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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

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HuGort said:
Aaron Protzline on Futa show today said Jackets are trying to sign Olivier. Said he's toughest guy in league and only one with 10 goals. Boston trying to get him he said.


I doubt Pettersson right fit mentally in Montreal.
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I remember that was said of Laine too. In any case, Nucks won't trade him for peanuts, which is always what we're giving.
 
vokiel said:
I remember that was said of Laine too. In any case, Nucks won't trade him for peanuts, which is always what we're giving.
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We aren't necessarily going to be offering peanuts, but our best potential offer would be geared towards a team looking to rebuild which probably isn't going to be Vancouver's most interesting offer.

Our best bet is that they really like Dach, and see his turn around as being legit, a cap dump with intangibles that they really value (Anderson, Savard, Gallagher), and then enough magic beans in prospects and picks to push it over the line. But it's just not likely.
 
Sorinth said:
We aren't necessarily going to be offering peanuts, but our best potential offer would be geared towards a team looking to rebuild which probably isn't going to be Vancouver's most interesting offer.

Our best bet is that they really like Dach, and see his turn around as being legit, a cap dump with intangibles that they really value (Anderson, Savard, Gallagher), and then enough magic beans in prospects and picks to push it over the line. But it's just not likely.
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0% chance.

They will want one of the big names to start. (CC, Suzuki, Slaf, Demidov) Getting a guy like EP for scraps is wishful thinking.
 
Saundies said:
I pay a little bit of attention to the goings-ons of the Leafs because I have a lot of Leaf fan friends (say that 5 times fast).

If I can recall, the rumour is that O'Reilly didn't like how Keefe coached/the regime and culture at the time and not the market itself. If I had to pit our culture against their past one, I'd take ours.

Now, would O'Reilly want to go to a bubble team and not a contender (especially a Canadian bubble team), that's another conversation. But I don't think he's averse to big markets.
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Did his agent not reach out to Montreal when he was unrestricted and ask if they were interested? I’m sure that was being discussed by Friedman et all.
 
Sorinth said:
We aren't necessarily going to be offering peanuts, but our best potential offer would be geared towards a team looking to rebuild which probably isn't going to be Vancouver's most interesting offer.

Our best bet is that they really like Dach, and see his turn around as being legit, a cap dump with intangibles that they really value (Anderson, Savard, Gallagher), and then enough magic beans in prospects and picks to push it over the line. But it's just not likely.
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Dach is our usual peanuts we don't like for gold they might have, but I agree nonetheless. We don't have anything significant enough to chocolate coat the peanuts. Even Slaf added, wouldn't help Nucks with a cup run. Maybe Dach, Matheson with some conditional 1st rounders or a blue chip prospect. Pretty far-fetched for a 100 points center, and expensive for a rebuilding team.
 
General Fanager said:
0% chance.

They will want one of the big names to start. (CC, Suzuki, Slaf, Demidov) Getting a guy like EP for scraps is wishful thinking.
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I mean I would put it at something like 5% but given Demidov is still a prospect he's part of the magic beans part of the trade. We obviously aren't going to trade Demidov, but we might go with an unprotected 1st round pick which sure we think will be a mid to late 1st, but that's also what Toronto thought when trading for Kessel. Or maybe the magic beans are Mailloux who still has the potential to be as good as some of those listed.

The point I was making was more that Vancouver has to value these things higher then many fans do. If they see Dach as a 1B possibly 1A center like many of us did just 1 year ago then a deal is possible. If they view him as a project whose not even sure to be a #2 C then yeah no chance. But neither you nor I know how Vancouver's GM views a guy like Dach.

I will also point out what Vancouver wants is kind of irrelevant since they've put themselves in a position where they almost have to make a trade so it's not about what they want but what other teams are offering. And as much as people think teams will offer star players, history has shown that when these types get traded the return is usually pretty crap. Best chance of Vancouver getting good value is a 1 for 1 or near enough problem swap like say EP for Barzal+ but there just aren't many of those deals available, and if they fall through a crappy package is the only option.
 
Sorinth said:
I will also point out what Vancouver wants is kind of irrelevant since they've put themselves in a position where they almost have to make a trade so it's not about what they want but what other teams are offering. And as much as people think teams will offer star players, history has shown that when these types get traded the return is usually pretty crap. Best chance of Vancouver getting good value is a 1 for 1 or near enough problem swap like say EP for Barzal+ but there just aren't many of those deals available, and if they fall through a crappy package is the only option.
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I would argue that they have no real reason to make such a trade. With Eichel, the surgery was the factor that forced the Sabres hand. With Tkachuk, he let them know he won't be extending with them. Allvin literally said that he believes in him. Saying "a trade is possible but anything is possible" is a nothing burger in my opinion. Even if he takes the Bergevin route where he goes back on his word quickly and trades Pettersson (similarly to when we traded Subban) it wouldn't be for pennies on the dollar, it would be for something they want and worthwhile.
 
