HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Goalfield13]

They're not going to set us back at all.. they gave up picks that rarely return players of their caliber. They moved an expendable piece in Romanov.

The rebuild is not going to be made or broken by those two trades, nor the assets they gave up in either of those deals. I'd also be super cautious making sweeping generalizations on Kirby Dach right now.

Oh please. If Romanov is expendable, what does that make Dach and Newhook. I would rather have Romanov, 2023 31st and 37th at this point. We got players like Beck around that range, and we got Hutson late 2nd. I would choose us keeping a top 4 physical D and two good picks (since we actually draft well). Romanov expendable lol. What a BS excuse for a bad trade.

Edit: I also didn't say the trades were going to break us. I said they could set us back. Why do you argue in this way? You twist people's words to a ridiculous degree. I guess it is hard to debate when you use someone's actual words and arguments.

 

[Fuonki]

I think Hugo should trade both second round picks for a late first round pick. So we have 3 first round picks. We can ship Savard for a 2nd and Dvorak for another 2nd. Armia for a 3rd and Pezzetta for a 5th. Use those picks to get a late first round pick
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You're seriously delusional if you think anyone is giving you a second for Savard or Dvorak, let alone a third for Armia. I'd be shocked if any of these players were picked up for free from waivers if we sent them down

 

[red devil]

 

[morhilane]

Everyone wants to make moves.
Ergo, everyone has shitty line-ups!

Good job extending the league, it's only going to get worst.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Oh please. If Romanov is expendable, what does that make Dach and Newhook. I would rather have Romanov, 2023 31st and 37th at this point. We got players like Beck around that range, and we got Hutson late 2nd. I would choose us keeping a top 4 physical D and two good picks (since we actually draft well). Romanov expendable lol. What a BS excuse for a bad trade.

Edit: I also didn't say the trades were going to break us. I said they could set us back. Why do you argue in this way? You twist people's words to a ridiculous degree. I guess it is hard to debate when you use someone's actual words and arguments.

I was a huge Romanov fan and wish he was still around, but with the clutter of LHD he was the only guy with real value at the time. In order to try and fill a hole in another area, he was the only guy who could be moved and it still makes sense to take a risk in trading for Dach given it is rare for players with his type of potential to be available.

- Matheson was signed long-term and it was before he broke out offensively
- Edmundson was injury prone and difficult to move at that point
- Guhle hadn't played a game in the NHL, his value wasn't close to what it'd be today
- Harris had only a handful of games and didn't have a ton of value
- Xhekaj was a UDFA with no NHL games under his belt, likely minimal value


Hughes is part of the management group that is drafting well, odds are he looked at who would be available at 31st and 37th and wasn't impressed with who'd be there and thought Newhook would be a better gamble. Last year Newhook was trending in the right direction, however this year, like a lot of players he's taken a step back.

Over the years we've had plenty of times we picked multiple times in the 30s or soon after, the only meaningful pick was Romanov. We have lucked out with guys like Hutson in the 2nd round, but more often than not you are picking career AHLers or guys who will end up in Europe.

In 2012 we drafted Collberg 33rd and Thrower 51st
In 2013 we drafted De la Rose 34th and Fucale 36th
In 2017 we drafted Brook 56th and Ikonen 58th
In 2018 we drafted Ylonen 35th and Romanov 38th
In 2020 we drafted Tuch 47th and Mysak 48th

 

[Sterling Archer]

 

[Sterling Archer]

Looks like just about every team wants to deal now

 

[salbutera]

Romanov is better than both easily, and the 31st and 37th hurt.

Dach has had injury issues, and wasn't exactly doing well in Chicago, who were quick to be rid of him entering a rebuild. it's telling.

Newhook is pretty much what he was in Colorado, and was never worth that trade package.

Why? What’s the historical probability those picks ever play a single NHL game?

 

[vokiel]

Why? What’s the historical probability those picks ever play a single NHL game?

How about you convince us we couldn't have traded for better with those picks?

I agree, the picks aren't any better, but still, I think we could have targeted a more physical/impact-producing forward.

