HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

I disagree that he's not a 3C league-wide, he'd be a 3C on a lot of the teams currently holding a playoff spot in the NHL.

And more than 4M AAV where the cap is going, is not a lot of money for a 3C.

We have to stop thinking of salary/cap hits, with how it was under a flat cap.

I agree that 4M AAV is indeed very OK for 3C (in a 100M cap world, allocating 10-15M for the entire third line seems appropriate) but I doubt Evans would be in the right chair on a contending team at that position.

He’s currently in his best season by a wide margin and he’s nevertheless 99th in points amongst listed C league-wide; so basically an elite 4C on a contending roster.
 
I agree that 4M AAV is indeed very OK for 3C (in a 100M cap world, allocating 10-15M for the entire third line seems appropriate) but I doubt Evans would be in the right chair on a contending team at that position.

He’s currently in his best season by a wide margin and he’s nevertheless 99th in points amongst listed C league-wide; so basically an elite 4C on a contending roster.
Let’s not gloss over the fact he’s in a good situation despite being on a shit team. Not a lot of 4th line centres have wingers like Armia and Heineman with them.
 
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I agree that 4M AAV is indeed very OK for 3C (in a 100M cap world, allocating 10-15M for the entire third line seems appropriate) but I doubt Evans would be in the right chair on a contending team at that position.

He’s currently in his best season by a wide margin and he’s nevertheless 99th in points amongst listed C league-wide; so basically an elite 4C on a contending roster.
I've brought this point up for two years running at the very least. Jake Evans has benefited from a weak injured center line for over three seasons now. If anyone cares to research his actual performance as a 4C during his time here after returning from that Post Season concussion his numbers are abysmal. People insist on calling him a 4C when in reality he has been nowhere near that role after Monahan went down and then both Dach and Dvorak went down the following seasons. Does anyone doubt Dvorak was our 4C this season while Evans actually got 2C minutes many nights. We can't pay Evans for a role he won't be playing...
 
I agree that 4M AAV is indeed very OK for 3C (in a 100M cap world, allocating 10-15M for the entire third line seems appropriate) but I doubt Evans would be in the right chair on a contending team at that position.

He’s currently in his best season by a wide margin and he’s nevertheless 99th in points amongst listed C league-wide; so basically an elite 4C on a contending roster.
But that's all relative...not every contending team is strong down the middle.

I think he'd be a no doubt 3C on a Dallas Stars team or Toronto Maple Leafs or Carolina Hurricanes or New Jersey Devil.
 
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If we can only sign one of them, would you rather have Armia or Olivier?

Heineman-X-Anderson
Olivier/Armia-Beck-Gallagher

is the bottom 6 I'm expecting for next year. X will likely be Newhook, but he's going to have to completely change his game and be a defensive player who can forecheck like crazy and win draws. I'd still like to trade him and get someone that's a better fit.
 
If we can only sign one of them, would you rather have Armia or Olivier?

Heineman-X-Anderson
Olivier/Armia-Beck-Gallagher

is the bottom 6 I'm expecting for next year. X will likely be Newhook, but he's going to have to completely change his game and be a defensive player who can forecheck like crazy and win draws. I'd still like to trade him and get someone that's a better fit.
Is that a real question?
 
If we can only sign one of them, would you rather have Armia or Olivier?

Heineman-X-Anderson
Olivier/Armia-Beck-Gallagher

is the bottom 6 I'm expecting for next year. X will likely be Newhook, but he's going to have to completely change his game and be a defensive player who can forecheck like crazy and win draws. I'd still like to trade him and get someone that's a better fit.
Olivier for me

We need that physicality
 
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If we can only sign one of them, would you rather have Armia or Olivier?

Heineman-X-Anderson
Olivier/Armia-Beck-Gallagher

is the bottom 6 I'm expecting for next year. X will likely be Newhook, but he's going to have to completely change his game and be a defensive player who can forecheck like crazy and win draws. I'd still like to trade him and get someone that's a better fit.
I think I'd prefer Armia at like 2M on a short term deal than Olivier at 3.5M for 4 years.
 
