HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Egresch]

Is there a contending team that could possibly take on both Evans and Armia to solidify their bottom 6 and PK? We could take on a cap dump to help offset it with the addition of a legitimate, somewhat established young player in return.

Devils or Minnesota.
Evans + Armia 50% retained
vs.
Tatar +

That would be the base for salary cap purpose. The rest of the deal might NJD 1st or Nemec balanced by some asstes from our side.

 

[Goalfield13]

Problem is there are more teams looking for top 6 centers than available players who fit that profile.

I don't think Dach is a top 6C, anyways.

 

[Deebs]

I am hoping there are GMs out there in the summer that think as highly of Dach as the people in the Dach thread so we can get a decent return for him. We need to get a vet 2C to play with Demidov next year and to give time for Hage to get ready.

Why would we get rid of him and not try to make it work. He's on a friendly deal and if we can land a Center, Kirby can always move to the wing. He played the first 25-30 games with a bad wheel and has played much better as he's gained confidence in it.

If we're doing that with him, are we tossing Laine to the curb as well? I'd like to see both of them get a full offseason of training in and then see how they look at camp. Doesn't mean we don't go shopping now and in the summer. We're in a good position to add a piece.

 

[sampollock]

Why would we get rid of him and not try to make it work. He's on a friendly deal and if we can land a Center, Kirby can always move to the wing. He played the first 25-30 games with a bad wheel and has played much better as he's gained confidence in it.

If we're doing that with him, are we tossing Laine to the curb as well? I'd like to see both of them get a full offseason of training in and then see how they look at camp. Doesn't mean we don't go shopping now and in the summer. We're in a good position to add a piece.

bang on
let's add a solid player
not move 77 and 92 just cause

 

[Deebs]

Devils or Minnesota.
Evans + Armia 50% retained
vs.
Tatar +

That would be the base for salary cap purpose. The rest of the deal might NJD 1st or Nemec balanced by some asstes from our side.

Might have something there with the Devils....adding Nemec to it while taking on Tatar.

 

[70Stang]

I don't think Dach is a top 6C, anyways.

I think that the wait and see approach with Dach is over for me. He is not a center and I don't believe he ever will be. Nothing wrong with that, Hughes tried and it's time to correct that mistake. Time to move on from him and see if he can return something good. Not moving him now would be poor asset management. They have the pieces to add as a sweetener.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think that the wait and see approach with Dach is over for me. He is not a center and I don't believe he ever will be. Nothing wrong with that, Hughes tried and it's time to correct that mistake. Time to move on from him and see if he can return something good. Not moving him now would be poor asset management. They have the pieces to add as a sweetener.

Why would we move on from him? Even if he doesn't make it as a 2C, there is no reason to let a 6'4 player like him on a reasonable contract just leave. He will be a good piece of the roster regardless of whether he hits his potential or has to redefine himself a bit.

 

[sampollock]

Why would we move on from him? Even if he doesn't make it as a 2C, there is no reason to let a 6'4 player like him on a reasonable contract just leave. He will be a good piece of the roster regardless of whether he hits his potential or has to redefine himself a bit.

yup
no need to move him. bigger body is good and is still young

 

[StCaufield]

Any juicy rumours going around? I’m out of the loop

yup
no need to move him. bigger body is good and is still young

That’s Bergy logic though. I’m 6’4 also it doesn’t I’m better than someone who’s 6’1. Take the best player no matter who it is before the big guy is worth zero. Not saying you’re wrong and Kirby could still be something

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'd love to see Slaf take the challenge of converting center. He's got the posture of it, the play style. I'm not sure he has the support for it. No offense to Vinny and Marty, but I'm not sure that's a challenge they can tackle without much coaching experience.

He doesn't have the hockey IQ for it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think Dach is a top 6C, anyways.

I always felt Dach was a winger/center type. He's got more assets to be a center vs Newhook but neither of them are true type centers. They are players with skill that can play center if required and I would use these parts as wingers and they play center in cases where we get in to injuries.

I would call both Dach and Newhook middle 6F types. Can play either 2nd or 3rd lines. There are a fair amount of them in the NHL and I really don't like that absolute line fans create with top 6 vs bottom 6. Several players fall on the line between the two and that is OK.

That’s Bergy logic though. I’m 6’4 also it doesn’t I’m better than someone who’s 6’1. Take the best player no matter who it is before the big guy is worth zero. Not saying you’re wrong and Kirby could still be something

We got to be careful with Dach in terms of most of us thinking he is not a 2C. Just because he can't be a 2C, it don't mean he can't be a puck possession winger with a physical edge. We need those types as well!

 

[BLONG7]

I always felt Dach was a winger/center type. He's got more assets to be a center vs Newhook but neither of them are true type centers. They are players with skill that can play center if required and I would use these parts as wingers and they play center in cases where we get in to injuries.