 

[Goalfield13]

I was a huge Romanov fan and wish he was still around, but with the clutter of LHD he was the only guy with real value at the time. In order to try and fill a hole in another area, he was the only guy who could be moved and it still makes sense to take a risk in trading for Dach given it is rare for players with his type of potential to be available.

- Matheson was signed long-term and it was before he broke out offensively
- Edmundson was injury prone and difficult to move at that point
- Guhle hadn't played a game in the NHL, his value wasn't close to what it'd be today
- Harris had only a handful of games and didn't have a ton of value
- Xhekaj was a UDFA with no NHL games under his belt, likely minimal value


Hughes is part of the management group that is drafting well, odds are he looked at who would be available at 31st and 37th and wasn't impressed with who'd be there and thought Newhook would be a better gamble. Last year Newhook was trending in the right direction, however this year, like a lot of players he's taken a step back.

Over the years we've had plenty of times we picked multiple times in the 30s or soon after, the only meaningful pick was Romanov. We have lucked out with guys like Hutson in the 2nd round, but more often than not you are picking career AHLers or guys who will end up in Europe.

In 2012 we drafted Collberg 33rd and Thrower 51st
In 2013 we drafted De la Rose 34th and Fucale 36th
In 2017 we drafted Brook 56th and Ikonen 58th
In 2018 we drafted Ylonen 35th and Romanov 38th
In 2020 we drafted Tuch 47th and Mysak 48th

If we had a clutter of LD, getting rid of a young physical D that was already looking like a top 4 D was not the piece to move. We should have been worried that Chicago was willing to let big, top 3 drafted C go in the first place. Going into the rebuild with Guhle and Romanov was pretty nice. Without Hutson, we would be relying hard on Matheson right now and would need him going forward. You don't count your D before they hatch, and Romanov hatched.

And yes, Hutson was luck. 62nd pick. Undersized big time. If people can say Bergevin lucked out on Suzuki and Caufield, I can use their logic against them and say Hutson was luck.

No way anyone looked at Newhook in Colorado and thought he was worth that package. We got destroyed in that trade, and I like Newhook.

 

[salbutera]

Looks like just about every team wants to deal now

Just goes to show the level of parity in the NHL, playoffs are no longer a given for any team and there are no powerhouse teams..

 

[Goalfield13]

Why? What’s the historical probability those picks ever play a single NHL game?

More kicks at the can is what a rebuilding team needs. it is called playing the percentages. Might as well get rid of all our picks after #15 by that logic and miss out on players like Beck and Hutson.

 

[ReHabs]

Not sure how commentators can be so high on Michael Hage and Lane Hutson and also dismiss criticism of Kent Hughes’ decision to use a pair of similar picks to acquire soft Alex Newhook (currently on pace for less than 20pts).

The gamble on Dach was far more sensible with his (theoretically) much higher upside.

 

[salbutera]

How about you convince us we couldn't have traded for better with those picks?

I agree, the picks aren't any better, but still, I think we could have targeted a more physical/impact-producing forward.

The NYR are reportedly looking to trade a “physical / imp t producing F” Kreider…

A season is a marathon not a sprint, Habs are 7pts out of a wildcard spot / 3rd the division w 2GP in hand and are about to start playing weaker competition in their schedule w Laine & Roy about to be inserted into the lineup this moving players into proper chairs:

Newhook on 3rd line, Evans to 4th line etc. I will be shocked if Habs don’t enter Dec 5pts or less out of wildcard / 3rd in division…. or in the words of Molson & HuGo “in da mix”

Patience…

 

[Goalfield13]

Not sure how commentators can be so high on Michael Hage and Lane Hutson and also dismiss criticism of Kent Hughes’ decision to use a pair of similar picks to acquire soft Alex Newhook (currently on pace for less than 20pts).

The gamble on Dach was far more sensible with his (theoretically) much higher upside.

I agree that the Dach trade was more sensible, but it was still a "bird in the hand" situation where he had a legit NHL talent and traded him away for the bird in the bush.

