still.

We should not value first round draft picks in the way a team in total rebuild does or even the way a strong team looking to the future to continue their success does.

Enough with the picks. We need players! We have a window: Slaf, CC, Suzy (and, yes, Lane and Demi). Even great prospects like Desnoyer will not be impact players for years. If we want to be true contenders in 2-3 years, we need players at least 20+.

If you can continue to pick up 1sts they should be used in packages to get ACTUAL PLAYERS. We need a 2C desperately as well as a RD. They are hard to come by but I would throw the kitchen sink at a team willing to part with a TRUE 2C or a TRUE top 4 RD. Not a prospect who, fingers-crossed, might one day, perhaps with luck, become a real piece (no more Dachs and Newhooks).

Unless we are looking at top 3 picks who can join the team immediately or in a season, even 1sts won’t do it, let alone 2nds.

I believe HuGo will find a way to get pieces who will move the needle; maybe a Nemec or a Yurov.

Otherwise, pass.

 

[red devil]

That's it.

Did she always write articles, or get a chance after posting all the clips ?

Either way, good for her, but aside from that area where she had all this info I dont think I've seen her used a source since.

Just like this Cam person. He was the source for prospects, but never seemed to be anything about trades.

Good for both of them to get some sources.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure he was posting a bunch of stuff about the prospects and which teams liked which.

I wonder if he can figure out which team was talking Demidov down at the combine, or the Russian combine

Based on her bio at the Athletic she graduated with a Master of Science in sports business. She wrote for the hockeywriters back in 2017 before moving on to the Athletic. My guess is she now has sources throughout the league with the work she has done since being with the Athletic and people now trust her that she won't reveal them.

 

[Egresch]

some people don’t realize contending is something you build up to. It doesn’t just happen “2 years from now”.

This is why management wanted them “in the mix”. … and why Suzuki and MSL are talking about the importance of this current stretch of games.

Players develop when games matter. Hockey ops finds holes in the roster.

Trust me I get it, but we need to be driven by core guys if we want to stay in the mix. Your 4th liners career year should not be the driver.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I’m not sure how people are choosing to not do simple math. Unless we’re talking about the Celebrinis and Demidovs of the world, most players, even highly touted ones like Hage, take years to make it to the show, if they do at all. And making a significant impact is harder still.

We should not value first round draft picks in the way a team in total rebuild does or even the way a strong team looking to the future to continue their success does.

Enough with the picks. We need players! We have a window: Slaf, CC, Suzy (and, yes, Lane and Demi). Even great prospects like Desnoyer will not be impact players for years. If we want to be true contenders in 2-3 years, we need players at least 20+.

If you can continue to pick up 1sts they should be used in packages to get ACTUAL PLAYERS. We need a 2C desperately as well as a RD. They are hard to come by but I would throw the kitchen sink at a team willing to part with a TRUE 2C or a TRUE top 4 RD. Not a prospect who, fingers-crossed, might one day, perhaps with luck, become a real piece (no more Dachs and Newhooks).

Unless we are looking at top 3 picks who can join the team immediately or in a season, even 1sts won’t do it, let alone 2nds.

I believe HuGo will find a way to get pieces who will move the needle; maybe a Nemec or a Yurov.

Otherwise, pass.

The "simple math" is that picks have relatively consistent value across the league, which makes it easier to target x or y player than it would be if the other team didn't like the players you have available enough.

There is no rule that says you must use every pick you acquire in a trade to draft a player.

Would it be nicer to fleece a team by trading two bottom 6 rentals for a Nemec or a Yurov? Sure. But its better to have realistic expectations.

 

[sampollock]

The "simple math" is that picks have relatively consistent value across the league, which makes it easier to target x or y player than it would be if the other team didn't like the players you have available enough.

There is no rule that says you must use every pick you acquire in a trade to draft a player.

Know which at some point you hope that Kent will use some of these to get a stud

 

[Whalers Fan]

My biggest fear is that Hughes is blinded by the recent success and does not acquire more assets for Evans. We aren't in a position to contend and we must follow the plan. He tried to "speed up" the process twice by acquiring Dach and Newhook and it didn't turn out great. As long as we have Bergevin's garbage still on the team, we should be sellers.

