HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Milhouse40]

I feel we have two holes. 2C and a top 4 RD. EP addressing the 2C and the top 4 RD can be addressed in the next 2 years.

I don't buy the Caufield/Suzuki narrative. Blues are not trading Thomas (for example) either. What team trades an asset like Suzuki who they developed and has a lower cap hit? That list is very low.

Best offers I have seen from other teams are:
* Barzal with small add
* Cozens/Byram

My offer trumps both. If the Canucks want more of a 1/1 or 2/1 trade, we are probably out because Dach is our only piece and he is not trending well at all. But when you add Dach, Newhook, Matheson (who keep the Canucks competitive) with two solid 1st round darts, I don't see why they would not consider it.

Interesting stuff. I'd be curious to see if EP is actually traded and what the return ends up being. Canucks need to decide before his NMC kicks in because after that, it's more challenging to find the right team and return from the teams EP accepts.

Of course they would prefer to get a bigger fish than a bunch of smaller of fish.

Let's say for the fun of it that Suzuki request a trade, would be looking to get EP in return or a bunch of scratchers that might be good in a couple of years with no certainty?

Dach and Newhook might turn out to be good but as for now, they don't come even close to what Barzal or Cozens have done in the NHL. They have season of 60+points , neither Dach or Newhook proved that yet......and 2 years of Matheson is a shitty return for 7 years of EP.

And just for the record, I'm all for trading Matheson but at one condition : We need another experience D to replace him and not in 3 months for now.

You're offer would be good if Vancouver were in a place like Chicago, Buffalo or any other rebuilding team.

 

[Guy Larose]

Doubt we even get a sniff at EP anyway. There's always someone willing to overpay.

 

[Habs Icing]

I don’t think so but I do believe they’d value hometown boy Jake Evans

Evans is a T.O. boy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Of course they would prefer to get a bigger fish than a bunch of smaller of fish.

Let's say for the fun of it that Suzuki request a trade, would be looking to get EP in return or a bunch of scratchers that might be good in a couple of years with no certainty?

Dach and Newhook might turn out to be good but as for now, they don't come even close to what Barzal or Cozens have done in the NHL. They have season of 60+points , neither Dach or Newhook proved that yet......and 2 years of Matheson is a shitty return for 7 years of EP.

And just for the record, I'm all for trading Matheson but at one condition : We need another experience D to replace him and not in 3 months for now.

You're offer would be good if Vancouver were in a place like Chicago, Buffalo or any other rebuilding team.

We had a similar situation in the past with Subban. A looming NMC and we ended up with Weber. But we all know what we were after but they fell through.
If Suzuki requested a trade, we would be after a center close to his age for sure. Problem is teams don't play nice and try to take advantage. 1/1 deals are less than 2/1 or 3/1 deals (for example). Not saying it's impossible for the Canucks to get the 1/1 trade they might be after but it's not easy. That looming NMC is a factor and time ticks away (like it did with Subban). I think the Subban situation is close to the EP situation. Two large contracts with a looming NMC. With Suzuki, there is no NMC, there is a 10 NTC list and his contract is a value contract. It's not the same

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Dach situation is the issue. Hugo has to know whether or not Dach will become a 2C by now. If not, then acquiring a 1C in EP at the same age as Suzuki would solidify our top 6 for years (overnight).

I say go for it.

Me too. If the Canucks don't like the 1/1 or 2/1 offers. The Habs can be very competitive if it's a 3/1 trade with futures mixed in.

Dach is the elephant in the room. Not like he sucks or will never improve. It's the timing of how long it might take and is he the right center behind Suzuki. Packing up Dach and Newhook with a 1st (or two) is a good dangle the Habs can afford to make. This does not cost us the future or our core... as long as the player coming in the right player

 

[salbutera]

Evans is a T.O. boy.

