HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[HuGort]

Two guys I'm looking at is Dylan Cozens and Simon Nemec.

Cozens only if we need a 2C and Dach is starting to get things together.

Nemec we only even try for if we will play him at least on the bottom pairing. We get him then we have Matheson and Hutson on the top pair and Matheson doesn't go UFA for 2 more seasons. This gives Nemec and Reinbacher time to develop. Nemec goes to Laval for 15-20 games and then up to play with Xhekaj. Savard gets moved.

Reinbacher and Nemec could in time be our top pair and 2nd pair RHD for the next decade.

For Nemec, Calgary 1st, Evans , Struble and Anderson ( he has value ).

I don't want either. Tired of developing other teams failed high picks. If I'm adding big like that, I want proven young veterans.

 

[yianik]

I don't want either. Tired of developing other teams failed high picks. If I'm adding big like that, I want proven young veterans.

I know what you are talking about. Just pay what needs to be paid for a legit 2C if that's what we need, as an example. No more Dachs or Newhooks or Barrons. Cozens fits that more. Is Nemec a failed high pick though ?

 

[Miller Time]

I know what you are talking about. Just pay what needs to be paid for a legit 2C if that's what we need, as an example. No more Dachs or Newhooks or Barrons. Cozens fits that more. Is Nemec a failed high pick though ?

Cozens has been very healthy the past three years, whereas Dach worked his way back from 2 big injuries.

The next 3 years, it's quite possible Dach ends up being, if not more impactful than Cozens.

 

[DAChampion]

If Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton were in their position now instead of Marc Bergevin in 2016….

PK Subban
9th overall pick

For

Leon Drasaitl
Darnell Nurse
4th overall pick
Prospect

Hugo would have drafted Mathew Tkachuk. Imagine that.

We don't know what the actual trade offer was.

 

[Maitz]

would be better trading those 2 mid 10's to go into the top 10? I think we are at a spot where we really need quality prospects over quantity, if a team like PIT or NYI has the 6th or 7th they might want to trade down and gain more picks since they have literally nothing in their pipeline

 

[Miller Time]

Scott Laughton would be a great target to replace Dvorak...

Putting him on wing next to Beck or Kapanen would give that young C a solid veteran support who can step into FO circle as needed. Great team guy. Solid skater & PK player.

Worth a serious inquiry...

 

[Egresch]

I don't want either. Tired of developing other teams failed high picks. If I'm adding big like that, I want proven young veterans.

Nemec I would definitely not call a failed high pick. Until this season, he was developing in a great way. D+2 he played 60 games in NHL playing in top4 role almost 20 minutes of ice-time, PP2, PK2 including. People complain about his defensive play, but he had 105 blocked shots which would be 4th in Habs behind Matheson, Guhle, Savard. If you put it into context of Habs, none of our young D played such important and complex role. We would be extremely happy, if Reinbacher was performing like that this season. Obviously, he is injured, but nobody labels him as failed high pick for that. And that exactly happened to Nemec, he got injured and did not play well at the start of this season. Sending to Utica definitely did not help his morale. Trust me, if he joined Habs today, he would be at least 3RD over Savard this year and 2RD next year.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

I don't want either. Tired of developing other teams failed high picks. If I'm adding big like that, I want proven young veterans.

that's right, I want a Sean Monahan.

 

[Habssince89]

Dvorak being our only LHC needs to be addressed. If we're only going to have one, we need to upgrade.

 

[HuGort]

Nemec I would definitely not call a failed high pick. Until this season, he was developing in a great way. D+2 he played 60 games in NHL playing in top4 role almost 20 minutes of ice-time, PP2, PK2 including. People complain about his defensive play, but he had 105 blocked shots which would be 4th in Habs behind Matheson, Guhle, Savard. If you put it into context of Habs, none of our young D played such important and complex role. We would be extremely happy, if Reinbacher was performing like that this season. Obviously, he is injured, but nobody labels him as failed high pick for that. And that exactly happened to Nemec, he got injured and did not play well at the start of this season. Sending to Utica definitely did not help his morale. Trust me, if he joined Habs today, he we be at least 3RD over Savard this year and 2RD next year.

No, give up that much I want the proven player. Most those prospects takes years to develop and majority fail. Habs ready to contend now. If we break up this lineup I don't want futures

 

[JadedRandom]

I know what you are talking about. Just pay what needs to be paid for a legit 2C if that's what we need, as an example. No more Dachs or Newhooks or Barrons. Cozens fits that more. Is Nemec a failed high pick though ?

No he isn't. The reason why Nemec hasn't been in the Devils' lineup is because they have tremendous depth at the position in the NHL right now.

The Devils have Dougie Hamilton firmly entrenched as their PPQB and top right defenseman. They also signed Brett Pesce this Summer to be a strong defensive presence for them, so he's also going nowhere.

Last season, Nemec was the Devils' best defenseman for stretches of their season, and helped carry the load for them deep into their playoff run.

Given such a strong performance last year, Nemec had a spot pretty locked-up as #2-3 RD alongside Pesce at camp. But then he struggled at the beginning of the season in NJ coming off an injury that he sustained in September but played through.

