HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[26Mats]

Demidov isn't a C. People have to stop with that notion that he could be play there. Hage is at least 2 season away to play 2C with any effectiveness, so this is not an option for now. Unless we finish dead last, I dont think we can count of our 1st 2025 to play next season with the team, so again, not an option.

Regarding value, i dont know if this is enough or not, that was not the point of my post, I was more pointing to the fact that Roy may be better leverage in a trade as he's not addressing a area of need right now.

- I'm more interested in a long term solution. So I was talking about long term solutions, and then mentioned short term stop gap solutions.

- A Habs scout in the Habs post draft video said he could see Demidov becoming a number 1 C. I don't know myself if that's true or not.

- Whether Roy fits or not, I don't see him getting us a 2c. It's a hard position to fill - if you want a 2c that helps you contend.

- We'll see what Hughes has in store. I'm most hopeful for this year's 2025 pick. Which is partly why I'm happy we're at the bottom of the standings. Dach's struggles make it more so that I would have wanted to roll the dice on a versatile talented vet like Monahan as a stop gap, even if it had to be for 5 years. But if we had him, we probably wouldn't be at the bottom of the standings, and our 2025 1st would be less likely to get us that future 2c - or 1c to push Suzuki to 2c.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Dach for Zegras

Newhook and Farrel for Zegras and Johnston.

 

[Goalfield13]

Why would it be idiotic to trade him for an equivalent RD?

I'd rather trade other assets than to trade him for a RD and then draft a guess to replace him at LD. While our LD is "deep" it isn't deep enough to replace Guhle so easily. It is way too risky. Trade other assets. Keep the guy who signed a long-term cheap deal who is already playing big minutes at 22. Appreciate what you have.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'd rather trade other assets than to trade him for a RD and then draft a guess to replace him at LD. While our LD is "deep" it isn't deep enough to replace Guhle so easily. It is way too risky. Trade other assets. Keep the guy who signed a long-term cheap deal who is already playing big minutes at 22. Appreciate what you have.

Me personally I would keep Guhle and draft Schaefer without thinking about it if he’s the BPA. I see no issue with keeping both, and Hutson. If it does become an issue it will be a good problem to have.

I think we need help everywhere and I’m not going to rank any guys lower based on our current team needs.

 

[Mrb1p]

What are the most glaring need of this team right now?? 2C, Bottom 6 with grit and RD. Does he check any of these boxes?? no. So he need to outplay a skill guy to be useful. On that, what is our top 6, let see:
CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov

Who is Roy replacing in this top 6?? nobody in the short term and he'll have to outplay Hage and our 1st 2025 long term. So by default, we will need to play him on the 3rd line, and we know that our bottom 6 need different type of players then him. My point is not to say that Roy is trash, it's to ask yourself what's his future with this team and see if you can address an area of need from an area of strength.

None of Laine, Dach and Demidov are top 6ers right now. There is also no reasons why he, or the other wingers cannot play on the third line.

Hage is not going to be here for another 2 years.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Newhook and Farrel for Zegras and Johnston.

I'm sure Anaheim could get a better offer elsewhere.

 

[Mrb1p]

Why would it be idiotic to trade him for an equivalent RD?

Then what do we do with the left side? Run Hutson-Strubel-Xhekaj? It's opening up a hole to fix another. Who are we acquiring for Guhle?

 

[Kosseca]

- I'm more interested in a long term solution. So I was talking about long term solutions, and then mentioned short term stop gap solutions.

- A Habs scout in the Habs post draft video said he could see Demidov becoming a number 1 C. I don't know myself if that's true or not.

- Whether Roy fits or not, I don't see him getting us a 2c. It's a hard position to fill - if you want a 2c that helps you contend.

- We'll see what Hughes has in store. I'm most hopeful for this year's 2025 pick. Which is partly why I'm happy we're at the bottom of the standings. Dach's struggles make it more so that I would have wanted to roll the dice on a versatile talented vet like Monahan as a stop gap, even if it had to be for 5 years. But if we had him, we probably wouldn't be at the bottom of the standings, and our 2025 1st would be less likely to get us that future 2c - or 1c to push Suzuki to 2c.

Roy isn't a short term solution and I would think that any evaluation should have next season in mind and this is where I dont see a chair for him.

Regarding value, I dont know what is needed for a 2c or what is the value other team would give to Roy, and using him as a trade bait for a 2C was just an example. You could try to get a RD or a guy that fit more the 3rd line role.

Getting a 2c is starting to be a priority - Getting a Vet is a valid an option right now as any.

 

[Kosseca]

None of Laine, Dach and Demidov are top 6ers right now. There is also no reasons why he, or the other wingers cannot play on the third line.

Hage is not going to be here for another 2 years.

If you trade Roy... it is not only for a now only solution and pushing Roy/Laine/Dach or Demidov on the 3rd line does not address the need for grit and energy.

Anyway, as I said, I'm not trashing Roy, i just think KH should use him in a trade to address other needs.

 

[Hannibal]

Well apparently we tried to make a deal with ottawa 3 years ago it was armia and other players involved.

As per Pierre mcGuire who was working for Ottawa at that time.

