HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Habs Icing]

Trotz as per Lebrun, had been trying to land Barron, over the 12 months before he traded for him.

Trotz has also voiced dissatisfaction towards several of his players given how the team committed to UFAs this past summer and threatened to jettison some players in trades.

How would you feel if Hughes could get a Stammer off their hands, with a little retention perhaps? Yes he’s 34 but he only has 3 more years after this and plays center — great mentor filling a position of need. He’s been a high point producer over the past 3 years. They’d be getting him on a down year.

We’d have to check Newhook’s neck length to be sure but — what if Trotz values a Newhook?

It's a gamble I would not be willing to take.

 

[sampollock]

It's a gamble I would not be willing to take.

sure would not hurt..age yes... would really depend how much to get him as always

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's a gamble I would not be willing to take.

Agreed. Certainly not a gamble to make now. Maybe after 3 more years when we have a better picture of our core and cap structure.

If we make any big trades, it's for someone around Suzuki's age and comes with team control and can grow with us.

sure would not hurt..age yes... would really depend how much to get him as always

There will be better options for us. Imagine doing that move for Stamkos now (low price to acquire) and then someone like Rantanen walks to UFA because the Avs can't afford him but after we added Stamkos, we can't afford him either. Just an example.

 

[Saundies]

I’m really in the « playoffs » bandwagon but if we’re around the same position then we’re now at the deadline and Evan’s ask for 4+, I do the following :

- Trade Evan’s for a 2027 first
- Trade Savard for a 2027 2nd
- Sign Dvorak 2yrs/2M (realistic?)
- Sign Armia 2yrs/3M
- Call up Beck
- Call up Mailloux (the pairing with Xhekaj was good in Laval)

If Evans accepts something like a differed deal or lower money OR if Dvo asks for more, I’d consider swapping him and Dvo.

I know it’s not a popular take but Dvorak has quietly been very good, underlying numbers are even better then Evans’ with less shooting % (from him and line mates). Sell high on Evans, buy low on Dvo, promote Beck to NHL.

How quiet are we talking here? Tibetan Monks in a library quiet?

Dvo, IMO, is a waste of a roster spot and I can't wait to get him off the team. Guy does nothing and shows nothing.

He is the unsalted cracker washed down with room temperature water of the NHL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How quiet are we talking here? Tibetan Monks in a library quiet?

Dvo, IMO, is a waste of a roster spot and I can't wait to get him off the team. Guy does nothing and shows nothing.

He is the unsalted cracker washed down with room temperature water of the NHL.

His days are numbered. But he might stay and expire. Comes down to this possible outcome.... Evans is traded for a very good return and we prefer not to deflate Laval's playoff run by taking Beck away.

Better move is to take the futures for Evans and keep Dvorak to fill a C spot for the rest of the season. Newhook moves to C temporarily. Beck is allowed to maintain his high min's per game in Laval and go on a run with a team he played with all season

 

[Saundies]

His days are numbered. But he might stay and expire. Comes down to this..

Evans is traded for a very good return and we prefer not to deflate Laval's playoff run by taking Beck away.

Better move is to take the futures for Evans and keep Dvorak to fill a C spot for the rest of the season. Newhook moves to C temporarily. Beck is allowed to maintain his high min's per game in Laval and go on a run with a team he played with all season

I'd be fine with that and him staying for the rest of the year. But I was replying to a take of where we re-sign him and I want 0 part of that. Maybe even negative numbers part of that.

Evans is such a tricky case. If you trade him this season, you're probably going to fall out of any sort of playoff race you're trying to remain in and it could send a terrible message to the team. We are in a rebuild, yes, but he's made himself so valuable to this edition of the roster this season that it could be a huge blow to morale if he's traded.

But I also want no part in paying him 4+ million dollars on a long term deal when his contract year is by far the best he's ever played.

Could be a case where Evans is our own rental. It's not popular here because we're always trying to maximize assets but it's the approach that makes the most sense IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd be fine with that and him staying for the rest of the year. But I was replying to a take of where we re-sign him and I want 0 part of that. Maybe even negative numbers part of that.

Evans is such a tricky case. If you trade him this season, you're probably going to fall out of any sort of playoff race you're trying to remain in and it could send a terrible message to the team. We are in a rebuild, yes, but he's made himself so valuable to this edition of the roster this season that it could be a huge blow to morale if he's traded.

But I also want no part in paying him 4+ million dollars on a long term deal when his contract year is by far the best he's ever played.

Could be a case where Evans is our own rental. It's not popular here because we're always trying to maximize assets but it's the approach that makes the most sense IMO.

