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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

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overlords said:
The main draw back on Cozens seems to be similar to Dach, a lot of people wonder whether he's even a center. Actually I've probably heard more concerns about Cozens in that regard than Dach. Cozens is more of a shooter but a really hard worker. TBH I think they'd look pretty good together on a line, similar to how Anderson has helped Dach recently.

I like cozens but I feel like his greatest perceived value is being the next guy traded out of buffalo. His cap hit is high for a guy with two meh seasons post contract signing.
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I think Cozens would be far better as a winger. He's never had great vision or been a good playmaker. I'd immediately move him to right wing if we got him. Move Newhook to 3rd line, Gallagher to 4th & Armia out the door.
 
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26Mats said:
I'd love to get a really good 2c to center Demidov and Laine, and then have Newhook - Dach - Anderson.

But not sure we can get such a 2c without giving up Dach...

A 2c that HuGo think is the real deal, I would expect would cost a lot. But better to spend a lot for the real deal than something mediocre.
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that is the key
a 2nd line centre that is hard nosed to play against and can pass like crazy
 
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Vachon23 said:
If he plays with Demidov though ?
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Yeah, I guess if he has a great playmaker on his wing, he could be a scoring center. He's much better than Dach at faceoffs, and is way more physical. Defensively, he is only a slight upgrade than Dach, but some of that is also the result of terrible defensive play by his D, and poor goaltending. Cozens is a hard worker, it's possible he comes around.

Overall, I think he's an upgrade on Dach regardless.

23 of his 27 pts are at 5 on 5, so he isn't getting PP points. He plays a much more well rounded game than Dach.

I'm not worried about his salary at all. We have all of Savard, Dvorak, Armia & Evans coming off the cap. That's $13.05m. And, another $4.27m in retained salary coming off the books. That's $17.32m total, and we have the cap going up $7.5 next year. That's more than $24m.

If he is available, I'd trade for him & move on from Dach.

Beck/Kapanen can fight over #3 spot. Then sign a vet center for 4th line.
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Yeah, I guess if he has a great playmaker on his wing, he could be a scoring center. He's much better than Dach at faceoffs, and is way more physical. Defensively, he is only a slight upgrade than Dach, but some of that is also the result of terrible defensive play by his D, and poor goaltending. Cozens is a hard worker, it's possible he comes around.

Overall, I think he's an upgrade on Dach regardless.

23 of his 27 pts are at 5 on 5, so he isn't getting PP points. He plays a much more well rounded game than Dach.

I'm not worried about his salary at all. We have all of Savard, Dvorak, Armia & Evans coming off the cap. That's $13.05m. And, another $4.27m in retained salary coming off the books. That's $17.32m total, and we have the cap going up $7.5 next year. That's more than $24m.

If he is available, I'd trade for him & move on from Dach.

Beck/Kapanen can fight over #3 spot. Then sign a vet center for 4th line.
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I've always been impressed with Cozens speed when he plays for Team Canada in international tournaments. He can fly. The Habs could use more high-end speed and especially up the middle.
 
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Hockeyfan200 said:
and carolina can be like no because they can keep his right forever as a Russian prospect
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Hence why I said play chicken. Both Nikishin (NHL career and salary) and Carolina (either a player or value) have something to lose by Nikishin holding out, so it's the first one that flinches.

Nikishin can also wait until he's 26 years old, sign for 1 year and then turn UFA when he's 27.
 
HuGo Sham said:
so you don't value him and don't know him but are giving up the equivalent of 3 1sts and another 22 y.o d-man for him? ok.
I'll just add that I agree HuGo has the assets to "overpay" for a needed piece.
I don't think that piece is Cozens - at the expense of potentially important future assets.
I still value Mailloux as a RD and Montreal's first may end up nabbing us Desnoyers for instance.
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I'm not giving up anything, because I'm not the GM. Media reports are Habs are Hans are interested. My post was to point out we can put together a package to get him - if HuGo see him as that piece.
 
MarkovsKnee said:
I'd take a chance on him. Another guy is Filip Hallander (LC). He's still Pittsburgh RFA, but doesn't have a contract. He's playing with Kapanen for Timra.
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He has a contract until 2028 in Sweden, so he's probably back there for good.

Although there were rumours in December that the Penguins were looking at bringing him back so who knows.

I'm not sure where he would fit though fighting with Beck, Kapanen and any vet we get to replace Evans.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
I've always been impressed with Cozens speed when he plays for Team Canada in international tournaments. He can fly. The Habs could use more high-end speed and especially up the middle.
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Yes, good point. He's big, fast & physical. He's 50% on faceoffs, so not a complete liability there. He's also playing with lousy wingers, and is backed up by porous goaltending. I think there's growth potential to be a 30g, 30a player.

