HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs Halifax]

If the Canucks traded EP to Montreal it isn't happening without them asking for Suzuki back. They aren't giving up a player of that magnitude for prospects and picks, it just isn't happening.

Don't overlook the high AAV EP has with over 50% paid as signing bonus. Plus he has a full NMC that kicks in July 1st. No team is going to do a 1/1 trade and offer a piece like Suzuki who has a lower AAV and is just as proven.

Only one I can think about (1/1 trade) is Barzal. Are there any others?

 

[TheBuriedHab]

EP for Barzal straight up is something I'm watching for.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Which is why I think he heads to the Rangers.........everyone is up for grabs there.......except maybe the goalie.

Zibanejad is the likely piece the Rangers would offer. 3 more years left at $8.5M vs 7 more years with EP at $11.6M. Rangers add their 1st? However, Ziby has a full NMC so he would have to waive.

Canucks will be looking at a center coming back... no doubt in my mind.

EP for Barzal straight up is something I'm watching for.

That might happen. Barzal waives his NTC I am sure to go home.

 

[Egresch]

At the draft I’d trade Matheson, Struble, a prospect (choice of Kidney, Harvey-Pinard or Farrell) and Montreal’s 2nd and 3rd round picks (acquired from Pittsburgh and New Jersey) for Colton Parayko of the St Louis Blues.

This will not bring you Parayko. Struble would be ok for them, but I guess they would ask for RHD prospect (Mailloux at least). They are looking to bring some youth to their blueline, but Parayko is a legit RD1, one of the best in the league at 6.5M, so it would cost a lot.

I’d still move Savard at the deadline, with a handshake deal in place that he’d be re-signed in the offseason on a cheap deal (1.75 max).

Savard is our worst D already, why would we extend him? He is too slow and we need spot for some young player Mailloux/Reinbacher.

 

[vokiel]

We have the pieces to do it but the real question is the pieces we want to offer might not be good enough.

This might get it done and remember, EP has a very large contract with lots of signing bonus structure. Full NMC kicks in July 1st. This might be PK Subban round 2

Draft day trade:
* Dach (NHL body that the Canucks will want at center)
* Habs 1st (after lottery)
* Flames/Panthers 1st

Canucks save salary cap to go after someone this summer. How much do they like/dislike Dach? No idea but two 1st rounders on top is a pretty good dangle IMO.

That's not an offer to win now. Dach sucks, and the 2 first don't win squat for another 2-3 years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's not an offer to win now. Dach sucks, and the 2 first don't win squat for another 2-3 years.

It's the best we probably can do without touching other parts we have that we rather keep.

What we don't know is how much other GM's are worried about that $11.6M cap hit with a looming NMC (July 1st). Plus the signing bonus money that many owners hate. This stinks like a PK Subban round 2 situation. Canucks have to decide before July 1st and everyone knows it. You don't think GM's will try to circle around like vultures in this situation?

Very possible Lou offers Barzal and the Canucks bite on that (Barzal from BC). But does that make them win now? Not really. This will be about the now and the future if they trade EP.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

It's the best we probably can do without touching other parts we have that we rather keep.

What we don't know is how much other GM's are worried about that $11.6M cap hit with a looming NMC (July 1st). Plus the signing bonus money that many owners hate. This stinks like a PK Subban round 2 situation. Canucks have to decide before July 1st and everyone knows it. You don't think GM's will try to circle around like vultures in this situation?

Very possible Lou offers Barzal and the Canucks bite on that (Barzal from BC). But does that make them win now? Not really. This will be about the now and the future if they trade EP.

I take Barzal over that package any day if I'm the Canucks. Best case for them is a lateral move.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I take Barzal over that package any day if I'm the Canucks. Best case for them is a lateral move.

I would agree with that. Lou might offer it 1/1 and not budge while the Canucks might ask for more and/or explore other options. Lou says, give me a call if you want to do it 1/1.

Not many other 1/1 options I can see happening though. I think many teams will offer package deals and the teams tight to cap will offer some form of cap dump

 

[Saundies]

Zibanejad is the likely piece the Rangers would offer. 3 more years left at $8.5M vs 7 more years with EP at $11.6M. Rangers add their 1st? However, Ziby has a full NMC so he would have to waive.

Canucks will be looking at a center coming back... no doubt in my mind.



That might happen. Barzal waives his NTC I am sure to go home.

It sucks that the Rangers have suddenly become persona non-grata tradewise for us because I'd take MZ as a buy-low candidate.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It sucks that the Rangers have suddenly become persona non-grata tradewise for us because I'd take MZ as a buy-low candidate.

I'm personally open to a Dach+ offer to improve our center depth while Dach gets a shot to mature with another team. Still potential there but he's on a long development road it appears.

MZ would be a good buy low situation for us if the trade made sense but would he want to come to Montreal or have us on his NTC list? Not sure. I don't like his age with the term left though

 

[Deebs]

It sucks that the Rangers have suddenly become persona non-grata tradewise for us because I'd take MZ as a buy-low candidate.

Mika is on the back stretch of his career and is playing like it. He'll be 32 in a couple months with another 5 years left on his contract. Let someone else play the fool and take it on.

