HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[sampollock]

That's a bit of an overpayment from the Leafs.

they would need to overpay same division

 

[Habs Halifax]

HABS are not deep with talent, what I mean is good to go talent. ton's coming but they are all young
need some grit and couple vets to be added.
habs get injuries' and they are cooked.

Resilient but fragile group. It will be very interesting to see what our management does at the TDL and how this group finishes the year. Seems like they end up playing better when they are counted out

That's a bit of an overpayment from the Leafs.

Seems like it yes but it's about supply/demand and contenders getting an edge over other teams who may acquire him. Make no mistake, Evans is going to get serious offers for us.

 

[yianik]

Savard won't get you more than a 3rd with retention. He became way too slow.


Evans + Anderson (2M$ retained) for Nemec. Go go go.

Armia can get you a mid/late 2nd.

Savard and Dvorak won't get you more than 3rd or 4th round picks if not retained.

I think the bill for Nemec is higher. Add in Mailloux, and possibly the Calgary 1st. I would rely on others to say whether Nemec has top pair ceiling . If between Nemec and Reinbacker we get a top pair D then it's worth it.

 

[Goalfield13]

they would need to overpay same division

They just won't do it. Not realistic.

 

[yianik]

Laine has consistency issues but term was manageable. Dubois has been very good for a while now. So many fans ignored me when I pointed out the Kings were playing him 3C min's. The Kings GM and coach are the idiots, not Dubois.

90% of the fans on these boards were just wrong with Dubois. So many of them tried to belittle me about it too. I knew he would do well with the Caps.

When you look to fill holes through trades or UFA, you won't find perfect fits. Us fans need to rethink this through. When someone like Dubois is available for cheap and you got a growing cap to come, you got to seriously consider it. Otherwise, we are not filling the 2C or top 4RD any other way than the draft.

I thought there was a good chance PLD would have a good year this season. But I still didn't want him. The 2C spot is a Core position and so the player needs to be reliable, and PLD is not that. He could have a really good season next year also, or he might disappear again, or dissappear the following year. This guy just has something not right going on with him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think the bill for Nemec is higher. Add in Mailloux, and possibly the Calgary 1st. I would rely on others to say whether Nemec has top pair ceiling . If between Nemec and Reinbacker we get a top pair D then it's worth it.

Nemec's value is difficult to determine IMO and the Devils do still have him with high value. When I look at Nemec and Mailloux (age 20 seasons in the AHL), I'm not seeing much difference even if most of us like Nemec more. I see Nemec being better at both ends but Mailloux has a fair amount of offensive edge over him.

Nemec to me is a well rounded top 4D. If he had top pairing potential, it would have shown early. Very much interested in trading for him (if we can) but there is a part of me that wonders how long it takes him to reach his ceiling.

It's very possible we are guilty of overlooking Mailloux.

I thought there was a good chance PLD would have a good year this season. But I still didn't want him. The 2C spot is a Core position and so the player needs to be reliable, and PLD is not that. He could have a really good season next year also, or he might disappear again, or dissappear the following year. This guy just has something not right going on with him.

I think he will be fine if used properly. When he plays with talent and top 6 min's, his production shows. When he was placed on the 3rd line with the Kings, he fades. I'm a Dubois fan and I think his flaws were targeted too much

 

[Habs Halifax]

They just won't do it. Not realistic.

If you are low on Evans's value, it would seem unrealistic. Cowan is not a grade A. He's a B+ like Poehling was.

Evans will get late 1st and B+ offers. I hope you don't think his TDL value is a 2nd or worse? If so, this is Lehkonen all over again. Evans is on a low AAV hit and he's trending very well and the supply/demand for a 3C like him is very high at this TDL. I have no doubt in my mind that 5+ teams really want him.

 

[sampollock]

If you are low on Evans's value, it would seem unrealistic. Cowan is not a grade A. He's a B+ like Poehling was.