After a rough start for Nemec, Kovacevic came in and played very well for them, kind of "running away with the ball" if you will playing alongside Siegenthaler on that second defensive pairing.

As the season kept running along, with no defenseman on the right side getting injured for the Devils, and Nemec both needing ice time to develop properly and being waivers-exempt, it became obviously apparent to the management team that it was just the smarter move to send Nemec down to the AHL.

And at first Nemec struggled in the AHL for a very weak Utica Comets roster. He likely wasn't fully-healed, and it showed on the ice.

But in the last couple of weeks Nemec has been, even more than Seamus Casey (who's also excelled BTW), Utica's best player.

So yeah, Simon Nemec remains a very good prospect for NJ and isn't at all a reclamation project at this point.

Simply put, the only reason Nemec might be available in trade for the Devils is because he plays a position in which New Jersey has insane depth in, and that they might trade from a position of strength, like we did with Romanov, to try and shore-off potential weaknesses in their lineup (3c, scoring-line wing).

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts.

We might know what the cap will be a few years out


Friedman mentions that Lavoie has said that Colorado will trade Rantanen if they can't sign him.

 

[le_sean]

32 thoughts.

We might know what the cap will be a few years out


Friedman mentions that Lavoie has said that Colorado will trade Rantanen if they can't sign him.

Who do you even trade a player of that quality to at the deadline? Not everyone can take on that cap hit. And the Avs can still go for it this year, they are a good team now that they have goaltending.

If he’s asking for $12m+ and the Avs are unwilling, maybe to the Devils for Timo Meier + prospects? The Canes need offence too.

 

[Tuggy]

32 thoughts.

We might know what the cap will be a few years out


Friedman mentions that Lavoie has said that Colorado will trade Rantanen if they can't sign him.

Don't know about trading for him this season, but my dream is still breaking the bank to sign him in the offseason.

 

[morhilane]

Who do you even trade a player of that quality to at the deadline? Not everyone can take on that cap hit. And the Avs can still go for it this year, they are a good team now that they have goaltending.

If he’s asking for $12m+ and the Avs are unwilling, maybe to the Devils for Timo Meier + prospects? The Canes need offence too.

They can trade his rights or even do a sign&trade deal after the playoffs are done.

 

[Bilgerat10]

If Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton were in their position now instead of Marc Bergevin in 2016….

PK Subban
9th overall pick

For

Leon Drasaitl
Darnell Nurse
4th overall pick
Prospect

Hugo would have drafted Mathew Tkachuk. Imagine that.

2016 Draft. Rumor was that Bergevin was angling for Dubois at 4th. Dubois was drafted by CBJ at 3rd.

 

[Vachon23]

If Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton were in their position now instead of Marc Bergevin in 2016….

PK Subban
9th overall pick

For

Leon Drasaitl
Darnell Nurse
4th overall pick
Prospect

Hugo would have drafted Mathew Tkachuk. Imagine that.

The rumours is that Bergevin actually wanted Leon but EDM wasn’t trading him if my memory is right

 

[Benstheman]

The rumours is that Bergevin actually wanted Leon but EDM wasn’t trading him if my memory is right

Wasn't it because Habs wanted PLD and the deal fell apart when he was drafted at 3OA?

 

[Leto]

Wasn't it because Habs wanted PLD and the deal fell apart when he was drafted at 3OA?

PLD gone at 3OA and the Oilers running to the stage, because Puljujarvi was available at 4.

 

[Deebs]

32 thoughts.

We might know what the cap will be a few years out


Friedman mentions that Lavoie has said that Colorado will trade Rantanen if they can't sign him.

You kind of have to and the haul they'll get will help offset the heartburn for a while. Losing a player of that caliber is massive but it's the cost of doing business if both parties can't come to an agreement.

 

[le_sean]

They can trade his rights or even do a sign&trade deal after the playoffs are done.

Rights are barely worth anything though. If they are going to lose him anyways, they might as well plug holes that they have. 2C is still a massive issue.

 

[yianik]

2016 Draft. Rumor was that Bergevin was angling for Dubois at 4th. Dubois was drafted by CBJ at 3rd.

Wasn't it PK for Draisatl and the 4th OA if PLD was still there ? Not sure if the Oil said no or Columbus killed it by taking PLD.

 

[Runner77]

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Nemec I would definitely not call a failed high pick. Until this season, he was developing in a great way. D+2 he played 60 games in NHL playing in top4 role almost 20 minutes of ice-time, PP2, PK2 including. People complain about his defensive play, but he had 105 blocked shots which would be 4th in Habs behind Matheson, Guhle, Savard. If you put it into context of Habs, none of our young D played such important and complex role. We would be extremely happy, if Reinbacher was performing like that this season. Obviously, he is injured, but nobody labels him as failed high pick for that. And that exactly happened to Nemec, he got injured and did not play well at the start of this season. Sending to Utica definitely did not help his morale. Trust me, if he joined Habs today, he would be at least 3RD over Savard this year and 2RD next year.

He is racking up points now.