Thanks - for whatever reason I though I had heard him say his family lives in Van

 

[Habs Halifax]

Doubt we even get a sniff at EP anyway. There's always someone willing to overpay.

I think the looming NMC is a factor like it was with Subban for us back when. If the Canucks are worried about how that contract ages or think Pettersson heart is somewhere else, they will try to trade him but that is a slippery slope like it was with Subban back when. Trades like this are usually circumstantial. Many teams call and offer packages and it takes a long time to find the right mix for both sides to be happy. If the Canucks are serious about trading Pettersson, they have from now till July. After that, his value becomes tricky because he approves any trade.

We have seen teams with the inside edge loose out due to prolonged back/forth phone calls at the same time other teams constantly changing their offers. This is a very large contract with lots of signing bonus money and a NMC that kicks in July. Canucks will want a very good return but it remains to be seen if they get the offers they think they deserve.

 

[sampollock]

EP has 1 100 pt year and 1 90 point year

just sayin

 

[TT1]

lol

 

[McGuires Corndog]

EP has 1 100 pt year and 1 90 point year

just sayin

The Habs have no reason to blow their wad on EP at this stage of the rebuild.

 

[sampollock]

The Habs have no reason to blow their wad on EP at this stage of the rebuild.

just stated his points
I dont think he will come, but some feel it would be a good move

 

[McGuires Corndog]

just stated his points
I dont think he will come, but some feel it would be a good move

Unless you can retain salary, it’s not.

He’s producing less than Suzuki and paid almost 4m a season more. It’s a bad contract.

You’d have to get the Canucks to eat part of his salary, Dach would have to go the other way, and you’d have to ensure your not giving up any of our current or upcoming core players for this trade to make sense.

A swap between Van and NYI makes the most sense.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

lol

Sounds like a translation issue for hot head comment

 

[dauv]

Gallagher for Petersson, E5.

Vancouver would need to add Hughes (at the very least).

 

[xposbrad]

Not sure where our cap room is next year, but hoping we can get Rantonen in FA. Not sure COL has that much cap room to go 12m a year for him. I know we need to extend Hutson and Slaf's overpaid contract starts next year, but does it look like we have 12m free next year?

 

[Deus ex machina]

I had a lot of different packages no doubt. Roy was not part of it (that I am sure of). There was no way of knowing the actual context that the Jackets wanted to move Laine with little salary coming back. Most teams were making offers with contracts going back (like with me and Anderson in the trade as well). Why have you choose to not talk about that part? Because I vividly remember saying... yeah but Anderson is in that package too

Oh yeah, i remember now that you wanted to send Anderson the other way at first.
I remember telling to you that the Habs would have to pay to send back Anderson and it didn't make sense to lose assets when they had enough cap space to take on Laine at full salary, or close to it, without sending salary back.
I thought the Habs would only take Laine at under 7.8M to keep their salary structure. I was wrong about that part. (See, it didn't hurt to admit it)

I probably said the same thing as today... My offer is the max point. I dislike when posters target max offers and don't remember the low points. You list something low and the nit pick fans come out to play and then you list a max point and you get hit by the nit pickers again.

Max point...is that a new thing now?
There's a pretty wide margin between a 1st, Struble, 2 other pieces and...basically free.
At least for me.

Lots of nit pickers. How dare they!?
How about listing something realistic?

Most of my stance was defending Laine in Montreal (and with Anderson in the package to offset the salary). This was the biggest part of my debates in case you don't remember. I had a lot of replies that said Montreal is the last place Laine should be and I bet you were one of them. I'll do the same as you are doing today... take guess and try to remember what was said and then use it against you

That's a pretty baseless accusation.
Do you really want to bet?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Interesting comment I seen about the Sabres in the Pettersson trade talk...

