HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

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Reading the last 2 pages , it’s crazy how a few posters that went crazy with drafting reinbacher, a rd go on and on about how impossible it is to find rd and that we would have to trade half the farm to get a decent one
Ok I give the win to you guys on that one. RHD who can play on the first pair don’t cost that much. I am wrong (not being sarcastic here I am overrating those kind of player).
 
RD is a much bigger hole than C.

I'm perplexed why anyone would see C as a more pressing need.

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I agree that RD is a bigger hole than 2C, but i'm starting to believe that 1G might be the more pressing need if they want to start competing next season.

Montembeault is proving that he's clearly not 1G material. He's 1b at best.
Dobes is still too erratic and needs more time to develop.

They're gonna have to find someone better to bridge the gap to when Fowler is ready, if he ever is.
Otherwise they risk becoming the next Buffalo Sabres.
 
Depends on what one expects of Reinbacher and Dach.

Not really.

We already have a 1C.

We only have a 3RD (Carrier)

If none of our prospects hit, RD is the weakest position.

Then it's Hage/Beck/Kapanen vs Reinbacher/Mailloux/Konyushkov

If the Habs are to be contenders, they need 2 of the RD to hit as top4 RD. They only need one 2C from the prospects and IF Dach and Newhook don't hit.
 
I agree that RD is a bigger hole than 2C, but i'm starting to believe that 1G might be the more pressing need if they want to start competing next season.

Montembeault is proving that he's clearly not 1G material. He's 1b at best.
Dobes is still too erratic and needs more time to develop.

They're gonna have to find someone better to bridge the gap to when Fowler is ready, if he ever is.
Otherwise they risk becoming the next Buffalo Sabres.

I disagree with that assessment.

25/26 Monty and Dobes/Primeau
26/27 Monty and Dobes/Primeau
27/28 Dobes/Primeau and Fowler

Fits perfectly with the Monty contract and let Dobes, Fowler and Volohkhin develop without pressure.

Once again, I think it's a case of ''Goalinis Kneejerkis''.
 
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I disagree with that assessment.

25/26 Monty and Dobes/Primeau
26/27 Monty and Dobes/Primeau
27/28 Dobes/Primeau and Fowler

Fits perfectly with the Monty contract and let Dobes, Fowler and Volohkhin develop without pressure.

Once again, I think it's a case of ''Goalinis Kneejerkis''.
What's ''Goalinis Kneejerkis''?

Are you saying you still don't have a big enough sample size on Montembeault?

Habs are not gonna make the playoffs for a long time with that plan in G.
Doesn't make sense to not improve in goal sooner if the rest of the team is good enough to make the playoffs.
 
What's ''Goalinis Kneejerkis''?

Are you saying you still don't have a big enough sample size on Montembeault?

Habs are not gonna make the playoffs for a long time with that plan in G.
Doesn't make sense to not improve in goal sooner if the rest of the team is good enough to make the playoffs.

...the team ISN'T making the Playoffs this year...probably not next year...so there isn't much of an incentive to "worry" about Goaltending at this point when we have more pressing needs atm...we have Dobes, who can hopefully continue to improve...Fowler looks good...I imagine that's what he means...
 
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...the team ISN'T making the Playoffs this year...probably not next year...so there isn't much of an incentive to "worry" about Goaltending at this point when we have more pressing needs atm...we have Dobes, who can hopefully continue to improve...Fowler looks good...I imagine that's what he means...
Of course they're not making the playoffs this season.
They're gonna get a pass this season but people's patience is starting to wear thin.

Some people already wanted MSL to be fired not that long ago.
I think they want to make the playoffs internally anyway, so it's not just a matter of external pressure.

But they're not gonna if they don't fix the goaltending situation.
It was fine while they were ''rebuilding'' but they'll need to get some stability there.
 
What's ''Goalinis Kneejerkis''?

Are you saying you still don't have a big enough sample size on Montembeault?

Habs are not gonna make the playoffs for a long time with that plan in G.
Doesn't make sense to not improve in goal sooner if the rest of the team is good enough to make the playoffs.

I'm saying that in the almost 14 years I've been here, Habs fans have always been having irrational knee jerk reactions to every single Habs goalie.

Spending assets on G is a sure way to lower the Habs contention window.
 
