HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[WeThreeKings]

I did not

Neither did I.

I never wanted to pick Mailloux. Got bashed when I pointed out his horrible OHL defending. With all that being said, some prospects are drafted needing all the development runway that they can get.

It was going to take time. At his best, we are still hoping that his offensive ability will compensate for the fact he's never going to be a good defender. He just needs to be adequate. Which is certainly possible with his size and ability to skate at that size. If they can peel the decision making back to be less risk-taking outside of the offensive blue line, it should all work itself out.

 

[Deus ex machina]

We're not winning the Cup in the next 2 years. Goalies better than Montembeault aren't available that often. That position will be fixed internally.

Montembeault's contract fits the Fowler timeline.

Also, they aren't ready and that is causing a lag at that position compared to the rest of the roster. They can't just wait and pray.

Why not just wait and pray on RD and 2C?
They can wait for Hage, Reinbacher and the other prospects.

They're not winning the cup in the next 2 years anyway, right?

 

[BozoTheClown]

What do we need patience for? He’s always been a horrible defender and he can’t even defend well in the AHL. Unless he does a complete 180, which his lack of IQ shows us it’s unlikely, then he’ll be a journeyman Tony DeAngelo type at best.

I would be happy with a 6’3” 220 DeAngelo type averaging 45 points a season.

 

[Treb]

Why not just wait and pray on RD and 2C?
They can wait for Hage, Reinbacher and the other prospects.

They're not winning the cup in the next 2 years anyway, right?

Montembeault is fine for 2 years.

The current RD isn’t.

Spending assets on RD and C makes the Habs better than spending them on G which I believe would be a waste given our pipeline.

 

[eklund the clown]

Who is this famous RD that everyone is pining to get?Unless it's Makar it's not going to be make any difference on this team.Why would we give up half our future prospects or draft picks at this time?We are a bottom 10 NHL team .Hughes is not going to and is not ready for this step.It's a rebuild people that has not been rebuilt yet.It's like trying to build a house.Get the foundation and the floor done and try and move in.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Montembeault is fine for 2 years.

The current RD isn’t.

Spending assets on RD and C makes the Habs better than spending them on G which I believe would be a waste given our pipeline.

They have plenty of assets to fix the 3 problems. Goalies don't fetch that much on the market.
Doesn't make sense to fix just 2 and not the most important position.

Montembeault is not fine. He had plenty of time to prove himself and he's shown that he's mediocre at best.
They need an upgrade to take the next step.

I like Fowler but goalies usually take more time to develop and are less predictable, so you can't say for sure the G pipeline is better.
Get the upgrade now and if one of the G prospects pan out, then you have a good problem on your hands.

 

[le_sean]

If Evan Bouchard can figure it out, Logan Mailloux certainly can. He still has another year of AHL eligibility and with all the missed time for many different reasons, did anyone think that he was gonna go from bad at defending in the OHL to being a strong NHL defender in his 2nd AHL year?

He’s not at all at Bouchard’s level. There’s a reason one was a Top 10 pick and the other fell and it wasn’t because of controversy.

 

[le_sean]

I would be happy with a 6’3” 220 DeAngelo type averaging 45 points a season.

He won’t though. There’s no way he will ever supplant Hutson as our PP QB. He’s not putting up those numbers being on PP2. And he’ll also be a -20 along with whatever numbers he puts up. Like I said he’s well on his way to becoming a journeyman

 

[WeThreeKings]

He’s not at all at Bouchard’s level. There’s a reason one was a Top 10 pick and the other fell and it wasn’t because of controversy.

He's not on Bouchard's level offensively.. but Bouchard was always a space cadet with bad defense coming up, and he's managed to turn himself into an okayish defender at the NHL level. Mailloux can do the same.

 

[Treb]

They have plenty of assets to fix the 3 problems. Goalies don't fetch that much on the market.
Doesn't make sense to fix just 2 and not the most important position.

Montembeault is not fine. He had plenty of time to prove himself and he's shown that he's mediocre at best.
They need an upgrade to take the next step.

I like Fowler but goalies usually take more time to develop and are less predictable, so you can't say for sure the G pipeline is better.
Get the upgrade now and if one of the G prospects pan out, then you have a good problem on your hands.

I don't think Montembeault is what is currently blocking Montreal's progress.

The way I see it is that Dobes will take more and more of the load until 2027. At that point, if Fowler isn't ready to share the net with Dobes, then you go to FA/trade to fill the spot (which could be the starter or backup spot depending on Dobes).

On the flipside, if Fowler shows he is ready before then, you can explore trade options for Montembeault or Dobes, depending on their performance.

2027 would also be the time Volokhin's contract will be over and he can move to Laval.

I personally just don't see the need to upgrade on Montembeault unless it falls into their lap.

 

[le_sean]

He's not on Bouchard's level offensively.. but Bouchard was always a space cadet with bad defense coming up, and he's managed to turn himself into an okayish defender at the NHL level. Mailloux can do the same.

The reason is because Bouchard can pass his way out of trouble. Mailloux does not have that vision.