Yeah, no... we are not extending Dvorak. I'm 99% sure on that.

We will know more in the next 1.5 months. If the offer is late 2nd and B prospect for Evans and lets say we are 4 pts out of the playoffs, it's possible he stays with the Habs knowing he might walk. Habs are not after secondary parts at this stage but the late 1st being offered will make us consider it. Late 2nd and B prospect? We already have two 1st and two 2nd's.

I'm pretty sure Hughes sees it like us and will monitor it. He's the one who gets the phone calls about Evans and is also allowed to talk to Evans and his agent on what he would want for an extension.

 

[Benstheman]

I think under 4 M$ for 3-4 years, I'm more than good extending Evans. I don't believe in Newhook's potential as a 3rd line center and I don't think Evans contract would be problematic even if he doesn't live up to it.

4M$ + is a problem though and you have to be careful because Beck and maybe Kapanen will take his contract as a comparable after their ELC.

I'd be fine with that and him staying for the rest of the year. But I was replying to a take of where we re-sign him and I want 0 part of that. Maybe even negative numbers part of that.

Evans is such a tricky case. If you trade him this season, you're probably going to fall out of any sort of playoff race you're trying to remain in and it could send a terrible message to the team. We are in a rebuild, yes, but he's made himself so valuable to this edition of the roster this season that it could be a huge blow to morale if he's traded.

But I also want no part in paying him 4+ million dollars on a long term deal when his contract year is by far the best he's ever played.

Could be a case where Evans is our own rental. It's not popular here because we're always trying to maximize assets but it's the approach that makes the most sense IMO.

The only UFA I have interest is extending are off course Evans but also Armia. They are so solid as a bottom 6 duo and Armia has a solid playoffs history. If he agrees to a pay cut to stay, like 2,5-3M$ for 2-3 years, I definitely do it.

 

[26Mats]

It's funny because I pitched 2-3 different times as well about going after Connor McMichael after the Caps got Dubois and nobody here replied to any of my posts. Wasn't really a sexy name to ponder, I guess.

Guy would have the third most points on the team behind Suzuki and Caufield.

I also pitched signing Strome to a 1 year 3.6m AAV deal the summer we got Dach and the Blackhawks were liquidating. Posters said he is too slow, stay away...

But in fairness, there are perhaps just as many bad signings and trades I've been in favor of

 

[Benstheman]

Yeah, no... we are not extending Dvorak. I'm 99% sure on that.

We will know more in the next 1.5 months. If the offer is late 2nd and B prospect for Evans and lets say we are 4 pts out of the playoffs, it's possible he stays with the Habs knowing he might walk. Habs are not after secondary parts at this stage but the late 1st being offered will make us consider it. Late 2nd and B prospect? We already have two 1st and two 2nd's.

I'm pretty sure Hughes see's like us and will monitor it. He's the one who gets the phone calls about Evans and is also allowed to talk to Evans and his agent on what he would want for an extension.

Agreed on the late 1st being the price to pay to pry Evans away from us. But even then, if we are in the playoffs picture and we think we have a chance to extend him, I don't trade him for a late 1st. Not at this stage of the rebuild.

The Lehkonen trade was ok considering the timing, which was at the start of the rebuild. But. nonetheless, the return as we see it now is a bit underwhelming.

So now, as we are starting to be more competitive, I would be mad losing Evans for that kind of return and it wouldn't make sense at this point.

 

[26Mats]

No need for a deal for any of Nashville's forwards. Let's continue to see how Dach plays before we go spending for his replacement. I have not given up on him as a 2C quite yet. Not to mention we have a very solid candidate for 2C in our future in Hage. IMO we are not as desperate for that 2C as we were a month ago, when Dach was looking like he would never come back.

RD on the other hand. I would 100 percent make a move for a top 4 RD. Mailloux is developing as I hoped and Reinbacher is at least another season after this away.

So trade Savard, plus one of Matheson or Struble, and bring in an RD?

Steuble shouldn't be used as the number 7 much longer imo. It's not fair to his development.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think under 4 M$ for 3-4 years, I'm more than good extending Evans. I don't believe in Newhook's potential as a 3rd line center and I don't think Evans contract would be problematic even if he doesn't live up to it.

4M$ + is a problem though and you have to be careful because Beck and maybe Kapanen will take his contract as a comparable after their ELC.


The only UFA I have interest is extending are off course Evans but also Armia. They are so solid as a bottom 6 duo and Armia has a solid playoffs history. If he agrees to a pay cut to stay, like 2,5-3M$ for 2-3 years, I definitely do it.

