HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[xposbrad]

I'd be all over Nemec. He has played really well for the Devils, they just have too many defensemen. Offer them Reinbacher ++

0 chance Habs trade Reinbacher for Nemec

 

[skidcells]

Man this team is outright daring KH not to be a buyer/make a hockey trade to make the team better

 

[Vachon23]

For Nemec, I would offer the same type of package MIN offered for Jiricek

But I wouldn’t trade Reinbacher for him

So

1st round pick CGY or MTL
2nd round pick 2026 CBJ or MTL
3rd round pick 2025 (one of the 3x we have)
And a plugger

 

[JuicyHam]

I would give A LOT for Nemec. Packaging good prospects and picks seems incredibly reasonable with the volume we have. Love the player genuinely think he is the perfect fit. Has more juice to squeeze than Slafkovsky and that's not a slight I would consider myself a Slaf believer. He is right to be disgruntled in his situation IMO

I genuinely think it would take an astronomical overpay for him not to be worth trading for

 

[ReHabs]

Evans+Mailloux+2nd for Nemec

They get a playoff player (who could be worth more or less a 1st round pick) and futures and we get another high-upside RHD prospect in case Reinbacher doesn’t come through

 

[ReHabs]

Man this team is outright daring KH not to be a buyer/make a hockey trade to make the team better

With Demidov coming it feels like the core is setting into place so now KH can start fiddling with the marginal players and improving the roster at the low and mid levels.

The issue is the amount of turnover from this year to next year can be upward of a full third of the roster. Gorton insists they’re very cautious about personality and character qualities so maybe the management would prefer to retain Armia/Evans/Dvorak/Savard than seek to upgrade. I would want to upgrade across the board, I feel like this is the time to do so.

 

[HuGort]

Matheson is getting some massive disrespect from several Habs fans. I 100% agree.

He's in a great spot now that we have added Hutson. Habs fans need to consider that Matheson is our RD search and it's very possible he wants to stay and we can get him on a value contract until he is 35. 30-35 contracts is not ideal but when you look across the NHL, there is still lots of guys who perform well in those years. Matheson is one of the better puck movers with his skating and I just don't see that fading that quickly. I actually think he is finally in a spot where he is playing with confidence and his maturity will improve, not go backwards.

If we can't get in on a trade to add a legit top 4D, Matheson should stay if he is open to a team friendly deal. Carrier is our stopgap to allow Reinbacher and Mailloux to develop. We have to let them develop the right way.

The penciling in young guys leaning on the job was OK during our rebuild but those days are behind us now.

Matheson a hot and cold player

 

[sampollock]

Savard is the piece to move
he might be the only one, with the way they are playing

 

[Zorro]

If Matheson isn't contributing to the offense, he's straight up a liability. Matching him up with Hutson, has made this even more evident. Not sure, who i would replace him with but our run is even more impressive when you consider this.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Matheson isn't contributing to the offense, he's straight up a liability. Matching him up with Hutson, has made this even more evident. Not sure, who i would replace him with but our run is even more impressive when you consider this.

This isn't true at all.. he had one bad shift last game but he's been very very good since being paired with Hutson.

 

[salbutera]

100% He's a blue blood horse. Insane genetics or training or both.

Most importantly he hasn’t suffer major joint injuries over the course of his career - knee, shoulder, hip.

He’s lost most of his injury time as a result of concussions, which isn’t a good thing in anyway…but not chronic physical injuries

 

[Zorro]

This isn't true at all.. he had one bad shift last game but he's been very very good since being paired with Hutson.

On the defensive side, he's been decent at best. He's had way more bad shifts in this stretch, then just the 1 from yesterday. I don't know, maybe i'm not as tolerant as the average fan but when i see shit plays i call them out just as loudly as when the Habs score. If my memory serves me right, i feel like i've yelled quite a few times at the TV and it wasn't "good job matheson".

 

[WeThreeKings]

On the defensive side, he's been decent at best. He's had way more bad shifts in this stretch, then just the 1 from yesterday. I don't know, maybe i'm not as tolerant as the average fan but when i see shit plays i call them out just as loudly as when the Habs score. If my memory serves me right, i feel like i've yelled quite a few times at the TV and it wasn't "good job matheson".

I'll call out bad plays too and until that shift last night, I haven't noticed anything but good efforts and pushing the attack forward while allowing Hutson to dominate.

 

[JustAHabFan]

I'll call out bad plays too and until that shift last night, I haven't noticed anything but good efforts and pushing the attack forward while allowing Hutson to dominate.

Agreed. Matheson has been a good partner with Hutson that allowed Hutson fully used his talents.

 

[Wats]

I'd be all over Nemec. He has played really well for the Devils, they just have too many defensemen. Offer them Reinbacher ++

I mean I'd try Reinbacher alone first lol

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Nemec has added value for us because getting him could potentially be a major boost for both Slaf and Mesar. It's definitely worth making an extra effort to try and get him.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I mean I'd try Reinbacher alone first lol

I wouldn't if I can put my hands on Nemec.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

I mean I'd try Reinbacher alone first lol

I wouldn’t, disgruntled prospect don’t get traded for other teams top prospects. Plus NJ probably also wants immediate help given they’re contending. Something around Evans, Mailloux and one of our firsts makes more sense in my opinion, but what do I know

 

[1000eeer]

Weird coïncidence that I brought up Nemec as a prime target for us, earlier this week ...

