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[Peter Griffin]

I'm still a firm believer that mgmt should be looking to "sell high" on Kudryatsev given the rapid rise of EP2, Willander their top d prospect, the acquisition of Mancini and belief in Mynio.

You are not going to just give him away, but could be used in a package for a Top 6 F; ideally a C or LW.

As long as you’re not making a “Forsling for whoever it was” trade, then ya either Kudryatsev or Mynio should be available in a package for a legit top 6 forward.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I’d be curious if the emergence of DP will have them reconsider including Willander in a trade if it means landing a good top 6C.

Tbh no. Would just create another problem trying to find a young RD. We got one coming up and soon on an ELC.

 

[Jerry the great]

It's going to be really hard to get him into NHL games. And it's definitely not happening this year.

How so?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Tbh no. Would just create another problem trying to find a young RD. We got one coming up and soon on an ELC.

Yeah, absolutely not. Willander's upside is still significantly higher than D-Petey's, and I like D-Petey a lot. I think both are going to be a big part of the future of our D-Corps.

I do think it might make some other defensive prospects, such as Kudryatsev or Mynio, eligible to be trade chips.

 

[Takumi3000]

I’d be curious if the emergence of DP will have them reconsider including Willander in a trade if it means landing a good top 6C.

Definitely not. Outside of Hronek who else do you have on the right side? Are you going to depend on Myers until he’s 40? RD is literally the toughest position to fill.

 

[MS]

How so?

Hughes
M. Pettersson
Forbort
Soucy
E. Pettersson

Kudryatsev

He's the 6LD (at best) on a team that can only dress 3 (maybe 4 if Soucy is put at RD) at once, and another better prospect has already put himself into a position to get any minutes that are available.

 

[Josepho]

I think EP2 is more valuable than Willander at this point, but we should keep both.

We should be using at least 2 of Mancini/Mynio/Kudryavtsev as trade bait to find a young forward.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I’d be curious if the emergence of DP will have them reconsider including Willander in a trade if it means landing a good top 6C.

Can't see if given he's a RHD.

That's why I think one of our main LHD prospects (EP2, Mynio, Kud) become more expendable.

And for me, that would be Kud.

 

[supercanuck]

We're not close to contending to be trading promising D prospects. If we were 2022/23 Rangers then yes, trade Schneider for JTM. That's a no brainer. It would have to be for a top 6 young forward but no one's giving that up for Mynio or Kudryavtsev.

 

[MS]

Can't see if given he's a RHD.

That's why I think one of our main LHD prospects (EP2, Mynio, Kud) become more expendable.

And for me, that would be Kud.

Kudryatsev is the most logical guy to trade but I'm guessing Mynio has a lot more value (younger, Canadian, higher-drafted, WJC bump).

 

[Joe Rogan]

I'm still a firm believer that mgmt should be looking to "sell high" on Kudryatsev given the rapid rise of EP2, Willander their top d prospect, the acquisition of Mancini and belief in Mynio.

You are not going to just give him away, but could be used in a package for a Top 6 F; ideally a C or LW.

Trading away promising dmen like that without giving them a fair shake is how you end up with the Forsling, Faber, Cernak, initial Mcdonagh trades. Keep them until waiver eligibility is about to die to maximize value then evaluate from there

 

[Vector]

Marcus Pettersson

• Don’t believe he’s a solution for the Canucks; not an efficient puck-mover
• Thinks there’s a heavy recent bias in the Canucks front office that they can replicate the Hronek trade with this trade
• Thinks a 5 year mid-5m contract is what to expect on an extension
• Questions if there is a better fit and is asked if any names come to mind; doesn’t really answer the question

Bowen Byram

• Teams are calling about him a lot
• Really talented defencemen that’s an efficient puck-mover
• RFA with arbitration rights makes a trade a little tricky
• Hasn’t found the right team yet
• Sabres truly believe that they should be better than what they are

Seattle Kraken

• Ron Francis doesn’t step outside the box or do anything that isn’t required
• Ultraconservative approach doesn’t work; Francis’ track record goes back to Carolina
• Most mid team in the league; doesn’t see a path forward; Islanders of the West

Carson Soucy

• Will eventually appear on the Daily Faceoff trade board
• Is available but has a full NTC
• Questions why he’s now available when they’ve been looking for defensive depth