I just learned about the cash flow implications - Pegula is not touching this one. Everything he has done since 2020 with the Sabres has been about cash flow. It's why we should continue to have no hope. He's on the hook for stadium overruns for the new NFL stadium, and the Sabres generate nothing now that he killed the market. His (incredibly large) wealth is tied up in assets, and he has major cash going out the door in the hundreds of millions. He just sold a minority share in the Bills to help offset these.

We be screwed.

Oh yeah, i remember now that you wanted to send Anderson the other way at first.
I remember telling to you that the Habs would have to pay to send back Anderson and it didn't make sense to lose assets when they had enough cap space to take on Laine at full salary, or close to it, without sending salary back.
I thought the Habs would only take Laine at under 7.8M to keep their salary structure. I was wrong about that part. (See, it didn't hurt to admit it)


Max point...is that a new thing now?
There's a pretty wide margin between a 1st, Struble, 2 other pieces and...basically free.
At least for me.

Lots of nit pickers. How dare they!?
How about listing something realistic?


That's a pretty baseless accusation.
Do you really want to bet?

If your point is to point out that my offer is very high for Petterson, you win. I already said it was very high.

I also offered more for Laine that was required. I was not aware that they didn't want to take any salary back. But I will stand firm, Anderson was in that package and more had to be offered to dump that contract.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Not sure where our cap room is next year, but hoping we can get Rantonen in FA. Not sure COL has that much cap room to go 12m a year for him. I know we need to extend Hutson and Slaf's overpaid contract starts next year, but does it look like we have 12m free next year?

Passing over the dumb dig, assuming a 92 Mil cap next offseason, Montreal should have about 12 mil in space total with 15 players under contract.

That includes Price's contract, which can easily be moved for cheap/nothing considering how many teams need to reach the cap floor, Montreal can afford Rantanen at 12 mil (he'll probably get more on the open market though). Even accounting for Hutson's next contract.

 

[sampollock]

Passing over the dumb dig, assuming a 92 Mil cap next offseason, Montreal should have about 12 mil in space total with 15 players under contract.

That includes Price's contract, which can easily be moved for cheap/nothing considering how many teams need to reach the cap floor, Montreal can afford Rantanen at 12 mil (he'll probably get more on the open market though). Even accounting for Hutson's next contract.

thus I hope a deal is made for a centre and a RD is possible

 

[salbutera]

Passing over the dumb dig, assuming a 92 Mil cap next offseason, Montreal should have about 12 mil in space total with 15 players under contract.

That includes Price's contract, which can easily be moved for cheap/nothing considering how many teams need to reach the cap floor, Montreal can afford Rantanen at 12 mil (he'll probably get more on the open market though). Even accounting for Hutson's next contract.

It’s why if an imaginary EP deal were to manifest, Price’s contract would need to go Van way to offset cap burden

Dach + Mailloux + Price contract

HuGo need to have all their homework done on EP though… I’m curious why a Swedish GM (Allvin) w Sedin twins as consultants would be ok in dealing a fellow Swede who just a year ago was looked at being a top-5 NHL talent

 

[Kimota]

lol

OK then, I'll take that Hot Head.

 

[jrom]

NYR is probably looking at Miller way more than EP. Yea he’s very talented (EP) but not sure it’s what any team need to get them to the next stage in the playoffs.

 

[Kimota]

Patterson-Lafreniere I'm betting

 

[Captain Mountain]

It’s why if an imaginary EP deal were to manifest, Price’s contract would need to go Van way to offset cap burden

Dach + Mailloux + Price contract

Not really. There are going to be at least a few rebuilding teams who will need to either sign or trade for a lot of salary to reach the cap floor next offseason. Taking on a year of Price's insured IR/LTIR for nothing is far more cost effective than taking on a bad contract or signing a bad long-term contract.

Vancouver has more than enough cap (that's also an awful trade for Vancouver).

 

[salbutera]

Canucks: Patrik Allvin's tough Pettersson talk could mean a few things. A trade is one

Patrick Allvin is being publicly critical of his star player Elias Pettersson. What's he doing?

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