HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[MarkJ]

No trades yet? Boring thread.

maybe they made them but will announce only after the 4 nations. Only then you can buy #87 Habs jersey.

 

[26Mats]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

Edit:
I'm not all that knowledgeable of Cozens.

My point is, if HiGo want him, they can get him.

 

[Kosseca]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

This is a massive over payment. Dach and Cozens have similar value and point production this year. One as proven that can he put points up, but has a massive contract.... the other less proven, but more management contract. addind a 1st and 2 D with NHL potential??? why?

Adding Cozens only make sense in a scenario where MTL keeps Dach to push him into a role more suited for him.

 

[vokiel]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

At that price, I'm pretty sure we don't want him.

 

[overlords]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

I think you should throw in more assets to get a guy with a few more pts than dach at 2x the caphit

 

[26Mats]

I think you should throw in more assets to get a guy with a few more pts than dach at 2x the caphit

This is a massive over payment. Dach and Cozens have similar value and point production this year. One as proven that can he put points up, but has a massive contract.... the other less proven, but more management contract. addind a 1st and 2 D with NHL potential??? why?

Adding Cozens only make sense in a scenario where MTL keeps Dach to push him into a role more suited for him.

I'm not all that knowledgeable of Cozens.

My only point is, if HiGo want him, they can get him.

 

[BozoTheClown]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

If I am the Sabres I am not trading Cozens or Byram.

I think Buffalo are closer to being a consistent playoff team than we are. What the Sabres need is veteran presence to lead the way, keep the moral up when the team goes on a losing streak and most importantly toughness to respond when their players get bullied. I could see guys like Savard and Anderson being helpful.

Keep in mind Buffalo is the youngest team in the NHL.

 

[overlords]

I'm not all that knowledgeable of Cozens.

My only point is, if HiGo want him, they can get him.

The main draw back on Cozens seems to be similar to Dach, a lot of people wonder whether he's even a center. Actually I've probably heard more concerns about Cozens in that regard than Dach. Cozens is more of a shooter but a really hard worker. TBH I think they'd look pretty good together on a line, similar to how Anderson has helped Dach recently.

I like cozens but I feel like his greatest perceived value is being the next guy traded out of buffalo. His cap hit is high for a guy with two meh seasons post contract signing.

 

[26Mats]

This is a massive over payment. Dach and Cozens have similar value and point production this year. One as proven that can he put points up, but has a massive contract.... the other less proven, but more management contract. addind a 1st and 2 D with NHL potential??? why?

Adding Cozens only make sense in a scenario where MTL keeps Dach to push him into a role more suited for him.

I'd love to get a really good 2c to center Demidov and Laine, and then have Newhook - Dach - Anderson.

But not sure we can get such a 2c without giving up Dach...

A 2c that HuGo think is the real deal, I would expect would cost a lot. But better to spend a lot for the real deal than something mediocre.

 

[Kosseca]

I'd love to get a really good 2c to center Semidov and Laine, and then have Newhook - Dach - Anderson.

But not sure we can get such a 2c without giving up Dach...

A 2c that HuGo think is the real deal, I would expect would cost a lot. But better to spend a lot for the real deal than something mediocre.

Cozens is an unknown at C. Some are saying that, like Dach, he may be better as a W. I dont mind if MTL acquire him, but it would be with the mind set of bringing size and grit on the top 6. Can't be at the expense of Dach. So to get him, you have to trade away other assets.

If you are looking for a proven 2C, you should look else where I think. The problem that I see is that there isn't any obvious candidate in that age group, so you may need to get a "Monahan" type of deal.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Unless he wants to choose where he plays if he comes to the NHL.

He literally can't cchoose. Teams have the right of Russian player's forever

 

[Treb]

He literally can't cchoose. Teams have the right of Russian player's forever

He can play chicken with Carolina, refuse to sign and request his rights traded.

 

[HuGo Sham]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

Edit:
I'm not all that knowledgeable of Cozens.

My point is, if HiGo want him, they can get him.

The difference between Cozens and Dach's value is absolutely not two, young dmen and a 1st rounder. That's a wild overpayment

 

[Hockeyfan200]

He can play chicken with Carolina, refuse to sign and request his rights traded.

and carolina can be like no because they can keep his right forever as a Russian prospect

 

[Hacketts]

If we want Cozens, pretty sure we can get him:

To MTL: Cozens
To BUF: 1st (MTL or CGY) + Dach + Mailloux + Struble

Edit:
I'm not all that knowledgeable of Cozens.