 

[sampollock]

I share your thoughts on UFAs, we’re not a destination market and HuGo will have a steep uphill climb.

However, we are a destination management contingent and a welcoming teammate environment, which, when you listen to incoming players like Carrier and others, is not found everywhere. By destination management I mean how Hughes shows care toward players and tries to accommodate their wishes whenever they are moved. Maybe that scores a few points with those UFAs on the fence.

As for EP, I’m afraid he’d cost player(s) we’d hate to give up and the negative comments about him makes me wary of his contract. Might depend on how much Hughes can squeeze out of any negotiations with his counterpart.

good read

 

[Egresch]

Mika is on the back stretch of his career and is playing like it. He'll be 32 in a couple months with another 5 years left on his contract. Let someone else play the fool and take it on.

Terrible contract for player on decline. By the end of this season, Dach could be a better option already.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Mika is on the back stretch of his career and is playing like it. He'll be 32 in a couple months with another 5 years left on his contract. Let someone else play the fool and take it on.

Yep. 5 years left.
Good luck Rangers getting rid of that contract.

 

[BLONG7]

Terrible contract for player on decline. By the end of this season, Dach could be a better option already.

I also think, that the boys are not ready to give up on Dach yet.........

 

[The Great Weal]

I’d love to upgrade on Dvorak with ROR

 

[gusfring]

I also think, that the boys are not ready to give up on Dach yet.........

I'm not giving up on Dach either.

 

[Benstheman]

It's the best we probably can do without touching other parts we have that we rather keep.

What we don't know is how much other GM's are worried about that $11.6M cap hit with a looming NMC (July 1st). Plus the signing bonus money that many owners hate. This stinks like a PK Subban round 2 situation. Canucks have to decide before July 1st and everyone knows it. You don't think GM's will try to circle around like vultures in this situation?

Very possible Lou offers Barzal and the Canucks bite on that (Barzal from BC). But does that make them win now? Not really. This will be about the now and the future if they trade EP.

I'm pretty sure any deal that would bring EP here would include Matheson. They have been on record looking for a top 4 PMD for weeks now.

If they want a center also, we have only Dach and Newhook that could fit the bill.

We would have to use one of Hage or Mailloux to round up the package. But I would be really reluctant to part with Hage, more so if Dach is in the deal.

The piece that doesn't work is the center, unless Dach is having a solid second half of the season.

So all in all, if the deal happens during the summer and Dach found his groove back in the second half of the season, a deal I would make is the following :

Matheson
Dach
Mailloux
Any other part needed to complete the deal (2026 pick or b prospect Ala Roy, Mesar, etc.)

It sucks that the Rangers have suddenly become persona non-grata tradewise for us because I'd take MZ as a buy-low candidate.

I'd take Trocheck before MZ.

 

[Benstheman]

I also think, that the boys are not ready to give up on Dach yet.........

They are not. They invested too much to give up already on him. At least, you let him get back a bit of value before trading him.

 

[sampollock]

The 2nd line centre we get will not be a 12 mil player.

 

[Benstheman]

The 2nd line centre we get will not be a 12 mil player.

Well if we get EP, Suzuki becomes the. no.2 C. So our 2C would make 7,85M$.

Seriously, the best that could happen to us is Dach getting it back and living up to his potential.

 

[sampollock]

Well if we get EP, Suzuki becomes the. no.2 C. So our 2C would make 7,85M$.

Seriously, the best that could happen to us is Dach getting it back and living up to his potential.

you are correct if that happens
I dont think KH gets a centre in a trade that is making 11+
I could be wrong though but I stay with that comment

 

[Benstheman]

you are correct if that happens
I dont think KH gets a centre in a trade that is making 11+
I could be wrong though but I stay with that comment

Yeah I tend to agree but it all depends on the fit and the price to acquire.

EP + Suzuki would be top 5 duo in the league offensively and defensively. They both have been Selke candidates in the past two years. You add Beck and Evans to them and you got yourself a perfect centerline for at least 5 years (reminder of Suzuki's contract).

 

[Sterling Archer]

I’d rather pay Rantanen $14M then give up a kings ransom for EP and pay $11M. That way you can keep the assets and/or use some of them to shore up other parts of the lineup. With the number of UFAs Habs have, cap going up and Price eventually coming off the books, there’s plenty of spots and cash to pay for premium players and add to the clubs depth.

Add a player of Rantanens caliber, a top RHD and the prospects coming up like Demidov, Hage etc. and you have a deep and talented team.

 

[Benstheman]

I’d rather pay Rantanen $14M then give up a kings ransom for EP and pay $11M. That way you can keep the assets and/or use some of them to shore up other parts of the lineup. With the number of UFAs Habs have, cap going up and Price eventually coming off the books, there’s plenty of spots and cash to pay for premium players and add to the clubs depth.

Add a player of Rantanens caliber, a top RHD and the prospects coming up like Demidov, Hage etc. and you have a deep and talented team.

I'm all for getting a top 10 player like Rantanen but it would only make sense if Demidov is seen as a top 6 center. If not, Laine is not coming back and you bet on Dach or Hage (in 3 years) to become your other top 6 C.