HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

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We have some trade chips to get that RD or at least to get assets to get that RD: Matheson, Savard, Mailloux, Steuble, Calgary 1st, our 1st.

I do wonder how Seth Jones with retention would do. I've heard mixed reviews.
We have those same assets to address the 2C position as well. Usually, you trade from one position to fill another, unless you are trading a problem for another team's problem at the same position, hoping that a change of scenery will solve the two problems.

Matheson/Mailloux (or both) + CAL 1st rounder/FLA 1st rounder for a 2C.

Dach + Evans + MON 1st rounder for a RHD.

Ideally, we address the 2C stop-gap with an UFA C that is still able to produce at a high level. That way, we just have more assets to get us that RHD and still keep some draft capital to use at the 2025 draft, whether it is our own 1st round pick, or CAL's/FLA's.

We are, however, definitely not in DAL's position from the Gainey days as GM there, where we would trade Hage (instead of Iginla) for a Nieuwnedyk, for example.

I think that we might well have enough assets to address both positions of need, in a vacuum, but it's always a question of availability of players and the match for our available assets in a trade.

It might well just be easier to address one need this year, and the other next year, using draft picks from 2026 then, to fill the second hole.

Anybody picked in 2025 -- especially of we don't need to trade our own 1st round pick -- will be closer to fitting a Cup window for the Habs than a pick in 2026 might be, especially if we make the playoffs in 2025.

I say, in a vacuum, again, address the 2C position first (bigger impact overall, right now, for the Habs) and address the RD position next year.

Of course, we might only have a suitable candidate for RD available this year (in a trade). At which point, you fill the need at that position via a trade and you look to sign a stop-gap as an UFA in the offseason, or trade for one next year, or sign an UFA C in next year's offseason, making do internally in the meantime.
 
Sounds like Hutson will have to do with Matheson on his weak side :eyeroll:

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IMO, Jones is paid too much at 9.5M, but the five years remaining that bring him through his 35th birthday year is a great fit, IMO. It allows for an interim quality at RD who we draft and develop a replacement five years down the line.

Example, trade for Jones (if he waives his NMC, of course) and pick Mrtka in 2025.

For Jones (1.625M held back to match Suzuki Cap hit):

1st round pick CAL/FLA + 1st round pick pretty sure we would get for Evans + Matheson at 50% + Dach.

Have Mrtka as an eventual pairing partner for Hutson or Guhle, with Reinbacher being the spoils going to the other LHD.

Hope that Hage develops into a top-6 C and look for a stop-gap 2C on the UFA market this offseason.

Caufield - Suzuki - Laine
Slafkovsky - 2C - Demidov
Heineman - Newhook/Beck - Roy
Anderson - Beck/Newhook - Gallagher

Guhle - Carrier
Hutson - Jones
Xhekaj - Reinbacher

Montembeault
Dobes

This team, with a much more solid D-Corps, and an actual 2nd line, definitely sits in the playoff mix and likely makes them, IMO.

Evans is gone but, Beck likely fills in quite well and with both Anderson and Gallagher back, we keep some veteran depth from two players who give 100%.

Laine remains a big question mark and, barring it working out, Montreal will still be left needing a top-6 winger the following year, unless one of Roy or Heineman can fill that hole, or Hage can move up more quickly to the NHL level after a 2nd NCAA season, only at wing?
 
There is no universe where Mailloux would have been considered Top 10.

He isn’t giving much confidence that he is living up to even being a 31st overall.
Likely not top 10 like you say but he was definitely around the middle somewhere...15-25.

So what is Mailloux doing that suggests he's not a 1st round talented defenseman?

The only thing I can come up with is he's still learning the defensive side of the game.....positioning, angles, etc... Given that he missed so much time over the past 2-3 years, I feel what he's doing Laval is quite an achievement.

He's never going to be a defensive wizard, very similar to Lane, but given his terrific offensive instincts and abilities, would those not be of interest to our team?
 
Likely not top 10 like you say but he was definitely around the middle somewhere...15-25.

So what is Mailloux doing that suggests he's not a 1st round talented defenseman?

The only thing I can come up with is he's still learning the defensive side of the game.....positioning, angles, etc... Given that he missed so much time over the past 2-3 years, I feel what he's doing Laval is quite an achievement.

He's never going to be a defensive wizard, very similar to Lane, but given his terrific offensive instincts and abilities, would those not be of interest to our team?
He’s complete shit at defending at the AHL level. He’s not similar to Lane at all, Lane at least gives an effort and has the skating to make up for mistakes. He also doesn’t have much vision, it’s simply a big shot from the point.

Drafting an AHLer at 31 is not my definition of succeeding. Just like Mesar.

You win some and you lose some when picking in the late 1st. But we went an entire decade of Timmins whiffing on those picks and only Beck has shown any semblance of NHL potential from a pick in that range from the new staff.
 
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What needs fixing at this stage is the NHL team, not the pool.
Currently we have Carrier, Matheson/Guhle and Savard as our RDs. We can use Carrier and Matheson next year and just replace Savard with Reinbacher/Mailloux. But I agree we should look for an upgrade as Matheson on right side is far from good solution. Ideally, we trade for some RHD who is young, but already bit NHL proven- Dobson, Nemec, Korczak.
 
He’s complete shit at defending at the AHL level. He’s not similar to Lane at all, Lane at least gives an effort and has the skating to make up for mistakes. He also doesn’t have much vision, it’s simply a big shot from the point.

Drafting an AHLer at 31 is not my definition of succeeding. Just like Mesar.