My point is, if HiGo want him, they can get him.

lol.

I don't know the guy, but take everything.

 

[26Mats]

The difference between Cozens and Dach's value is absolutely not two, young dmen and a 1st rounder. That's a wild overpayment

Well it doesn't matter what the value is. The point is to win a cup.

When Florida traded Huberdeau, Weeger, and a 1st for Matthew Tkachuk, people said it was an overpayment in terms of value. But they got the piece they needed, and the best player in the trade. By the way, I'm not saying Cozens is going to be great. But if you believe he is, you "overpay" in terms of value.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Well it doesn't matter what the value is. The point is to win a cup.

When Florida traded Huberdeau, Weeger, and a 1st for Matthew Tkachuk, people said it was an overpayment in terms of value. But they got the piece they needed, and the best player in the trade. By the way, I'm not saying Cozens is going to be great. But if you believe he is, you "overpay" in terms of value.

Cozens isn't Matthew Tkachuck; they're not even the same species.
Value of the overpayment isn't remotely close

 

[26Mats]

Cozens isn't Matthew Tkachuck; they're not even the same species.
Value of the overpayment isn't remotely close

Neither is the package we'd be giving up.

At this point I'm interested in "overpaying" for a major piece. If Cozens isn't a major piece, I don't want him. I'm just not familiar enough with the player and his potential. Same with Dobson.

 

[Vachon23]

Well it doesn't matter what the value is. The point is to win a cup.

When Florida traded Huberdeau, Weeger, and a 1st for Matthew Tkachuk, people said it was an overpayment in terms of value. But they got the piece they needed, and the best player in the trade. By the way, I'm not saying Cozens is going to be great. But if you believe he is, you "overpay" in terms of value.

I agree at 100 % with what you’re trying to say even though Cozens is probably not that pieces

 

[HuGo Sham]

Neither is the package we'd be giving up.

At this point I'm interested in "overpaying" for a major piece. If Cozens isn't a major piece, I don't want him. I'm just not familiar enough with the player and his potential. Same with Dobson.

I guess we value cozens differently. i like him but don't see hm as the missing piece

He's regressed for two years from that 30 goal season. He's potentially a buy-low candidate but giving up Dach, Mailloux and one of the 1sts on top of Struble is a lot of pieces for a gamble. a lot. Better players available for that package

 

[26Mats]

I guess we value cozens differently. i like him but don't see hm as the missing piece

He's regressed for two years from that 30 goal season. He's potentially a buy-low candidate but giving up Mailloux and one of the 1sts on top of Struble is a lot of pieces for a gamble. a lot

We don't value Cozens differently, because I don't value him. I don't know him well enough. I'm jsut saying, if we want him, if HuGo value him, we can get him. I've heard mixed opinions on what he is. Some say he won't take the next step. Some say he will...

 

[26Mats]

I agree at 100 % with what you’re trying to say even though Cozens is probably not that pieces

Even if we were to trade Matheson, Mailloux, Savard, and Struble, and some how get a 1/2 RD, we'd still have too many D in the future core:

Guhle - 1RD
Hutson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier
Engstrom - Bogdan

Definitely would be looking to use our assets to add a 1/2 RD and a 1/2C. But I think most teams are.

Hoping we can use Savard, Evans, Armia, Matheson to add assets that we can use in a trade. That would be espeically 1sts, but also 2nds. But those may not be available. So we may keep them.

 

[HuGo Sham]

We don't value Cozens differently, because I don't value him. I don't know him well enough. I'm jsut saying, if we want him, if HuGo value him, we can get him. I've heard mixed opinions on what he is. Some say he won't take the next step. Some say he will...

so you don't value him and don't know him but are giving up the equivalent of 3 1sts and another 22 y.o d-man for him? ok.
I'll just add that I agree HuGo has the assets to "overpay" for a needed piece.
I don't think that piece is Cozens - at the expense of potentially important future assets.
I still value Mailloux as a RD and Montreal's first may end up nabbing us Desnoyers for instance.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I don't know if Utah still has a plan for Victor Soderstrom (RHD) but he could be a good addition to our young core.

He seems to finally blossom, at last.

I'd take a chance on him. Another guy is Filip Hallander (LC). He's still Pittsburgh RFA, but doesn't have a contract. He's playing with Kapanen for Timra.

 

[sampollock]

They are coming. Next 48-72 hours will be spicy. That’s what my gut tells me.

That or it’s the extra spicy pad Thai acting up.

I will follow your gut on this