He's still an upgrade on Dach due to all the other intangibles that he brings that Dach doesn't.
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Yes, good point. He's big, fast & physical. He's 50% on faceoffs, so not a complete liability there. He's also playing with lousy wingers, and is backed up by porous goaltending. I think there's growth potential to be a 30g, 30a player.

He's still an upgrade on Dach due to all the other intangibles that he brings that Dach doesn't.
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Salary?
 
sampollock said:
Salary?
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We have $24m this offseason, and the cap is growing to $104m the season after that then $113m the following season.

His salary is a non-issue. It's going to be 2nd line value really really soon, as the top guys get $14m-$16m. First line players $10m-13m.

When the cap rises to $104m, Price's contract ends. When it rises to $113m, Anderson's & Gallagher's contracts end (combined $12m).
 
Would we trade Slaf if we get Lafreniere coming back?

I mean if the Rangers are dumb enough to trade Laf.. I'm not against fielding offers and three-ways :D
 
Why would Buffalo trade Cozens?
I don’t think they are far from making the playoffs and actually have success.

What the management team needs to do is to identify good veterans and/or players with the right amount of intangibles( playoffs experience, toughness, resiliency) to help the team pass the bumps preventing them being successful.

Buffalo has drafted 38 times the last 4 drafts, which many are trending upwards, and 10 draft picks this coming draft. There are probably something they can come up with if the UFAs route isn’t successful.
 
BozoTheClown said:
Why would Buffalo trade Cozens?
I don’t think they are far from making the playoffs and actually have success.

What the management team needs to do is to identify good veterans and/or players with the right amount of intangibles( playoffs experience, toughness, resiliency) to help the team pass the bumps preventing them being successful.

Buffalo has drafted 38 times the last 4 drafts, which many are trending upwards, and 10 draft picks this coming draft. There are probably something they can come up with if the UFAs route isn’t successful.
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Who knows with Buffalo. They are currently playing him on the third line.
 
BozoTheClown said:
Why would Buffalo trade Cozens?
I don’t think they are far from making the playoffs and actually have success.

What the management team needs to do is to identify good veterans and/or players with the right amount of intangibles( playoffs experience, toughness, resiliency) to help the team pass the bumps preventing them being successful.

Buffalo has drafted 38 times the last 4 drafts, which many are trending upwards, and 10 draft picks this coming draft. There are probably something they can come up with if the UFAs route isn’t successful.
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Because their owner, despite the crying theatrics when he bought the team, only cares about the Bills. He basically bought the hockey team to push development around the arena to make coin. He’ll try his hardest to save money when it comes to hockey.

Plus it’s Buffalo, all they do is ruin good players.
 
le_sean said:
Because their owner, despite the crying theatrics when he bought the team, only cares about the Bills. He basically bought the hockey team to push development around the arena to make coin. He’ll try his hardest to save money when it comes to hockey.

Plus it’s Buffalo, all they do is ruin good players.
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Goalfield13 said:
Who knows with Buffalo. They are currently playing him on the third line.
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It’s very unfortunate, they have an above average top 4 defence, good skill up front with 6 guys capable of scoring 25 goals. They are extremely close to be a top 10 team.
 
MarkovsKnee said:
Yes, good point. He's big, fast & physical. He's 50% on faceoffs, so not a complete liability there. He's also playing with lousy wingers, and is backed up by porous goaltending. I think there's growth potential to be a 30g, 30a player.

He's still an upgrade on Dach due to all the other intangibles that he brings that Dach doesn't.
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I wonder if a change of scenery for Cozens would do him wonders as well. Get Bureau working with him on the draws. :)
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Yes, good point. He's big, fast & physical. He's 50% on faceoffs, so not a complete liability there. He's also playing with lousy wingers, and is backed up by porous goaltending. I think there's growth potential to be a 30g, 30a player.

He's still an upgrade on Dach due to all the other intangibles that he brings that Dach doesn't.
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His compete and overall game are undoubtedly better than Dach's, but at the end of the day, he's getting paid over twice as much and hasn't really produced much outside of one season.

Dach/Newhook+something that isn't too expensive would be fine, but I'm not adding multiple assets for him.

Hughes needs to steer clear from these types of projects unless it's a hockey trade, we've already gotten burned by giving up assets for Dach and Newhook even if Dach was also technically a hockey trade.

He likely won't be traded, but I'd give up an arm and a leg for Tage Thompson. I doubt he's happy there.
 
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