Canucks Targets

• Canucks are looking for a centre

Colorado Avalanche

• Were calling about JT Miller but couldn’t make the money work
• Are very interested in moving Casey Mittelstadt and finding another 2nd line centre
• Avalanche can’t score since the Mikko Rantanen trade

Rantanen Extension

• Have begun initial extension talks
• Hurricanes acquired him knowing he will be expensive

 

[dbaz]

depending on m.pettersson contract id say mynio and kuds are blocked.
d-petey who is still raw is providing something they had in zadorov, and that they have been missing since edler.
a mobile dman who will lay the body. it makes players double clutch and be more cautious.

with the goal of keeping hughes happy. 1 will for sure be traded if not both.
they wont be trading either of willander or mancini this year due to rhd availability.

 

[Jerry the great]

Hughes
M. Pettersson
Forbort
Soucy
E. Pettersson

Kudryatsev

He's the 6LD (at best) on a team that can only dress 3 (maybe 4 if Soucy is put at RD) at once, and another better prospect has already put himself into a position to get any minutes that are available.

Sure, but lots could change over the next few weeks and if we fall out of contention, Forbort and Soucy will both be gone (imo) and the last 15-20 games of the year become development time.

I'd be awfully surprised if we put our first in play anytime soon, and you'd think it would likely be part of any package to bring in a young top 6 W/C. seems like a trade that is more likely going to happen on draft day vs TDL,

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

I deal with people's Tendonitis often. Yes f*** it can very debilitating. Imagine tennis elbow where you can hardly hold anything in your knee, no good for skating. It usually responds well to rehab but not always. You would hope a top athlete with top physio's doctors and other voodoo would get it sorted.
It's been so long now you wonder if it just won't resolve.

My knowledge is limited, but when I heard he was going through tendonitis, I read articles about athletes, musicians, artists, etc. suffering from it, anywhere from weeks to months, to multiple years.

I recall in the early phase, rest and support is needed to avoid damage, and to stop the movement or the activity that caused it. For some people it becomes chronic.

Won't get into my opinions on Petey and his terrible on ice play, but wouldn't be surprised if it was an issue, due to playing through it for months.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Sure, but lots could change over the next few weeks and if we fall out of contention, Forbort and Soucy will both be gone (imo) and the last 15-20 games of the year become development time.

I'd be awfully surprised if we put our first in play anytime soon, and you'd think it would likely be part of any package to bring in a young top 6 W/C. seems like a trade that is more likely going to happen on draft day vs TDL,

The standings are so close I’m pretty sure we’ll be in contention right up until the last game of the year.

 

[Hockeyphysio]

My knowledge is limited, but when I heard he was going through tendonitis, I read articles about athletes, musicians, artists, etc. suffering from it, anywhere from weeks to months, to multiple years.

I recall in the early phase, rest and support is needed to avoid damage, and to stop the movement or the activity that caused it. For some people it becomes chronic.

Won't get into my opinions on Petey and his terrible on ice play, but wouldn't be surprised if it was an issue, due to playing through it for months.

I have it in my glut tendon. I tried managing it for awhile and gave up. Took 3 weeks off and rebuilt from scratch. 2 years later and still can notice it and irritate it but mostly good. It would be hard for me to play hockey with it (but I am not in my 20's haha)

 

[timw33]

Marcus Pettersson

• Don’t believe he’s a solution for the Canucks; not an efficient puck-mover
• Thinks there’s a heavy recent bias in the Canucks front office that they can replicate the Hronek trade with this trade
• Thinks a 5 year mid-5m contract is what to expect on an extension
• Questions if there is a better fit and is asked if any names come to mind; doesn’t really answer the question

Seravalli is such a ****ing moron man.

 

[iceburg]

So excited about D-Petey's emergence. I'm still reserving judgement until there's a bigger sample size and he's exposed to more difficult minutes but he has added so much of what was needed to this D-core that it's nothing short of remarkable.
High praise from those in the know inlcuding:
Tocchet: paraphrasing "He's a great prospec...(stops himself before continuing)...you can't even really call him a prospect, he's becoming an NHLer"
Ferraro: "How can you take him out of the line-up"

If he continues his play through the rest of the season, he has to be penciled into one of the three LD spots next year. It also means Soucy can be traded to free up even more cap space. At this stage it's looking like they could have $10M+ to bring in a top six forward/centre.