3 year term for Evans is ideal. That would overlap Demidov's ELC and also allows for development from Kapanen, Beck, and Hage. I also don't think signing Evans "ruins" our cap. Just got to get a good AAV and keep it to 3 years. When Demidov needs a raise, we got to have cap room

Would suck for us if Evans says 5 years or he goes to UFA. That could very well be the dilemma Hughes is facing.

 

[waitin425]

So trade Savard, plus one of Matheson or Struble, and bring in an RD?

Steuble shouldn't be used as the number 7 much longer imo. It's not fair to his development.

I'd swing even higher and make a play for Dobson. Let's go all in!

Mailloux/Struble
Kapanen
2 x 2025 1st round picks - no protection

for Dobson

Trade Savard right now for whatever we can get. Keep Matheson until the summer when we need to resign Dobson and Slaf's contract kicks in. Trade Matheson in summer or next TDL.

Ride this season out with....

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Dobson
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble/Mailloux

Next year move Dobson up to first line and slide Reinbacher somewhere into this lineup

Next year....

Hutson - Dobson
Guhle - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier

 

[Benstheman]

3 year term for Evans is ideal. That would overlap Demidov's ELC and also allows for development from Kapanen, Beck, and Hage. I also don't think signing Evans "ruins" our cap. Just got to get a good AAV and keep it to 3 years. When Demidov needs a raise, we got to have cap room

Would suck for us if Evans says 5 years or he goes to UFA. That could very well be the dilemma Hughes is facing.

Yeah. I think we shouldn't worry too much about the cap until it's time to resign Suzuki in 5 years. Enough cap space and cap increases. Though there might be a tighter year in the last year of Gally and Anderson contracts. Might have to trade one with retention or buy one out. But I would be really surprised if we need to.

I'd swing even higher and make a play for Dobson. Let's go all in!

Mailloux/Struble
Kapanen
2 x 2025 1st round picks - no protection

for Dobson

Trade Savard right now for whatever we can get. Keep Matheson until the summer when we need to resign Dobson and Slaf's contract kicks in. Trade Matheson in summer or next TDL.

Ride this season out with....

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Dobson
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble/Mailloux

Next year move Dobson up to first line and slide Reinbacher somewhere into this lineup

Next year....

Hutson - Dobson
Guhle - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Carrier

If it's all it takes to get Dobson, off course you do it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah. I think we shouldn't worry too much about the cap until it's time to resign Suzuki in 5 years. Enough cap space and cap increases. Though there might be a tighter year in the last year of Gally and Anderson contracts. Might have to trade one with retention or buy one out. But I would be really surprised if we need to.


If it's all it takes to get Dobson, off course you do it.

I do think we have a fair amount of cap available but I do wonder. I was playing around with it on capwages.com the other day.

I would love to get Dobson (huge fan). But when I nit pick (something I always do as a blind spot check), I see Dobson's game not much different than Matheson. Dobson actually being a right handed shot as the difference. Dobson's giveaways, takeaways, blocks, hits, and points are similar to Matheson.

Like Matheson, Dobson would not get as much #1 PP usage with Hutson doing his thing. His numbers would drop and if we are relying on his defensive play, it's not much different than Matheson. We would have to have confidence he will improve in the D zone. For as much as I like Dobson as a young D, I think R Anderson would be a better guy to trade for.

 

[Benstheman]

I do think we have a fair amount of cap available but I do wonder. I was playing around with it on capwages.com the other day.

I would love to get Dobson (huge fan). But when I nit pick (something I always do as a blind spot check), I see Dobson's game not much different than Matheson. Dobson actually being a right handed shot as the difference. Dobson's giveaways, takeaways, blocks, hits, and points are similar to Matheson.

Like Matheson, Dobson would not get as much #1 PP usage with Hutson doing his thing. His numbers would drop and if we are relying on his defensive play, it's not much different than Matheson. We would have to have confidence he will improve in the D zone. For as much as I like Dobson as a young D, I think R Anderson would be a better guy to trade for.

I agree with Rasmus being a more logical target. The other one I wonder about is Ryan Pulock. Big guy, solid defensively and can contribute a bit offensively at ES. Plays PK. And the cost would be lower to acquire him.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah. I think we shouldn't worry too much about the cap until it's time to resign Suzuki in 5 years. Enough cap space and cap increases. Though there might be a tighter year in the last year of Gally and Anderson contracts. Might have to trade one with retention or buy one out. But I would be really surprised if we need to.


If it's all it takes to get Dobson, off course you do it.

I do think we have a fair amount of cap available but I do wonder. I was playing around with it on capwages.com the other day.