 

[sampollock]

Team needs guys that are hard to play against. too many soft players
get some workers that like to hit, make room for the soft ones to have more ice

 

[Goalfield13]

The NYR are reportedly looking to trade a “physical / imp t producing F” Kreider…

A season is a marathon not a sprint, Habs are 7pts out of a wildcard spot / 3rd the division w 2GP in hand and are about to start playing weaker competition in their schedule w Laine & Roy about to be inserted into the lineup this moving players into proper chairs:

Newhook on 3rd line, Evans to 4th line etc.

Patience…

Are you seriously arguing we have a shot at the playoffs?? Also, Evans is the second best C we have on this team. He is in the chair he needs to be in because Dach and Newhook suck. Evans in the 2C chair based off merits means no playoffs, my friend.

 

[salbutera]

Are you seriously arguing we have a shot at the playoffs?? Also, Evans is the second best C we have on this team. He is in the chair he needs to be in because Dach and Newhook suck. Evans in the 2C chair based off merits means no playoffs, my friend.

A Shot? Yup…4 months + left to go

Historically need to be less than double digits out by US Thanksgiving to have a legit chance at competing for playoff spot, Habs sit at 7 w games in hand and weak schedule ahead

 

[Goalfield13]

Team needs guys that are hard to play against. too many soft players
get some workers that like to hit, make room for the soft ones to have more ice

You know who is hard to play against? Romanov.

A Shot? Yup…4 months + left to go

I like your optimism.

 

[LaP]

Just goes to show the level of parity in the NHL, playoffs are no longer a given for any team and there are no powerhouse teams..

People have been laughing at Buffalo all years long but they are just one win away from the 2nd position in the division lol This said NYR are 12-6-1 and still firmly in a playoffs spot i doubt they are desperate to make a move.

 

[Sorinth]

Not sure how commentators can be so high on Michael Hage and Lane Hutson and also dismiss criticism of Kent Hughes’ decision to use a pair of similar picks to acquire soft Alex Newhook (currently on pace for less than 20pts).

The gamble on Dach was far more sensible with his (theoretically) much higher upside.

One thing to keep in mind is that they are also limited in the number of prospects both via the contract limit and simple roster spots. So if you are flush with picks it makes sense to trade some for a more established player.

So I don't believe the criticism should really be that we traded picks for a player, the criticism should be the pro-scouting that pointed us towards wanting Newhook. That said Newhook of last year did very well, so understanding why this year has been so different is necessary before we can really judge. For instance if Newhook is put on IR tomorrow and it revealed that he's been playing through an injury for the past month it wouldn't exactly shock me. And then the cricisim towards Hughes wouldn't be the trade but why we play injured players instead of letting the rest and get healthy.

 

[salbutera]

You know who is hard to play against? Romanov.

Not a USA Hockey type player, which are HuGo & MSL types

 

[Goalfield13]

People have been laughing at Buffalo all years long but they are just one win away from the 2nd position in the division lol

Buffalo goes on runs nearly every year early and fall back down to Earth every time. You have a short memory.

 

[morhilane]

Just goes to show the level of parity in the NHL, playoffs are no longer a given for any team and there are no powerhouse teams..

Not sure it's "parity". Two coaches have been fired since the season started. A few more teams are totally dysfunctional on the ice most games and not just "rebuidling ones".

And now the GM of a team with 12 wins and 6 loses is talking trades to shake up his roster after a bad lost?

 

[salbutera]

Not sure it's "parity". Two coaches have been fired since the season started. A few more teams are totally dysfunctional on the ice most games and not just "rebuidling ones".

And now the GM of a team with 12 wins and 6 loses is talking trades to shake up his roster after a bad lost?

Because ownership of all the teams want $$, and hockey management see there isn’t that much difference between the 32-teams. Margin is razor thin.

Historically there would be 4-5 teams 10pts or more out of a playoff spot, there isn’t 1-team in double digits out of a wildcard birth as we approach US Thanksgiving / Dec