You win some and you lose some when picking in the late 1st. But we went an entire decade of Timmins whiffing on those picks and only Beck has shown any semblance of NHL potential from a pick in that range from the new staff.
Timmons screwed up more picking #1 picks then I care to remember
 
We have those same assets to address the 2C position as well. Usually, you trade from one position to fill another, unless you are trading a problem for another team's problem at the same position, hoping that a change of scenery will solve the two problems.

Matheson/Mailloux (or both) + CAL 1st rounder/FLA 1st rounder for a 2C.

Dach + Evans + MON 1st rounder for a RHD.

Ideally, we address the 2C stop-gap with an UFA C that is still able to produce at a high level. That way, we just have more assets to get us that RHD and still keep some draft capital to use at the 2025 draft, whether it is our own 1st round pick, or CAL's/FLA's.

We are, however, definitely not in DAL's position from the Gainey days as GM there, where we would trade Hage (instead of Iginla) for a Nieuwnedyk, for example.

I think that we might well have enough assets to address both positions of need, in a vacuum, but it's always a question of availability of players and the match for our available assets in a trade.

It might well just be easier to address one need this year, and the other next year, using draft picks from 2026 then, to fill the second hole.

Anybody picked in 2025 -- especially of we don't need to trade our own 1st round pick -- will be closer to fitting a Cup window for the Habs than a pick in 2026 might be, especially if we make the playoffs in 2025.

I say, in a vacuum, again, address the 2C position first (bigger impact overall, right now, for the Habs) and address the RD position next year.

Of course, we might only have a suitable candidate for RD available this year (in a trade). At which point, you fill the need at that position via a trade and you look to sign a stop-gap as an UFA in the offseason, or trade for one next year, or sign an UFA C in next year's offseason, making do internally in the meantime.

I definitely see getting a rope 6c and a top pair or top 4 RD as our biggest needs.

My sense is HuGo will fill strike for either when the opportunity arises, and that they are ready with their hand in the trigger for either.

We'll see what becomes available. Maybe we use both 1sts at the draft for those types of players, including trading up, to get those type as of players...will be interesting...definitely still have to prioritize at least the medium term, if not the long term. It's time for Suzuki and the crew to start winning and not going through losing season after losing season..
 
He’s complete shit at defending at the AHL level. He’s not similar to Lane at all, Lane at least gives an effort and has the skating to make up for mistakes. He also doesn’t have much vision, it’s simply a big shot from the point.

Drafting an AHLer at 31 is not my definition of succeeding. Just like Mesar.

You win some and you lose some when picking in the late 1st. But we went an entire decade of Timmins whiffing on those picks and only Beck has shown any semblance of NHL potential from a pick in that range from the new staff.
Is he really that bad?

You have people with the team and media talking about how much he's improved over the past two seasons in his defensive play. I think everyone knows he's not going to be Shea Weber out there but possibly adequate enough that if he's paired properly, he could be an effective NHL'er.

I'd just hate to give up on a kid that has that much offensive potential from the backend after playing less than 200 games over the past 4 years.
 
I think a 2C is the more pressing need over a RD right now. Matheson has been serviceable as a second pair RD. Many teams are looking for that top4 RD, so it isn't a huge weakness in comparison right now. We do not have an adequate 2C right now, though. I would like to revamp our second line completely for next year.
 
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Is he really that bad?

You have people with the team and media talking about how much he's improved over the past two seasons in his defensive play. I think everyone knows he's not going to be Shea Weber out there but possibly adequate enough that if he's paired properly, he could be an effective NHL'er.

I'd just hate to give up on a kid that has that much offensive potential from the backend after playing less than 200 games over the past 4 years.

They won't.

This fan bases patience isn't visible with a high powered microscope.

The management team has way more patience than that.
 
Is he really that bad?

You have people with the team and media talking about how much he's improved over the past two seasons in his defensive play. I think everyone knows he's not going to be Shea Weber out there but possibly adequate enough that if he's paired properly, he could be an effective NHL'er.

I'd just hate to give up on a kid that has that much offensive potential from the backend after playing less than 200 games over the past 4 years.
He’s pretty damn bad. He’ll be a trade chip for this management, who did not draft him.
 
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They won't.

This fan bases patience isn't visible with a high powered microscope.

The management team has way more patience than that.
What do we need patience for? He’s always been a horrible defender and he can’t even defend well in the AHL. Unless he does a complete 180, which his lack of IQ shows us it’s unlikely, then he’ll be a journeyman Tony DeAngelo type at best.
 
I think a 2C is the more pressing need over a RD right now. Matheson has been serviceable as a second pair RD. Many teams are looking for that top4 RD, so it isn't a huge weakness in comparison right now. We do not have an adequate 2C right now, though. I would like to revamp our second line completely for next year.
You have a good point. A lot of teams have the same problem with their defense right side. RHD is a rare commodity, let alone top 4 RHD. That's why I think if the opportunity presents itself, it's ok to overpay for it when you have the pieces to make it happens, like the Habs do.
 
DVO:
"I would definitely like to stay. I like the guys on this team, I like playing here, and I wouldn't be against the idea of coming back to play in Montreal after this season. It's an honor to wear this team's jersey. We'll see what happens."

OH HELL NO! We will take the 7th round pick in 2029 instead thx.

...yeah...FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS is the way to go here, imo...
 
What do we need patience for? He’s always been a horrible defender and he can’t even defend well in the AHL. Unless he does a complete 180, which his lack of IQ shows us it’s unlikely, then he’ll be a journeyman Tony DeAngelo type at best.

If Evan Bouchard can figure it out, Logan Mailloux certainly can. He still has another year of AHL eligibility and with all the missed time for many different reasons, did anyone think that he was gonna go from bad at defending in the OHL to being a strong NHL defender in his 2nd AHL year?
 

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