At least it confirms me they wont re-sign that piece of trash

 

[Mrb1p]

If you trade Roy... it is not only for a now only solution and pushing Roy/Laine/Dach or Demidov on the 3rd line does not address the need for grit and energy.

Anyway, as I said, I'm not trashing Roy, i just think KH should use him in a trade to address other needs.

Plenty of teams won without 4 energy/gritty wingers in the bottom 6. It's not a prerequisite. Yes you want some, but it doesn't mean to be a 100% situation.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Savard, Armia, and Dvorak = $11.35M of free cap. If we add Matheson, that grows to $16.225M. That's more than enough to cover Hutson and Dach.

Doubt Matheson stays. Our D has flaws with both Matheson and Hutson in our top 4D mix.

How much more of a raise would Laine get if we extend him? $2M more ish?

Cap is going to rise as well. Price's contract is off the books after 25/26.

I don't see problems during Gallagher's term left. It's when Demidov needs a raise is where it might get tricky.

10.7M long term for Laine?
I'd be very surprised. A lot of things will have to go right for him in the next year to make that happen.

Hope you're right about Matheson. He's got to go.

But yeah, lots of variables.
They could have around 15M in cap space next summer.
Like they did last summer, before getting Laine.

Remains to be seen it they'll get the opportunity to spend it.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If you trade Roy... it is not only for a now only solution and pushing Roy/Laine/Dach or Demidov on the 3rd line does not address the need for grit and energy.

Anyway, as I said, I'm not trashing Roy, i just think KH should use him in a trade to address other needs.

I don't think they'll get fair value for Roy if they trade him now.
Unless they lost faith in him and want to trade him before he loses all value.
Like Colorado did with Barron.

But i don't think that's the case with Roy.
Better to let him develop in the NHL before trading him. If they really plan to trade him.
They can make ajustments to the line up later to add grit if necessary.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Well apparently we tried to make a deal with ottawa 3 years ago it was armia and other players involved.

As per Pierre mcGuire who was working for Ottawa at that time.

At least it confirms me they wont re-sign that piece of trash

Like after re-signing him? Or before.

 

[Hannibal]

Like after re-signing him? Or before.

Was Hughes/Gorton, so after Bergevin re-signed him

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Lol


Put a poll up

First of all, Jiricek would never be available if it wasn't for a rocky start with Columbus and supposedly clashing with coaching/managment. You know, that organization that's doing so well these last decades.

That's kind of the point of buying low on him, his potential outcome massively outweighs Mailloux's.

Who cares about a poll of posters who know nothing. Mailloux is the better d offensively. Jiricek is probably better defensively. There is not a significant difference in their ceilings.

I'm sure Anaheim could get a better offer elsewhere.

Probably but it would depend on how teams evaluate Zegras. If they see him as a soft perimeter player they might not get much more.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Was Hughes/Gorton, so after Bergevin re-signed him

Wonder if Murray or Zaitsev were involved.

 

[The Great Weal]

Who cares about a poll of posters who know nothing. Mailloux is the better d offensively. Jiricek is probably better defensively. There is not a significant difference in their ceilings.

Mailloux struggled to defend against OHLers despite his frame while Jiricek looked excellent against adults.

Mailloux is better offensively and is the better skater, but Jiricek's physicality, defensive game, and IQ blows him out of the water.

If Mailloux and Jiricek have similar value because Jiricek "hasn't really progressed", does that mean Reinbacher has even less value since his progression is arguably worse?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Who cares about a poll of posters who know nothing. Mailloux is the better d offensively. Jiricek is probably better defensively. There is not a significant difference in their ceilings.


Probably but it would depend on how teams evaluate Zegras. If they see him as a soft perimeter player they might not get much more.

That’s what he is.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Well apparently we tried to make a deal with ottawa 3 years ago it was armia and other players involved.

As per Pierre mcGuire who was working for Ottawa at that time.

At least it confirms me they wont re-sign that piece of trash

It was probably a deal for Colin White.

Habs were somewhat close to making a deal with Ottawa for him.

 

[Adriatic]

Adding a second line center would stabilize this team so much. No strategy or play style change can mask all the holes we have.

 

[pepperMonkey]

Newhook and Farrel for Zegras and Johnston.

I was just about to say, "Nooo! Please, for the love of God, stop with these crazy Zegras offers! I don't want him!"...
Then this offer and I'm "Let's get Zegras!"

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I was just about to say, "Nooo! Please, for the love of God, stop with these crazy Zegras offers! I don't want him!"...
Then this offer and I'm "Let's get Zegras!"

I'm sick of Zegras, too, but that's pretty much all I'm willing to pay.

Swap out Newhook for Zegras and then 20 games later I'll be hating on him

 

[sampollock]

I'm sick of Zegras, too, but that's pretty much all I'm willing to pay.

Swap out Newhook for Zegras and then 20 games later I'll be hating on him

We3kings will not stand for the trade

 

[WeThreeKings]

We3kings will not stand for the trade

No one should, Zegras sucks and I called it.

He got a bunch of empty calorie points when he was the only guy getting force fed minutes and opportunities. The roster got better young talent in, he started having to share that and his production cratered.

He's a glorified Jonathan Drouin.