 

[Habs Icing]

RD is a much bigger hole than C.

I'm perplexed why anyone would see C as a more pressing need.

RD
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C
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LW
G
RW
LD

Maybe RD is a bigger hole but they have a prospect in their pool who could fill in. 2C they have no one who can fill it for the next two-three years.

I get the feeling HuGo will not fill either hole by TDL. They'll acquire assets by trading their UFAs and wait for the end of the season to make their decisions.

Reinbacher started playing last night. Management will see if he is anywhere close to being promoted next year. If the answer is yes then they'll place all their efforts into acquiring that 2C. If the answer is he will be a top pairing D-man but needs time, they'll work around it and still go for the 2C. If the answer is no he'll never be a top pairing d-man, heads will roll. I'm joking. There's no way they'll be able to tell David is a bust by the end of the season.

So I look for management to go for a 2C this summer.

 

[Habs Icing]

I'm saying that in the almost 14 years I've been here, Habs fans have always been having irrational knee jerk reactions to every single Habs goalie.

Spending assets on G is a sure way to lower the Habs contention window.

I wonder if Team Canada management agrees with you?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He's not on Bouchard's level offensively.. but Bouchard was always a space cadet with bad defense coming up, and he's managed to turn himself into an okayish defender at the NHL level. Mailloux can do the same.

He can probably score as many goals as Bouchard and he won't have the advantage of playing with McDavid. So far Bouchard has only had one big goal scoring season. Bouchard will likely get more assists though (but is that also because of McDavid and Dry Saddle)

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Maybe RD is a bigger hole but they have a prospect in their pool who could fill in. 2C they have no one who can fill it for the next two-three years.

I get the feeling HuGo will not fill either hole by TDL. They'll acquire assets by trading their UFAs and wait for the end of the season to make their decisions.

Reinbacher started playing last night. Management will see if he is anywhere close to being promoted next year. If the answer is yes then they'll place all their efforts into acquiring that 2C. If the answer is he will be a top pairing D-man but needs time, they'll work around it and still go for the 2C. If the answer is no he'll never be a top pairing d-man, heads will roll. I'm joking. There's no way they'll be able to tell David is a bust by the end of the season.

So I look for management to go for a 2C this summer.

I think the D is a far bigger priority. Dach has improved a lot and looks ready to go for next year. Add Demidov with him and his points will improve by a lot. And Hage is on the way as well.

The D? I think RB is going to be spending the rest of this season shaking off rust. Then next year it won't surprise me if he starts in the minors as well. We need some help there.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The reason is because Bouchard can pass his way out of trouble. Mailloux does not have that vision.

He was actually very high in giveaways and it's only been this season where he's dramatically cut them down.

 

[Habs Icing]

I think the D is a far bigger priority. Dach has improved a lot and looks ready to go for next year. Add Demidov with him and his points will improve by a lot. And Hage is on the way as well.

The D? I think RB is going to be spending the rest of this season shaking off rust. Then next year it won't surprise me if he starts in the minors as well. We need some help there.

From what I've seen Dach is not a centerman. Adding Demidov may add points to Dach's resume but it won't improve his play. Dach is not defensively responsible.

It's funny you say Hage is on his way but Reinbacher may start in the minors. Hage is further away from starting in the NHL than Reinbacher. And we're not even sure if he'll make it as a 2C or 3C or a winger. There's also the Russian defenseman (can't spell his name) who is closer to the NHL than Hage. And on the off chance there's Mailloux, I think he may be ready but The Admiral says he is not and I will defer to his judgment. Don't forget this management team traded away Kovasevic this summer thinking they were good on the right side.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

From what I've seen Dach is not a centerman. Adding Demidov may add points to Dach's resume but it won't improve his play. Dach is not defensively responsible.

It's funny you say Hage is on his way but Reinbacher may start in the minors. Hage is further away from starting in the NHL than Reinbacher.

To be clear, I don't think Hage is on the way next year. I totally agree that RB is closer and will probably be with us at some point next year.

And we're not even sure if he'll make it as a 2C or 3C or a winger. There's also the Russian defenseman (can't spell his name) who is closer to the NHL than Hage. And on the off chance there's Mailloux, I think he may be ready but The Admiral says he is not and I will defer to his judgment. Don't forget this management team traded away Kovasevic this summer thinking they were good on the right side.

I don't object to adding a 2nd line center. I'm fine with Dach but the more we have the better. But I think RD is a much bigger priority.

 

[ReHabs]

Montembeault is fine for 2 years.

The current RD isn’t.

Spending assets on RD and C makes the Habs better than spending them on G which I believe would be a waste given our pipeline.

This seems like the “only” reasonable take about our needs.

The discussion of priorities is fun, I just wish we had more names to evaluate and throw around.

How many NHL players are outperforming their TOI or pt/60?

How many RDs are stuffed behind a deep roster and can show more than they have?

How many Ws seem like they can be shifted to C?