Evans will get late 1st and B+ offers. I hope you don't think his TDL value is a 2nd or worse? If so, this is Lehkonen all over again. Evans is on a low AAV hit and he's trending very well and the supply/demand for a 3C like him is very high at this TDL. I have no doubt in my mind that 5+ teams really want him.

Cowan should at the WJR that he sucked, he needs to work on his game. not a top tier prospect

 

[yianik]

Mailloux is a young guy who has missed a good amount of time so I don't write him off.

As to PLD I was hoping we could snag him from the Jets when the rumours came out he wanted to be a Hab. Thought we could buy low, but the price LA paid was too much for me.

Believe me , I thought about a 6 foot 4 great skating high skilled C, and a Quebecois to boot on our team. But after LA, and before they relegated him to 3C , it's like what's going on with this guy. He gets to play with skill and sometimes he's on, and sometimes he's off. He needs to be better on a permanent basis.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cowan should at the WJR that he sucked, he needs to work on his game. not a top tier prospect

He's OK but I don't see top 6 potential. I see a 3rd liner if he reaches his ceiling. I would say he has Poehling type hope (hope we had with Poehling pre NHL).

The flaw with team Canada was using Cowen in an offensive leadership role.

 

[Goalfield13]

If you are low on Evans's value, it would seem unrealistic. Cowan is not a grade A. He's a B+ like Poehling was.

Evans will get late 1st and B+ offers. I hope you don't think his TDL value is a 2nd or worse? If so, this is Lehkonen all over again. Evans is on a low AAV hit and he's trending very well and the supply/demand for a 3C like him is very high at this TDL. I have no doubt in my mind that 5+ teams really want him.

It would depend on if Evans is willing to sign a contract now or if he is going UFA. I love Evans, but 1st for a few months of his services is already a stretch.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Mailloux is a young guy who has missed a good amount of time so I don't write him off.

As to PLD I was hoping we could snag him from the Jets when the rumours came out he wanted to be a Hab. Thought we could buy low, but the price LA paid was too much for me.

Believe me , I thought about a 6 foot 4 great skating high skilled C, and a Quebecois to boot on our team. But after LA, and before they relegated him to 3C , it's like what's going on with this guy. He gets to play with skill and sometimes he's on, and sometimes he's off. He needs to be better on a permanent basis.

I agree with Mailloux. There is a fair chance we are sleeping on his potential. Could end up on the Barron track but we just don't know. If he can figure out how to be reliable in the NHL D zone, we got something here. His offensive side is very solid.

Yeah, the Kings were absolutely stupid. They had center depth and traded a package for a guy they gave a big contract to and then decided to play him 3C. Idiots. I said this over and over last season. What are you doing! I agree the Habs could not pay that price. Dubois was not managed well by the Kings.

With Dubois, it's a usage thing. Don't expect him to be motivated by playing him 3C with bums. Caps are showing you how to manage a piece like this. It was a management issue and make no mistake, the Jets wanted to extend him. He just didn't want to stay.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It would depend on if Evans is willing to sign a contract now or if he is going UFA. I love Evans, but 1st for a few months of his services is already a stretch.

What is fair value at the TDL is out the window bud. You know this. Evans is going to be targeted by several contenders and his cap hit is easily fit in. If we trade him, you are going to be surprised.

The value of a 3C who is great on faceoffs, forecheck, and on the PK is enormous for contenders looking for an edge. Said it a few times today... I feel Gorton and Hughes are delaying any contract extension until they get all the offers for Evans at the TDL. Then they decide what to do.

 

[jellybeans]

That's a bit of an overpayment from the Leafs.

A bit holly molly Evans don't even get you Cowan.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If the Leafs offer their 2026 1st and Cowen for Evans, would you do it or just extend Evans? I believe the Leafs will make an offer but they won't be the only ones.

Damn, did they hire Bergevin ?

No one is that stupid to pay that for Evans.

You're getting a lesser prospect and a 2nd, or just a 1st for Evans and potentially plus.

Sounds like the Habs best bet to get another first is to package Savard and Evans.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Damn, did they hire Bergevin ?

No one is that stupid to pay that for Evans.