In what world was acquiring Dach and Newhook trying to "speed up the process"? Those two players were of the proper age and had the draft pedigree to fit well within the rebuild had they worked out. Dach's been a disappointment, and Newhook has just only performed at a level that would be expected based on the price the Habs paid (and not where he was drafted), but that in no way means they were acquired to speed up the rebuild.

 

[salbutera]

He has a NMC. I can nearly guarantee he wouldn't have waived it to come here.

It was reported he would only waive for a US team

 

[sampollock]

At this rate maybe a squad in Edmonton will be with on the ice tonight

 

[vokiel]

JT Miller has been killing it with NYR. I feel like we missed the boat here.

The boat was never stopping in Montreal anyhow.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

In what world was acquiring Dach and Newhook trying to "speed up the process"? Those two players were of the proper age and had the draft pedigree to fit well within the rebuild had they worked out. Dach's been a disappointment, and Newhook has just only performed at a level that would be expected based on the price the Habs paid (and not where he was drafted), but that in no way means they were acquired to speed up the rebuild.

Come on now, they were both 3 to 4 years older than the picks we traded them for would've been. That's speeding up a rebuild. Even though you might disagree, it's pretty much concensus among most fans in here.

 

[Nicko999]

In what world was acquiring Dach and Newhook trying to "speed up the process"? Those two players were of the proper age and had the draft pedigree to fit well within the rebuild had they worked out. Dach's been a disappointment, and Newhook has just only performed at a level that would be expected based on the price the Habs paid (and not where he was drafted), but that in no way means they were acquired to speed up the rebuild.

By acquiring players older than the player you would draft, you are speeding up the process.

Assuming they worked out, you shorten the window because these players are 24 years old now.
By the time you are ready to compete, these guys are 26-27 years which is prime years. However 4 years after that, they would be 30+ years old already. The players you would have drafted in 2022 and 2023 would be 22-23 by the time you compete and the window would be longer.

 

[Vachon23]

I’m not sure how people are choosing to not do simple math. Unless we’re talking about the Celebrinis and Demidovs of the world, most players, even highly touted ones like Hage, take years to make it to the show, if they do at all. And making a significant impact is harder still.

We should not value first round draft picks in the way a team in total rebuild does or even the way a strong team looking to the future to continue their success does.

Enough with the picks. We need players! We have a window: Slaf, CC, Suzy (and, yes, Lane and Demi). Even great prospects like Desnoyer will not be impact players for years. If we want to be true contenders in 2-3 years, we need players at least 20+.

If you can continue to pick up 1sts they should be used in packages to get ACTUAL PLAYERS. We need a 2C desperately as well as a RD. They are hard to come by but I would throw the kitchen sink at a team willing to part with a TRUE 2C or a TRUE top 4 RD. Not a prospect who, fingers-crossed, might one day, perhaps with luck, become a real piece (no more Dachs and Newhooks).

Unless we are looking at top 3 picks who can join the team immediately or in a season, even 1sts won’t do it, let alone 2nds.

I believe HuGo will find a way to get pieces who will move the needle; maybe a Nemec or a Yurov.

Otherwise, pass.

I do agree with what your saying but having many 1st and 2nd round pick can help you getting those players later. More asset you have, more chance you have to acquired a good players

 

[sampollock]

I do agree with what your saying but having many 1st and 2nd round pick can help you getting those players later. More asset you have, more chance you have to acquired a good players

Let's see what he does with all his pics then

 

[Vachon23]

2 games that Dallas bring scouts and Bonner is the Head Pro Scout.

Jamie Pushor is TB AGM

 

[sampollock]

2 games that Dallas bring scouts and Bonner is the Head Pro Scout.

Jamie Pushor is TB AGM

Dallas=Evans

 

[vokiel]

2 games that Dallas bring scouts and Bonner is the Head Pro Scout.

Jamie Pushor is TB AGM

Yeah so Minny scouts gone, Washington scouts not even bothering.

 

[Vachon23]

Yeah so Minny scouts gone, Washington scouts not even bothering.

They maybe already have all the information they needed

 

[vokiel]

They maybe already have all the information they needed

True, I'm not sure why San Jose, Pitsburgh and Chicago need more info.