HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[eklund the clown]

Hughes is not trading Slaf,Reinbacher Suzuki,Caufield ,Mailloux . He said so himself that he is not going to venture away from the process . He MAY take another bad contract or trade draft picks but that's about it in my opinion . Now if Pettersson or a 1C comes along that's another story.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

A name to keep a eye for is Ryan Chesley from New Jersey Devils...He was Hutson partner for a couple of years.

I think you're thinking of Seamus Casey.

And neither was Hutson's d partner.

 

[vokiel]

I think you're thinking of Seamus Casey.

And neither was Hutson's d partner.

I hope not, too many smurfs ain't good for our health.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Laine for whatever they can grab without keeping salary $

Laine without retention, or at least a significantly bad contract coming back, is untradable right now. The Habs best bet to move him will be at the 2026 TDL with 50% retention.

 

[tazsub3]

I would hope so, but some here are "ok" with the idea of adding one of them in the deal.

Yea but your avg hf board level gm ing is gone with bergevin

 

[Runner77]

I dont think you can pay Evans 4 mill a year for a 4th line centre. that money will not work in trying to build the top 2 scoring lines or get a top 4 RD
and when you pay a Gally his big money for a broken down 3 rd liner

Evans will have to go.

Not necessarily. Pay him $4M, (assuming that’s his market value), defer say $1.5M, cap hit becomes 2.5M.

That’s how Hughes should attempt to structure every contract under the new higher salary cap ceilings over the next 3 years — provided of course, a player is willing. Probably easier to do with higher salaried players, but still worth a try.

These players have done it:

« Four players—the Hurricanes' Jacob Slavin and Seth Jarvis, the Maple Leafs' Jake McCabe, and the Ducks' Frank Vatrano—have accepted deferred compensation as part of new contracts or extensions since July 1. »

That’s what Patrice Bergeron should have done rather than foolishly accept a low salary.

Beats putting players on LTIR every year to create AAV room.

This is also a good way to have new contracts not exceed Suzuki’s AAV — offer to pay any excess market value as deferred compensation.

 

[Kimota]

Evans and a low 1st for Nemac.

Brah, that would be amazing but I don't think it's doable.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

No to Zegras. They should move on from the “reclamation projects” window. They need to add stability.

Laine can be moved next TDL with retention and no term.

Trading one reclamation project for another is nothing dramatic. Aside from prime assets, we should be willing to shake the deck.

 

[jellybeans]

Dach + Mailloux for Cozens + a pick

Laine for whatever they can grab without keeping salary $

A couple weeks ago maybe we could of got something for Laine now you'll have to pay to get rid of him.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Not necessarily. Pay him $4M, (assuming that’s his market value), defer say $1.5M, cap hit becomes 2.5M.

That’s how Hughes should attempt to structure every contract under the new higher salary cap ceilings over the next 3 years — provided of course, a player is willing. Probably easier to do with higher salaried players, but still worth a try.

These players have done it:

« Four players—the Hurricanes' Jacob Slavin and Seth Jarvis, the Maple Leafs' Jake McCabe, and the Ducks' Frank Vatrano—have accepted deferred compensation as part of new contracts or extensions since July 1. »

That’s what Patrice Bergeron should have done rather than foolishly accept a low salary.

Beats putting players on LTIR every year to create AAV room.

This is also a good way to have new contracts not exceed Suzuki’s AAV — offer to pay any excess market value as deferred compensation.

It's not that they are desperate for cap space, next year Price and Laine come off the books, the year after Gally and Anderson and the cap is going up much more than that 4 millions every year.

 

[Runner77]

Who else can we swap Dach for?

That’s our best top 6 piece to dangle in a package to nab a top 6 center or top RHD.

What to add to Dach is a matter of negotiation but if it has become clear that Dach does not have the attributes to play centre, then he’s that much more easily replaceable. His age, size and/or maybe the belief that he can still be a center, can be valuable to the right counterpart.

 

[Runner77]

It's not that they are desperate for cap space, next year Price and Laine come off the books, the year after Gally and Anderson and the cap is going up much more than that 4 millions every year.

It’s not about next year or the year after, it’s about laying down a foundation on long term deals such that in your contention window years, you will have created AAV room when you need it the most.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Not necessarily. Pay him $4M, (assuming that’s his market value), defer say $1.5M, cap hit becomes 2.5M.

That’s how Hughes should attempt to structure every contract under the new higher salary cap ceilings over the next 3 years — provided of course, a player is willing. Probably easier to do with higher salaried players, but still worth a try.