 

[ziploc]

So excited about D-Petey's emergence. I'm still reserving judgement until there's a bigger sample size and he's exposed to more difficult minutes but he has added so much of what was needed to this D-core that it's nothing short of remarkable.
High praise from those in the know inlcuding:
Tocchet: paraphrasing "He's a great prospec...(stops himself before continuing)...you can't even really call him a prospect, he's becoming an NHLer"
Ferraro: "How can you take him out of the line-up"

If he continues his play through the rest of the season, he has to be penciled into one of the three LD spots next year. It also means Soucy can be traded to free up even more cap space. At this stage it's looking like they could have $10M+ to bring in a top six forward/centre.

So, Soucy for a 10m dollar top centre?

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Seravalli is such a ****ing moron man.

He really seems to have a hate on for MP3.

 

[F A N]

I’d be curious if the emergence of DP will have them reconsider including Willander in a trade if it means landing a good top 6C.

Tbh no. Would just create another problem trying to find a young RD. We got one coming up and soon on an ELC.

Yeah, absolutely not. Willander's upside is still significantly higher than D-Petey's, and I like D-Petey a lot. I think both are going to be a big part of the future of our D-Corps.

I do think it might make some other defensive prospects, such as Kudryatsev or Mynio, eligible to be trade chips.

Because of young D-Petey no. But if Mancini is somehow a stud then I don't see why we aren't open to trade proposals.

Like if we're somehow offered Leo Carlsson or Fantilli because somehow those teams has positional needs then would the answer be absolutely not? Of course not.

 

[valkynax]

Seravalli is such a ****ing moron man.

I sternly demand that you stop insulting morons!

 

[thecupismine]

Marcus Pettersson

• Don’t believe he’s a solution for the Canucks; not an efficient puck-mover
• Thinks there’s a heavy recent bias in the Canucks front office that they can replicate the Hronek trade with this trade
• Thinks a 5 year mid-5m contract is what to expect on an extension
• Questions if there is a better fit and is asked if any names come to mind; doesn’t really answer the question

Bowen Byram

• Teams are calling about him a lot
• Really talented defencemen that’s an efficient puck-mover
• RFA with arbitration rights makes a trade a little tricky
• Hasn’t found the right team yet
• Sabres truly believe that they should be better than what they are

Seattle Kraken

• Ron Francis doesn’t step outside the box or do anything that isn’t required
• Ultraconservative approach doesn’t work; Francis’ track record goes back to Carolina
• Most mid team in the league; doesn’t see a path forward; Islanders of the West

Carson Soucy

• Will eventually appear on the Daily Faceoff trade board
• Is available but has a full NTC
• Questions why he’s now available when they’ve been looking for defensive depth

Canucks Targets

• Canucks are looking for a centre

Colorado Avalanche

• Were calling about JT Miller but couldn’t make the money work
• Are very interested in moving Casey Mittelstadt and finding another 2nd line centre
• Avalanche can’t score since the Mikko Rantanen trade

Rantanen Extension

• Have begun initial extension talks
• Hurricanes acquired him knowing he will be expensive

Not a puck mover is certainly a take. I swear some people look at hockey card stats when deciding if someone is a puck mover or not. Tanev doesn’t put up points but gets the puck out with a clean first pass, it’s part of what makes him good defensively. M Petey is the same way.

This team was always missing PK LD1, and someone who could reasonably break even defensively on the second pair instead of being 40% in high leverage minutes. Team has zero need for a defenseman who wants PP minutes with both Hronek and Hughes around.

Moving Soucy to the bottom pairing is massive, as he’ll be able to focus on his role as a #5 in lower leverage minutes. He can stop gap in the #4 spot with injuries, but that 40% expected goals rate was downright atrocious when he was trying to anchor the second pair. Only reason to move him is Junior’s development, and the belief that Forbert is better in that role.

Even then, just wait out the season as I don’t ever want to see Juulsen out there again.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I sternly demand that you stop insulting morons!

Let’s keep religion out of the discussion.
Some of the Utah fans might get upset at you.