I would love to get Dobson (huge fan). But when I nit pick (something I always do as a blind spot check), I see Dobson's game not much different than Matheson. Dobson actually being a right handed shot as the difference. Dobson's giveaways, takeaways, blocks, hits, and points are similar to Matheson.

Like Matheson, Dobson would not get as much #1 PP usage with Hutson doing his thing. His numbers would drop and if we are relying on his defensive play, it's not much different than Matheson. We would have to have confidence he will improve in the D zone. For as much as I like Dobson as a young D, I think R Anderson would be a better guy to trade for.

Two unprotected 1sts is a lot. We could crash.

I don'tt think NYI are ready to rebuild, so we may need to include a vet D like Matheson or Savard.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree with Rasmus being a more logical target. The other one I wonder about is Ryan Pulock. Big guy, solid defensively and can contribute a bit offensively at ES. Plays PK. And the cost would be lower to acquire him.

Pulock is another good one. Boring but effective. Age 31-35 seasons left (5 years). Cap hit a little higher than I would like though but that's probably what R Anderson gets or more. R Anderson probably gets the 7 or 8 year extension after the last value contract year next year. Age 30-36/37

That RD search is something many other teams are doing. What I like about R Anderson the best is his skating/size combo. I believe he is a better skater than Pulock? But then I wonder, Is Pulock better to try to get because his contract is known and it ends at 35.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

if we can get a 1st for Evans take it and run with 3 1st round picks this summer will have alot of options to target the players we want

Sign UFA Mathieu Olivier

Would also like to trade for Rasmus Andersson this summer if the ask isnt too crazy

Slafkovsly - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Newhook - Beck - Olivier
Anderson - Kapanen - Gallagher

Hutson - Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble
Mailloux

Monty
Dobes

 

[sampollock]

if we can get a 1st for Evans take it and run with 3 1st round picks this summer will have alot of options to target the players we want

Sign UFA Mathieu Olivier

Would also like to trade for Rasmus Andersson this summer if the ask isnt too crazy

Slafkovsly - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Newhook - Beck - Olivier
Anderson - Kapanen - Gallagher

Hutson - Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble
Mailloux

Monty
Dobes

you would think KH would use a 1st to improve the club
how many picks and prospects can this team have
they dont have 2 farm clubs

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I think currently and the next few games are a bit of a test for the younger d group to see how they do without Savard.

They've looked good and if they continue, I think the Habs have to move on from him and Dvorak for now.

And for now that's only to Savard. I'm starting to think they might trade him, even for a lesser amount than Hughes might have in mind just so the young players play and if you have a trade to make the dcore better, you now have a better understanding of which player you can see being here long-term and which player you feel comfortable with moving on from.

Dvorak has comeback and has gotten his FO% back up, but you can find a much cheaper, possibly more useful player.

Armia and Evans are if they can reach a deal.

Armia is taking a paycut and likely 1 year.

Evans id say around 4 years for 3 mill +.5/-.25

 

[Habs Halifax]

you would think KH would use a 1st to improve the club
how many picks and prospects can this team have
they dont have 2 farm clubs

No doubt in my mind that we are ready to make a move near or on draft day but are going to wait for the right circumstance. Teams take different directions out of nowhere all the time and a player will be made available that is not even on our radar today.

Habs are in a good position with the futures we have to use. I think we prefer to trade picks than any of our prospects.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

you would think KH would use a 1st to improve the club
how many picks and prospects can this team have
they dont have 2 farm clubs

1st round picks are the best assets to have use them for trades or to move up at the draft

 

[Habs Halifax]

if we can get a 1st for Evans take it and run with 3 1st round picks this summer will have alot of options to target the players we want

Sign UFA Mathieu Olivier

Would also like to trade for Rasmus Andersson this summer if the ask isnt too crazy

Slafkovsly - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Demidov
Newhook - Beck - Olivier
Anderson - Kapanen - Gallagher

Hutson - Andersson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble
Mailloux

Monty
Dobes

R Anderson will return a lot. A RD on a value contract for one more season with not much holes to his game. Lots of teams looking to add a RD.

What does R Anderson's contract look like from age 30-37? Pretty sure he's getting the 7 or 8 year extension

 

[waitin425]

you would think KH would use a 1st to improve the club
how many picks and prospects can this team have
they dont have 2 farm clubs

Good point.

If we trade for any more picks I hope it is into the future like 2026 and '27. More chances at Mckenna and Dupont would be great. But also, that's draft capital for trades in the future. I don't think we need another '25. If anything package those two 1sts to move up or use them in a homerun style trade like my offer for Dobson.