What if Duchene gets to UFA status ? He's is a LH C who wins about 55% of his draws and should score 60 plus points for a couple years yet despite his age.
 
Sorry people but EP40 is not the awnser for our center problems.

Dude looks like another Drouin internally. Bro is getting cooked in Vancouver and the last thing we need is another headcase like him. He's skilled but I wouldn't play him above Suzuki and this guy commands 11m a year.

Id rather target Barzal , Sam Bennet , Necas (If still available) , Nick Schmaltz, Troy Terry .

Those are centers that could play with potentially Demidov and Laine next season.

That's if we need immediate help for centers. I think habs are the point to overpay for a player. Add extra 1st or a Reinbacher.

With probably Beck Suzuki and Evans adding another center would solidify our offense .
 
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dauv said:
I thought O'Reilly hated playing for the leafs as he didn't like all the attention away from the rink. If that is the case wouldn't it be worse in Montreal, if not worse at least the same. Not sure he would be happy playing here. Could be wrong but I am sure I read that somewhere
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There were a lot of expectations in Toronto. He also didn’t like how the core reacted to adversity, he made that abundantly clear. I think it would be different here. We aren’t expected to win the Cup, but take a next step. We have good young kids and a great captain.
 
The Great Weal said:
I would argue that they have no real reason to make such a trade. With Eichel, the surgery was the factor that forced the Sabres hand. With Tkachuk, he let them know he won't be extending with them. Allvin literally said that he believes in him. Saying "a trade is possible but anything is possible" is a nothing burger in my opinion. Even if he takes the Bergevin route where he goes back on his word quickly and trades Pettersson (similarly to when we traded Subban) it wouldn't be for pennies on the dollar, it would be for something they want and worthwhile.
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The need for a trade is the locker room schism and how Vancouver is slipping down the standings and could be out of a playoff spot if things continue. Now it's true they might keep EP and trade Miller instead but one of them needs to get traded and Miller has the NMC which complicates things.

Do you remember what the Bruins got for Joe Thornton? It's pretty standard to get a whole bunch of nothing when trading star players, but sometimes you get lucky and a pick or prospect turns into a star and so the deal becomes good, but more often then not those late picks or prospects do what they normally do and don't amount too much. The best trades are usually the 1 for 1 type deals where you trade a star for a star, but they are also much rarer. It's certainly the type of trade Vancouver will be looking to make, but if they can't find one then they'll end up doing the 4 quarters for a dollar and hope one of those quarters has an unexpected development boost.
 
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HuGort said:
I don't see any place for Newhook in our future
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Even when we acquired him I never did see the long term vision. I suppose they thought they could mold him into a replacement for Lehkonen on the third line but guys like Heineman or Beck are going to fill a role like that far better. Newhook is the kind of guy you throw out on PP2 for basement teams.
 
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Doom Bot said:
Even when we acquired him I never did see the long term vision. I suppose they thought they could mold him into a replacement for Lehkonen on the third line but guys like Heineman or Beck are going to fill a role like that far better. Newhook is the kind of guy you throw out on PP2 for basement teams.
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Will be used as a stop gap piece with his 2 years left and allows us to properly evaluate Beck, Kapanen, and Roy. Then Hage comes in after. Not sure if Hage is one NCAA year and right to NHL or one NCAA year and one AHL year... TBD.

Would anyone be interested in S Jones last 5 years if Gallagher was in the package going the other way? Not sure what the other parts would be but can't be much. It's a anchor contract taking him to age 35 while Gallagher has 2 years left.
 
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HabzSauce said:
Newhooks gotta go by summer at latest. I don't want him clogging up a spot in the bottom 6 after this year
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I would hold off from that. Newhook will be a good center insurance piece to have around while Beck and Kapanen are maturing in the winger/center role. Newhook's 2 years left is actually ideal. We have to be very careful with how we transition from guys like Newhook, Armia, Anderson to Beck, Kapanen, Roy, Hage. It will most likely be a process that we have to monitor.

Of course we can trade him in a package if we are after a big fish but lets not jump on Newhook as our next target. He's underperforming to his potential yes but it's at $2.9M AAV. Give him a little break and time to figure it out more. He's been moved around on our roster a fair amount.
 
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