He’s the only physical dmen Colorado has and has a 12 team no trade clause, I bet we are on it.
Maybe yes. He's still an interesting target price-wise who could stop-gap until Reinbacher establishes himself.

Are we talking RD because we've settled on our 2C? :sarcasm:
I think they've been talking about it, because they gave up on the 2C, eh.
 
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I'm saying that in the almost 14 years I've been here, Habs fans have always been having irrational knee jerk reactions to every single Habs goalie.

Spending assets on G is a sure way to lower the Habs contention window.
Sure there are always irrational reactions, i'll give you that.
But i don't think that should give Montembeault immunity to fair criticism.

Like i said, it was ok to give him some leash to prove himself while rebuilding.
But how many more years should they give him to prove he's a legit 1G?
Don't you think he's had enough time already?
I'd argue that he's proven he's not.

If Habs want to take the next step, he's not good enough. He's gonna hold them back.

I'm sure they can find another goalie to at least challenge him for 1G without breaking the bank. They have to at least try.
What did it cost to get guys like Logan Thompson or Anthony Stolarz?
 
Sure there are always irrational reactions, i'll give you that.
But i don't think that should give Montembeault immunity to fair criticism.

Like i said, it was ok to give him some leash to prove himself while rebuilding.
But how many more years should they give him to prove he's a legit 1G?
Don't you think he's had enough time already?
I'd argue that he's proven he's not.

If Habs want to take the next step, he's not good enough. He's gonna hold them back.

I'm sure they can find another goalie to at least challenge him for 1G without breaking the bank. They have to at least try.
What did it cost to get guys like Logan Thompson or Anthony Stolarz?

I don't think Montembeault is immune to criticism.

I also don't think he'll be there past 2027.

I don't think spending assets on a G in that 2 years time frame make sense.
 
I don't think Montembeault is immune to criticism.
But you called it ''Goalinis Kneejerkis'', even if he's been here for a good while now.
I also don't think he'll be there past 2027.
Then why keep him as the 1G if you already know he has no future with the Habs?
I don't think spending assets on a G in that 2 years time frame make sense.
Yeah, goaltending is just the most important position in hockey...

I don't think wasting the next 2 years with subpar goaltending just to save an asset that they probably don't need makes sense.
But maybe that's just me.
 
Expensive and he's on a downward path. Also has a full NMC.
Yes but that is what makes his contract appealing.. we need a 2C, and he is def good enough for the next 2 years.. then the final 2 years he becomes an "expensive" 3C . But cmon, intangibles alone = Captained cup teams. He's not some scrub like Dvo..
 
Not really.

We already have a 1C.

We only have a 3RD (Carrier)

If none of our prospects hit, RD is the weakest position.

Then it's Hage/Beck/Kapanen vs Reinbacher/Mailloux/Konyushkov

If the Habs are to be contenders, they need 2 of the RD to hit as top4 RD. They only need one 2C from the prospects and IF Dach and Newhook don't hit.
We should really strenghten our RHD prospect pool. I do not count Carrier as long-term solution. As you said, he is 3D on a better team I want somebody who is bigger and hard to play against in that role. Konyushkov is the same type of player. We really need Reinbacher to pan out, Mailloux is probably 3D. Maybe, Engstrom could be the solution as he can play right side, but that means we rely on 100% success rate (Reinbacher, Engstrom, Mailloux) which would be totally insane. And I am not even saying that they have 8 games of NHL experience combined.
 
On the topic of adding RHD, is anyone very familiar with Louis Crevier in Chicago?

The guy's a 23 year old, 6 foot 8 RHD from Quebec. I know Chicago probably isn't in any rush to move him, but his +/- intrigues me from the outside looking in. He's a -1, but he has the best +/- on the team out of all skaters with 20+ games played this season.
 
Habs need a tough RD to play against
Luke Schenn.

Not much term, leader, spot filler for Reinbacher, Mailloux, or potentially a RD the Habs draft high this year, if they do draft a dman with their pick.

Physical, tough. Might be an option for Hutson as Schenn has no problem being hyper focus on the defensive side. Also someone there to kick names and take ass if someone messes with him, but also another weapon should a game turn into a street fight.
Seth Jones would be interesting
About as interesting as taken laxatives.
How about Josh Manson?
He wouldn't be bad, but can't imagine the Avs are looking to move him.
 

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