These players have done it:

« Four players—the Hurricanes' Jacob Slavin and Seth Jarvis, the Maple Leafs' Jake McCabe, and the Ducks' Frank Vatrano—have accepted deferred compensation as part of new contracts or extensions since July 1. »

That’s what Patrice Bergeron should have done rather than foolishly accept a low salary.

Beats putting players on LTIR every year to create AAV room.

This is also a good way to have new contracts not exceed Suzuki’s AAV — offer to pay any excess market value as deferred compensation.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Otherwise it'd be easy to circumvent the cap.

 

[26Mats]

If Zegras is available for cheap, say a 2nd, Struble, and Mesar, is he worth taking a Flyer on?

 

[Runner77]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Otherwise it'd be easy to circumvent the cap.

It’s allowed by the CBA and it results in lower AAV, I just gave a simplified example. Players are incentivized to use it for tax considerations. As BobbyMac noted:

« A player in a high tax jurisdiction, for example, could defer significant amounts of money beyond the playing term of the contract and if, after he stops playing, he moves to a lower-tax jurisdiction, there are significant tax savings on the deferred monies. »

The way to calculate the impact on AAV is more complex but can limit it. It’s not cap circumvention when it’s allowed by the CBA.

 

[JRichard]

If Zegras is available for cheap, say a 2nd, Struble, and Mesar, is he worth taking a Flyer on?

Sure but if he is available that offer is beaten by 30 teams.

 

[Deus ex machina]

It’s allowed by the CBA and it results in lower AAV, I just gave a simplified example. Players are incentivized to use it for tax considerations. As BobbyMac noted:

« A player in a high tax jurisdiction, for example, could defer significant amounts of money beyond the playing term of the contract and if, after he stops playing, he moves to a lower-tax jurisdiction, there are significant tax savings on the deferred monies. »

The way to calculate the impact on AAV is more complex but can limit it. It’s not cap circumvention when it’s allowed by the CBA.

Yes, that's right.
I'm just saying the way you described it, it'd be cap circumvention if this was allowed.
Teams don't save all the deferred money on the cap.

Otherwise Seth Javis' cap hit would be about 6M instead of 7.42M.

So i guesstimate that Evans would have a cap hit of about 3.6M instead of the 2.5M in your example.

 

[Runner77]

Yes, that's right.
I'm just saying the way you described it, it'd be cap circumvention if this was allowed.
Teams don't save all the deferred money on the cap.

Otherwise Seth Javis' cap hit would be about 6M instead of 7.42M.

So i guesstimate that Evans would have a cap hit of about 3.6M instead of the 2.5M in your example.

If you meant the math part, you’re right. It’s more complex than that but there is an impact on AAV and it’s allowed — since we’re in a high tax jurisdiction, seems like a fitting tool for KH to attempt to use.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Where's a wild one:

BUF gets:
Dach
2nd

NYI get:
Cozens
Matheson (50% retained)

MTL get:
Dobson

 

[Deus ex machina]

If you meant the math part, you’re right. It’s more complex than that but there is an impact on AAV and it’s allowed — since we’re in a high tax jurisdiction, seems like a fitting tool for KH to attempt to use.

Or course it's allowed, as shown with the Jarvis contract.
Just saying that it's not as avantageous for the teams as you made it out to be, otherwise pretty much all contracts would be structured like that.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

9M still seems high for Bennett but maybeeee if it’s on a 1 or 2 year deal

Would it really hurt us to pay him 9mil next year if we have the cap space anyways?

 

[Guiness time]

9M still seems high for Bennett but maybeeee if it’s on a 1 or 2 year deal

Would it really hurt us to pay him 9mil next year if we have the cap space anyways?

9M for a career high 49 points? Then I guess Evans is cheap at 5.5M after all!

 

[Whalers Fan]

It's not that they are desperate for cap space, next year Price and Laine come off the books, the year after Gally and Anderson and the cap is going up much more than that 4 millions every year.

NM. I read the post incorrectly.

 

[Runner77]

Or course it's allowed, as shown with the Jarvis contract.
Just saying that it's not as avantageous for the teams as you made it out to be, otherwise pretty much all contracts would be structured like that.

I’m not sure why it’s not being used a lot more. It’s not a sine qua non correlation that all contracts should be structured like that since it takes a player willing to defer. I could understand players in very favorable tax jurisdictions not being inclined. It should however be an attractive option to players in a highly taxed location such as ours.

Only reason I responded with it’s allowed is that you alluded to cap circumvention earlier.

I don’t know that it’s not advantageous, it could just be that it was a little used provision that could get more mileage. We’ll see, I guess.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

9M for a career high 49 points? Then I guess Evans is cheap at 5.5M after all!

But for one year why care if we have 15 mil in cap space?

Would you rather have the cap space or an overpaid Bennett?