HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Habs7631]

Regarding Nemec, I think he’s available but they’re probably gonna try to package him for a big fish. They don’t have their 1st this year but they have 3 seconds, Nemec. Casey, Silayev, Mercer and Gritstyuk. And all their 1st starting next year.

I think they’ll try to trade for the next big star forward available. They have the assets to make it happen.

 

[Heffyhoof]

A target like Nemec is nice but he needs to be available. We are talking about the #2 OA pick that the Devils likely still value very high. That likely requires us to trade Slaf or Hage or Reinbacher pieces and we prefer not too.

Remember, the point of trading for Andersson is to have impact now and future. Guys like Nemec and Reinbacher and Hage are 3+ year solutions until they are ready for prime time. By then, Suzuki is 2 years away from UFA and needs a massive raise.

It just depends where Montreal is interested in going. Unless management has total faith in Reinbacher or in Ghule playing on the right side, Montreal needs a RHD.

Nemec is on the side of the longer rebuild and Andersson is almost too old and represents the sped up rebuild. If there was somehow a player in between that becomes available then Montreal should throw everything and the kitchen sink. Reinbacher and Hage should be on the table for that.

 

[HuGort]

If we can get Rasmus NOW, we make the playoffs, boys.

Montreal should have good chance on Andersson. They have the top pick to offer. Flames own back to them. Most contenders have only late first to trade. Doubt Calgary blown away by 30th pick in draft.

 

[JadedRandom]

Montreal should have good chance on Andersson. They have the top pick to offer. Flames own back to them. Most contenders have only late first to trade. Doubt Calgary blown away by 30th pick in draft.

Given how Matheson has played recently on the right side, and how much of a stabilizing presence Carrier has been for the bottom of our lineup, do we even need Andersson for this year considering that we likely aren't gonna be competing?

For this year alone I'd say that we don't need Andersson. In the future though, he'd be a tremendous grab if we acquire him and he re-signs (depending on contract of course).

If we had some kind of assurance that Andersson would re-sign I'd say to go for it. The guy can be a great defenseman for us for the next 4-7 years without losing too much given how smartly he plays defense and how he doesn't overrely on physical attributes like skating to defend.

But sadly we have exactly none of those guarantees that he'd be open to re-signing with the Canadiens right away, and so it becomes a bit of a risky business for us to acquire a top-end D like Andersson.

If we don't play our cards right we could end up in a similar situation to Ottawa, where we acquire a guy that we ultimately end up having to trade-away the year after for lesser assets than those used to get him in the first place. That, or lose him for nothing as a UFA.

Which leads me to think that if we had to really make a move to improve our team this season and beyond, we'd have to go for someone with more team control remaining than Andersson.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Andersson seems to want to remain in Calgary; for some unknown reason.

 

[Ezpz]

Andersson seems to want to remain in Calgary; for some unknown reason.

Stockholm syndrome. Maybe malmo syndrome.

 

[Scriptor]

Andersson seems to want to remain in Calgary; for some unknown reason.

Taxes?

Always preferred paying 28% than 54%, personally, when I was down in Alberta on the Oil fields making money that placed me in the highest bracket.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Taxes?

Always preferred paying 28% than 54%, personally, when I was down in Alberta on the Oil fields making money that placed me in the highest bracket.

There's definitely better areas than Calgary for taxes, though.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I take it there's no word on moving on from Weegar ?

 

[Whalers Fan]

Oh man too many to count for me too. I just like getting on the megaphone when I was right though

Even a stopped clock is right twice per day.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

One of the positives if the Habs go for Pettersson is that he's a lefthanded shooting centre.

He's not very good on the dot, though. 50% last year, but basically at 44% 3 out of the 4 last night seasons.

 

[Goalfield13]

One of the positives if the Habs go for Pettersson is that he's a lefthanded shooting centre.

He's not very good on the dot, though. 50% last year, but basically at 44% 3 out of the 4 last night seasons.

Dach has an average FO% this year of 39.4% and has a career high average of 40.3%. 50% would be a nice upgrade.

 

[sampollock]

taxes in QC are killing deals I bet

 

[Goalfield13]

taxes in QC are killing deals I bet

Canada's high cost of living right now is going to be part of it. When it comes to taxes, the CRA going after pro athletes can't help either. I think the Habs have it better than most Canadian teams because we can structure contracts with up-front bonuses, and we have a good amount of cap room to spend a bit more than most.

 

[HuGort]

Given how Matheson has played recently on the right side, and how much of a stabilizing presence Carrier has been for the bottom of our lineup, do we even need Andersson for this year considering that we likely aren't gonna be competing?

For this year alone I'd say that we don't need Andersson. In the future though, he'd be a tremendous grab if we acquire him and he re-signs (depending on contract of course).

If we had some kind of assurance that Andersson would re-sign I'd say to go for it. The guy can be a great defenseman for us for the next 4-7 years without losing too much given how smartly he plays defense and how he doesn't overrely on physical attributes like skating to defend.

But sadly we have exactly none of those guarantees that he'd be open to re-signing with the Canadiens right away, and so it becomes a bit of a risky business for us to acquire a top-end D like Andersson.

If we don't play our cards right we could end up in a similar situation to Ottawa, where we acquire a guy that we ultimately end up having to trade-away the year after for lesser assets than those used to get him in the first place. That, or lose him for nothing as a UFA.

Which leads me to think that if we had to really make a move to improve our team this season and beyond, we'd have to go for someone with more team control remaining than Andersson.

Chance to get talent like Andersson you on the phone

 

[Goalfield13]

Chance to get talent like Andersson you on the phone

Agreed, but the Habs would also want to speak with the player to see if they are open to a long-term deal. Andersson is a good player, but he isn't going to be making $12 mil a year on the open market. We can easily afford him and structure his contract to be very beneficial for him. I don't worry about being able to afford the player, but I do worry he may not wish to be here long-term. If he doesn't, I would just pass on this trade. It's nice to have Matheson for now, but Hutson is going to need a better partner going forward.

 

[skidcells]

In terms of team construction, I think we need another top 6 C. This isn’t a post to shit on Dach but personally I see him as a winger going forward. If he finds his game, like he has in the most recent stretch, he can be a top 6 RW with possession like characteristics and a big body which in itself is rare profile. Likewise, Hage is a winger in my books in the NHL. Earlier in the year, the draft seemed like a viable option to fulfill that top 6C need. With our most recent streak that is now off the table.

That turns us to the trade market to fulfil the gap. If I am HuGo that’s my main priority. A hockey trade for a top 6C (left handed) that is in the 22-26 age group.

 

[JadedRandom]

Chance to get talent like Andersson you on the phone

If Andersson as a UFA has his pick of any NHL city to play in for the next let's say 6-8 years, do you think his first choice would be Montreal?

I don't think so, which is why there is some risk in trading for Andersson.

Problem is that he is unarguably the single-best RD that would be semi-available this year and would also perhaps fit our timeline for contention given that Andersson could still play at a high level for several years past this one if he does not get injured.

Incidentally, if Dobson was more defensive-minded he'd be an absolute slam-dunk trade target for us because he'd fit absolutely all of our criterions. But it isn't the case, and I don't really know if Dobson's game would fit in well with Hutson so that takes a lot of the incentive away to try and acquire him.

I think that our best bet in the end could be acquiring a cheaper veteran this season to help tide things over if one or more of our guys get injured, and then re-evaluate our options in the Summer of this year.