It would be fun to evaluate some new names.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Colton Parayko is the man we need. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile, but he’d be the perfect partner for Hutson. He has great skating, size and leadership skills. His cap hit is ridiculously cheap for what he brings, so it would take an overpayment but I think he’s more than worth it for this club to take the next step towards being a playoff contender.

Working on the assumption that the Habs are trading Evans and Armia at the deadline, and the return is a 1st round pick, I would offer Saint Louis:

To Saint Louis:
Mike Matheson
Logan Mailloux
1st round pick acquired from Evans/Armia deal
OR
1st round pick acquired from Calgary
2nd round pick acquired from Pittsburgh
Michael Pezzetta

To Montreal:
Colton Parayko
Alexey Toropchenko

Habs give up a top defenseman, a high end right hand shot prospect, a 1st and a 2nd and a physical fourth liner for a top pair right shot defenseman and a Russian bottom six player with size and skill that can also be a mentor for Demidov.

Sign a center in the UFA market - as always I’m lobbying for Sam Bennett, or a veteran like Granlund, and you’ve got a really nicely balanced group, who shouldn’t have any excuse about making the playoffs.

Lineup looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Demidov - Bennett - Laine
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
Toropchenko - Beck - Newhook
Gallagher

Hutson - Parayko
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble

That’s a team with high end talent, and the ability to play the game anyway you want. Lots of size and toughness throughout the lineup, and a good mix of young guys and veterans with skill.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Who is this famous RD that everyone is pining to get?Unless it's Makar it's not going to be make any difference on this team.Why would we give up half our future prospects or draft picks at this time?We are a bottom 10 NHL team .Hughes is not going to and is not ready for this step.It's a rebuild people that has not been rebuilt yet.It's like trying to build a house.Get the foundation and the floor done and try and move in.

If it weren't for Dustin Wolf, such a player would've become available as soon as this summer or next year, but there will be others like him and people need to stop pretending the only ones we are gonna be able to trade for will be signed long term and cost a ton of assets. If we add a premium RD, it will more likely be someone who's heading torwards FA and won't cost a boatload of assets, but rather dishing out a big contract.

 

[sampollock]

Colton Parayko is the man we need. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile, but he’d be the perfect partner for Hutson. He has great skating, size and leadership skills. His cap hit is ridiculously cheap for what he brings, so it would take an overpayment but I think he’s more than worth it for this club to take the next step towards being a playoff contender.

Working on the assumption that the Habs are trading Evans and Armia at the deadline, and the return is a 1st round pick, I would offer Saint Louis:

To Saint Louis:
Mike Matheson
Logan Mailloux
1st round pick acquired from Evans/Armia deal
OR
1st round pick acquired from Calgary
2nd round pick acquired from Pittsburgh
Michael Pezzetta

To Montreal:
Colton Parayko
Alexey Toropchenko

Habs give up a top defenseman, a high end right hand shot prospect, a 1st and a 2nd and a physical fourth liner for a top pair right shot defenseman and a Russian bottom six player with size and skill that can also be a mentor for Demidov.

Sign a center in the UFA market - as always I’m lobbying for Sam Bennett, or a veteran like Granlund, and you’ve got a really nicely balanced group, who shouldn’t have any excuse about making the playoffs.

Lineup looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Demidov - Bennett - Laine
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
Toropchenko - Beck - Newhook
Gallagher

Hutson - Parayko
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble

That’s a team with high end talent, and the ability to play the game anyway you want. Lots of size and toughness throughout the lineup, and a good mix of young guys and veterans with skill.

he is a tougher stay home blocking type of D

 

[DAChampion]

sorry, who you talking about?

Things get confusing when a bunch of posts in a sequence are about "he", it's one of my pet peeves.

They're discussing Logan Mailloux.

 

[Habs Icing]

He won’t though. There’s no way he will ever supplant Hutson as our PP QB. He’s not putting up those numbers being on PP2. And he’ll also be a -20 along with whatever numbers he puts up. Like I said he’s well on his way to becoming a journeyman

Don't look now but -20 is where Hutson is parked. And that's -20 after playing on PP1.

 

[Treb]

Maybe RD is a bigger hole but they have a prospect in their pool who could fill in. 2C they have no one who can fill it for the next two-three years.

I get the feeling HuGo will not fill either hole by TDL. They'll acquire assets by trading their UFAs and wait for the end of the season to make their decisions.

Reinbacher started playing last night. Management will see if he is anywhere close to being promoted next year. If the answer is yes then they'll place all their efforts into acquiring that 2C. If the answer is he will be a top pairing D-man but needs time, they'll work around it and still go for the 2C. If the answer is no he'll never be a top pairing d-man, heads will roll. I'm joking. There's no way they'll be able to tell David is a bust by the end of the season.

So I look for management to go for a 2C this summer.

Is Reinbacher/Mailloux/Konyushkov for top2/4 RD that superior or far ahead to Hage/Dach/Beck/Kapanen for 2C?

There's also 2 RD spot to fill while there is only 1 2C spot.

I do want Hughes to look at 2C as well, but top4 RD has to be the priority.

I wonder if Team Canada management agrees with you?

Not sure how that's relevant here.