I would call both Dach and Newhook middle 6F types. Can play either 2nd or 3rd lines. There are a fair amount of them in the NHL and I really don't like that absolute line fans create with top 6 vs bottom 6. Several players fall on the line between the two and that is OK.



We got to be careful with Dach in terms of most of us thinking he is not a 2C. Just because he can't be a 2C, it don't mean he can't be a puck possession winger with a physical edge. We need those types as well!

Agreed............there is a ton of talent and size there.....
We should keep and add on to the roster..........we hac=ve prospects, picks and a ton of cap space......good times ahead.
As for Newy.........the guy has speed, and a nice shot. Not to sure if he is part of the future?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed............there is a ton of talent and size there.....
We should keep and add on to the roster..........we hac=ve prospects, picks and a ton of cap space......good times ahead.

I'm open to a Dach+ or Newhook+ type trade to get an improvement but if that is not possible, we should be considering how they look as puck possession wingers as middle 6F types. Not sure shot 2nd line or just 3rd line narratives. They can play both depending on chemistry and team fit.

They are on a bridge contract for a reason. That reason is to evaluate their progress. Still a little more time left. If we can't use them in trades to get some value (with futures on top), we need to just let that bridge contract play out. See where they are then because both are still RFA controlled.

 

[sampollock]

Agreed............there is a ton of talent and size there.....
We should keep and add on to the roster..........we hac=ve prospects, picks and a ton of cap space......good times ahead.
As for Newy.........the guy has speed, and a nice shot. Not to sure if he is part of the future?

time will tell
I would rather have 77 size and work with it and a 5.0 ft guy and he is weak and small

 

[WeThreeKings]

Any juicy rumours going around? I’m out of the loop


That’s Bergy logic though. I’m 6’4 also it doesn’t I’m better than someone who’s 6’1. Take the best player no matter who it is before the big guy is worth zero. Not saying you’re wrong and Kirby could still be something

We don't need to sell every player for picks. Dach still has tons of runway for his potential, he just needs to stay healthy, get a good off-season in place and work with a sports psychologist to keep his confidence up.

The fallacy on the board is that if some player isn't performing to the projected role, just trade them before they aren't worth anything, but that's rarely going to do anything for you especially since we are already so stocked with picks.

Even if you acquire a 2C, you're still an injury away. Keeping Dach makes way more sense because now you have more depth and then you still have a big guy, who is physical, can play center or wing, has great hands, can possess the puck and make plays off the wall. He has a lot of assets that will still play well in a middle 6 role.

 

[StCaufield]

We don't need to sell every player for picks. Dach still has tons of runway for his potential, he just needs to stay healthy, get a good off-season in place and work with a sports psychologist to keep his confidence up.

The fallacy on the board is that if some player isn't performing to the projected role, just trade them before they aren't worth anything, but that's rarely going to do anything for you especially since we are already so stocked with picks.

Even if you acquire a 2C, you're still an injury away. Keeping Dach makes way more sense because now you have more depth and then you still have a big guy, who is physical, can play center or wing, has great hands, can possess the puck and make plays off the wall. He has a lot of assets that will still play well in a middle 6 role.

I never said to trade him but you’re right. I’m just not fully against it depending on the return which goes for pretty much any player

 

[WeThreeKings]

I never said to trade him but you’re right. I’m just not fully against it depending on the return which goes for pretty much any player

I'm not against it either but a lot of people will say that we need to trade X player or X prospect before they lose all value. We aren't at that point where we need to grab more mid to late picks. We are better off trying to develop and get the most out of them. Our pick war chest runneth over.

 

[ReHabs]

Dach still has tons of runway for his potential, he just needs to stay healthy, get a good off-season in place and work with a sports psychologist to keep his confidence up.

Just only that huh

Piece of cake

 

[ZUKI]

I will go on a different path here; I don't think that Habs are that far from being contenders. I question myself about the way to analyze this team and realize how we tend to look only at the product, the core on the ice. Dach deceives, so are Laine and Slaf. But the 2 first were injured and out of the ice for a long period of time, so it's too early to trade one or both of them.

We also forget to calculate the players we have drafted that are going to join the team soon. As it was before Guhle, Wifi, Hutson begun to play with the CH. We are talking about Mailloux and Reinbacher, but not that much of Engstrom, Konyushkov and Trudeau. (best dman of Laval right now). On front, we have Heineman, Hage, Beck, Kapanen and Roy and of course Demidov.

So I don't see the point of trading half the team "to get a top player". I really like what Evans and even Armia bring this season, so I would try to re-sign them at the right price. We get 2 first round selections this summer, we could have money to sign a free agent (Ratanen). In the end, it could be a very good team with a lot of depth...

 

[sampollock]

Dvoark maybe get a 5th pick
Savard 2nd rounder
Math only wish
armia could be gone
evans sign him
Gally good luck