Canadiens Should Target Devils’ Prospect Simon Nemec in a Trade - The Hockey Writers Montreal Canadiens Latest News, Analysis & More

That would be a slam dunk. Nothing less.

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Nemec
Xhekaj - Carrier

Savard (at the deadline) and Mailloux (via trade for Nemec) are expendable...

Matheson can be traded away once Reinbacher is ready.

Evans (with extension) + Mailloux + Pick for Nemec makes sense for the Devils.

 

[morhilane]

Weird coïncidence that I brought up Nemec as a prime target for us, earlier this week ...

Canadiens Should Target Devils’ Prospect Simon Nemec in a Trade - The Hockey Writers Montreal Canadiens Latest News, Analysis & More

That would be a slam dunk. Nothing less.

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Nemec
Xhekaj - Carrier

Savard (at the deadline) and Mailloux (via trade for Nemec) are expendable...

Matheson can be traded away once Reinbacher is ready.

Evans (with extension) + Mailloux + Pick for Nemec makes sense for the Devils.

Nemec can't beat Kovacevic for a spot on the Devils's line-up, but you put him with Guhle on the team main shutdown pair...

 

[Andrei79]

Nemec would be complimentary to what Reinbacher brings. I also think that if he didn't get injured, any talk of trading Reinbacher would be squashed pretty quickly as he'd be Lavals number 1D without question. I just hope the injury doesn't set him back too much, but MCL is not nearly as bad as MCL+ACL.

Back to the subject, Nemec would definitely be enticing. I think Mailloux is who would go the other way, but I'm not too sure who else would be traded. NJ wants immediate help and Montreal is in a playoff race, they can't afford to send anyone.

 

[SamHabsFan]

with Demidov coming next year, the top 6 is probably set for the future, Hage could replace Laine when the time comes, or we could resign Laine, he would have to be a bit better 5 vs 5 before Id be comfortable resigning him but he has time, he'll get there.

Slaf-suzuki-Caufield
Laine/hage- Dach- Demidov

this is a contender top 6, no problem with that!

now we do have a plethora of effective bottom 6ers on and off the roster, those who are on the roster seems to get the job done although overpaid. And we wont have enough space to play everyone that are now with laval/junior i.e. Beck, Kapanen, Davidson, Roy, Tuch, Xhekaj..etc they all have pretty good NHL future

so bottom 6 is probably set as well

now the left side of the D is probably set:

Matheson
Hutson
Guhle
Xhekaj
Strubble
Engstrom

The right side is probably where the question marks begin :

Carrier
Savard
Reinbacher
Mailloux

Savard is probably gone, so that leaves us with only Carrier with NHL experience, and we are 1 bust away from having a problem on the right side

Goaltending is good enough id say, they get the job done and we have a blue chip prospect in the pipeline

Now, there are some intriguing RD ''available'' in Nemec and Anderson, Hughes gotta be in on those right?

would a combination of Matheson + bottom 6 prospect + pick be enough? There is not anybody high end (top 6 F or Top 4 D ) that are expandable right now, and the concern I have with Nemec would be that leaves us with 6D 25 and under to contend...its not ideal. I think Id rather go for Anderson than Nemec at this point!

 

[Benstheman]

If Nemec is disponible, it's because there is no place for him on the roster right now now and in the near future and they have Casey waiting in the farm also. So forget about Reinbacher. It doesn't even make sense for NJ and to be frank, I wouldn't trade Reinbacher for Nemec 1 for 1. And for the same reason, Mailloux wouldn't be part of a package for Nemec.

And anyways, right now, Habs are not in a position to trade important roster players to NJ, because that's what they would ask for.

Off course if Habs can't sign Evans to an extension, he is a player NJ would be interested in and could be a part of a package for Nemec with one of our 1st this year. But we would need to temporarily replace Evans with a rental like Gourde or something.

Also Nemec could help us right away because I think he is an NHL player right now. Now because of him coming in, can we take a chance and trade Savard before the deadline if a team offers us a 2nd if we retain half his salary? I'm not sure I would do it but anyways. So all in all it would look like this :


IN

Nemec
Gourde (UFA)
2nd round (from Savard's trade)

Out

Evans
Habs/Cgy 1st
Savard
2nd/3rd rounder (trade for Gourde)

I don't think we downgrading much for the rest of this season if at all but we basically get a probable top RHD who was picked 2OA not long ago. With him and Reinbacher, our future at RHD would look pretty awesome.

 

[SpeedyPotato]

Nemec would be complimentary to what Reinbacher brings. I also think that if he didn't get injured, any talk of trading Reinbacher would be squashed pretty quickly as he'd be Lavals number 1D without question. I just hope the injury doesn't set him back too much, but MCL is not nearly as bad as MCL+ACL.

Back to the subject, Nemec would definitely be enticing. I think Mailloux is who would go the other way, but I'm not too sure who else would be traded. NJ wants immediate help and Montreal is in a playoff race, they can't afford to send anyone.

Maybe a 3 way trade can be made? That being said, as much as I’m enjoying this run and as much as I like Evans, if he’s gotta go in a trade for Nemec I think it’s a no brainer and then you hope that the team doesn’t suffer too much from it.

 

[vokiel]

I'm thinking Nemec is a bust like Barron and Jiricek. I don't think those are in the right mold for this NHL.

Convince me otherwise if you want, but it's at least the conclusion of 1 NHL GM on Jiricek atm.