You're getting a lesser prospect and a 2nd, or just a 1st for Evans and potentially plus.

Sounds like the Habs best bet to get another first is to package Savard and Evans.

Want to make a bet? If Evans is traded, it's going to be more than just your 2nd and B prospect return. We can keep it low and friendly? $20 and I'll honor my word

Evans will get:
1) late 1st and B prospect
or
2) Grade A and 2nd rounder

A 1st or grade A will be in the package (if we even trade him)

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Want to make a bet? If Evans is traded, it's going to be more than just your 2nd and B prospect return.

If it's more, it's a lot closer to that than whatever crap is you posted.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If it's more, it's a lot closer to that than whatever crap is you posted.

Crap? Why do you guys need to use trigger words like that?

Do you know what is crap? Thinking Evans only gets a 2nd or B prospect. Cowan is not a grade A. He's a B or B+ type like Poehling was.

Make the $20 friendly bet? Are you chicken?

 

[Andrewcoursol]

I don’t think that Matheson, Anderson and Gallagher will be traded this year for different reasons.

I would trade Evans if we know that we can’t extend him to a reasonable contract AND if we can get a 1st or equivalent prospect in return.

I would also trade Armia and Savard if we can get a 2nd for each. Otherwise, I would keep them.

Dvorak can go for the best pick we can get.

The Habs are a lottery team, they should ask evans where he wants to go in order to get some playoff experience, get the high draft pick/prospect for him, but have an agreement to resign him this summer already worked out, if not trade him and get something for him,

 

[sampollock]

so tires of Dvoark's name on every post. the guy is a dud

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Crap? Why do you guys need to use trigger words like that?

Do you know what is crap? Thinking Evans only gets a 2nd or B prospect. Cowan is not a grade A. He's a B or B+ type like Poehling was.

Make the $20 friendly bet? Are you chicken?

If Evans is dealt, it will be for a 1st, or a 2nd + b prospect, i get 20.

He goes for a 1st + a b prospect, or better you get 20 bucks.

He doesn't get traded, then we both just buy KFC and hope he isn't re-signed for a bad contract, or worse he just walks for nothing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Evans is dealt, it will be for a 1st, or a 2nd + b prospect, i get 20.

He goes for a 1st + a b prospect, or better you get 20 bucks.

He doesn't get traded, then we both just buy KFC and hope he isn't re-signed for a bad contract, or worse he just walks for nothing.

We are not that really far apart though? How are we going to evaluate a B prospect? That can vary. What is Cowen to you? Grade A or
B+ or B? I need to know where you are coming from when you evaluate prospects.

I feel a late 1st is the low point. I think several teams will offer this because the 20+ spot is a significant drop. This is why I am on the 1st and B prospect train... or grade A and 2nd.

Might be hard to figure out who looses this if the trade is deeper. Who wants to volunteer to be mediator?

 

[sampollock]

KH needs a package deal and get a player of solid value
these Barron type deals are not what this team needs

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

We are not that really far apart though? How are we going to evaluate a B prospect? That can vary. What is Cowen to you? Grade A or
B+ or B?

If it's a 1st and a decent prospect I'd probably just give you the 20 and be amazed by the return.

I guess it gets a bit more complicated if there's a cap dump, or something coming back to offset the deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

KH needs a package deal and get a player of solid value
these Barron type deals are not what this team needs

The problem with this search is no team really trades away a 2C or top 4RD in their 20's. It's very rare. Especially if they are proven in the NHL. We have been rebuilding for several years now and our best center is Suzuki who was acquired as a B+ prospect in the Patch trade (by Beregevin).

Are we guilty of expecting our holes to be filled with trades or UFA signings?

If it's a 1st and a decent prospect I'd probably just give you the 20 and be amazed by the return.

I guess it gets a bit more complicated if there's a cap dump, or something coming back to offset the deal.

I'm down if we get a mediator. Does it matter to you if it's a sign/trade or not?

What I am saying:
1st or B prospect
or
Grade A and 2nd

What you are saying (edit if I am wrong):
1st
or
2nd and B prospect