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If we can only sign one of them, would you rather have Armia or Olivier?

Heineman-X-Anderson
Olivier/Armia-Beck-Gallagher

is the bottom 6 I'm expecting for next year. X will likely be Newhook, but he's going to have to completely change his game and be a defensive player who can forecheck like crazy and win draws. I'd still like to trade him and get someone that's a better fit.
Olivier by far way younger ...he fights ....not afraid to go to the front of the net.....already has over 200 hits and also kills penalties.
 
Is that a real question?
Yes it is. Both have their pros and cons.
I think I'd prefer Armia at like 2M on a short term deal than Olivier at 3.5M for 4 years.
I don't think their future contracts will be that different compared to one another.
Olivier by far way younger ...he fights ....not afraid to go to the front of the net.....already has over 200 hits and also kills penalties.
Olivier is nowhere near the penalty killer Armia is, and he's not as good offensively either. I do like the idea of having a crash and bang 4th liner that is way more consistent, but to ignore Armia's PK abilities would be foolish.
 
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Armia, at his age, is just a filler, as the team won't be relevant while he is still here on another contract.

I'd rather have someone who will transcend the remaining no-go period and be dependable even while we round out into a contender.
 
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Armia and Evans are going to get PAID by either San Jose or Chicago this summer
Can the Habs count on Beck and Heineman to fill the void ?

Yes it is. Both have their pros and cons.

I don't think their future contracts will be that different compared to one another.

Olivier is nowhere near the penalty killer Armia is, and he's not as good offensively either. I do like the idea of having a crash and bang 4th liner that is way more consistent, but to ignore Armia's PK abilities would be foolish.
Olivier as an « A » on his jersey in Columbus. They gonna keep him for sure.
 
How exactly is Laine a good trade chip lol
not sure about you, but when Habs were in playoffs acquiring a player like Laine for a playoff run is very valuable, something our team would gladly trade a prospect and late 1st for. I rather like Laine however, and feel he fits our team nicely - but only at the team cap of $7M. If he's willing to resign for that amount say for 7 years I'd sign him. If he wants more than that, then I'd look to trade him this year or next.
 
not sure about you, but when Habs were in playoffs acquiring a player like Laine for a playoff run is very valuable, something our team would gladly trade a prospect and late 1st for. I rather like Laine however, and feel he fits our team nicely - but only at the team cap of $7M. If he's willing to resign for that amount say for 7 years I'd sign him. If he wants more than that, then I'd look to trade him this year or next.
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...unless Laine MAGICALLY rediscovers his Mojo, the Habs either need to trade him at next year's deadline or just let him walk if we can't get anything for him...he's not the answer, at least THIS version of him isn't...
 
If we are in a world that we have to pay 4m a year for a 4th liner that sucks when he has the puck then perhaps find someone else cheaper. Sorry learning to play PK is easy. Pacioretty did it , anyone can.

I have no problem having a Kapanen Beck + a veteran winger as a 4th line.
Any decent NHL player can kill a penalty with success. Also the most important players on the PK are the goalie and the 2 dmen. We might be good on the PK that's because we are last in the league in Penalties taken also. Easier to be good when your always on the f***ing PK.

This team should look like that next season

Caufield-Suzuki-Demidov
Laine-???-Slafovsky find a f***ing center that can play offensively
Newhook-Dach-Heineman
???-Beck-Kapanen add a 4th line veteran
 
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not sure about you, but when Habs were in playoffs acquiring a player like Laine for a playoff run is very valuable, something our team would gladly trade a prospect and late 1st for. I rather like Laine however, and feel he fits our team nicely - but only at the team cap of $7M. If he's willing to resign for that amount say for 7 years I'd sign him. If he wants more than that, then I'd look to trade him this year or next.
All spéculation, but blue for Laine will only become significant if he has a good start to the year, next year, and is significantly better at 5 on 5, IMO.

If he does have a good start to the season, stays healthy and produces a even strength, I would also consider extending him as a complementary piece for the top-6 (or even top-9), if he takes a significant pay cut from his current 8.7M.
 
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