HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[The Great Weal]

Lol


Put a poll up

First of all, Jiricek would never be available if it wasn't for a rocky start with Columbus and supposedly clashing with coaching/managment. You know, that organization that's doing so well these last decades.

That's kind of the point of buying low on him, his potential outcome massively outweighs Mailloux's.

For some reason, Mailloux doing well in the AHL but not good enough for the NHL>>>Jiricek having nothing else to prove in the AHL and being bad in the NHL

 

[HuGort]

But I don’t want to be a hypocrite. I was there in the 2024 draft… I would have been bummed if we took a LD with our pick, but we didn’t have an elite offensive prospect and I didn’t see probable 1D or elite top pair D last draft. I see it in Schaefer and it changes everything for me. I presume debate starts with the evaluation of players. I don’t see hutson or Guhle as a 1D on a Stanley cup team and i think it’s easier to trade for top6 winger(less valuable) than a 1D. I like Guhle, but he can be a really good trading chip (and injuries may be a concern)

If we draft Schaefer, what would you trade Guhle for?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Lol


Put a poll up

First of all, Jiricek would never be available if it wasn't for a rocky start with Columbus and supposedly clashing with coaching/managment. You know, that organization that's doing so well these last decades.

That's kind of the point of buying low on him, his potential outcome massively outweighs Mailloux's.

Thinking that an hfboard poll would determine anything is funny.

"Jiricek is only available because he's been bad and hasn't developed as expected"
No shit

 

[G0bias]

Thinking that an hfboard poll would determine anything is funny.

"Jiricek is only available because he's been bad and hasn't developed as expected"
No shit

Right. Columbus, the beacon for coaching and prospect development in the NHL lol.

I mean Mailloux has yet to show he can properly defend at the AHL level. I repeat, AHL level.
What are we even talking here.

Not to mention, he's never been known for his defensive game going back to before juniors. Whereas Jiricek made a name for himself for dominating at both ends. And yes, at the AHL level.

 

[HuGort]

Which is +$11.4m. But, the total amount of contracts ending for Montreal is $15.853m and we get another $4.3m removed in retained salary (Petry & Allen end this summer). That's a total additional space of $8.8m. Add another $4m for the projected cap. That's $12.8m in space.

The only players that need signing are Heineman & Struble. That's it. Maybe Evans if we want to re-sign him. We also have one more year of Price on LTIR.

We can easily sign or take on a $6m-$8m contract on D.

We also 6 million under this season

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Right. Columbus, the beacon for coaching and prospect development in the NHL lol.

I don't even know where you're up coming up with this rethoric that Columbus is bad at developing. They have been good at it.
Seth Jones, Werenski, Dubois, Marchenko, Chinakhov, Josh Anderson, Bjorkstrand, etc. have all developed well with Columbus.

Players wanting to leave Columbus because they don't like the city has nothing to do with the Jackets ability to develop players.

I mean Mailloux has yet to show he can properly defend at the AHL level. I repeat, AHL level.
What are we even talking here.

Not to mention, he's never been known for his defensive game going back to before juniors. Whereas Jiricek made a name for himself for dominating at both ends. And yes, at the AHL level.

Meanwhile Jiricek is so good defensively that he's unable to crack a weak Columbus d-corps? Jordan Harris is being played over Jiricek. Fabbro, who was on waivers just a few days ago, is in the lineup over Jiricek. That says a lot about where Jiricek's game is at right now.

 

[G0bias]

^No offense, but thinking Mailloux could become Brent Burns explains alot now.

Thanks but I'll stick with the player who dominated at both ends against men at 17 and in the AHL.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Thanks but I'll stick with the player who dominated at both ends against men at 17 and in the AHL.

You must be a big Shane Wright fan then. He put up better numbers than McDavid at 15!

 

[Demigod]

We have so many needs right now that even if Kent Hugues do a transaction it will not change the outcome of the season. Better be patient than hit panic button and do a transaction to try to change the dynamic of the team.

What we need to compete
- 2 top 6 forward (1 center)
- 1 RHD defensman able to play top 4
- 1 backup goalie

Better wait for the TDL or next summer to make those moves. This season will answer a lot of questions for the futures so the management will be able to know what we need for succeed long term

 

[Mrb1p]

Mailloux does have the talent to become a top pairing D like a Hamilton or Burns.

I didn't say Mailloux will reach his potential, but both him and Jiricek basically have an equal chance of reaching their ceiling at this point, so it makes no sense to trade the prospect the team has drafted and developed for several years for an equivalent prospect of another team. It's a lateral move.

Jiricek is leaps and bounds better than Mailloux.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hutson and Dach will get pay raises in the 3rd year of Gallagher and Anderson's contracts. That might cause problems.
It will depend on a lot of things, mainly if they keep Laine and Matheson beyond their current contracts.

Savard, Armia, and Dvorak = $11.35M of free cap. If we add Matheson, that grows to $16.225M. That's more than enough to cover Hutson and Dach.

Doubt Matheson stays. Our D has flaws with both Matheson and Hutson in our top 4D mix.

How much more of a raise would Laine get if we extend him? $2M more ish?

Cap is going to rise as well. Price's contract is off the books after 25/26.

I don't see problems during Gallagher's term left. It's when Demidov needs a raise is where it might get tricky.

 

[BigHabs]

Savard, Armia, and Dvorak = $11.35M of free cap. If we add Matheson, that grows to $16.225M. That's more than enough to cover Hutson and Dach.

Doubt Matheson stays. Our D has flaws with both Matheson and Hutson in our top 4D mix.

How much more of a raise would Laine get if we extend him? $2M more ish?

Cap is going to rise as well. Price's contract is off the books after 25/26.

I don't see problems during Gallagher's term left. It's when Demidov needs a raise is where it might get tricky.

Also have to factor in the 4.27mill the team is going to save from the last year of retained salary on Petry and Allen is off the books at the end of this season so they are around 20.5mill in cap space barring any other movement.

 

[Kosseca]

I don't see Roy and Newhook getting a good 2c at this time. They would have to be really producing to get that return.

Best shot our second top 6 C are Hage, Dach, Demidov, and our 2025 1st. Monahan like ufa would be a nice stop gap.

Roy and Newhook might get us nice bottom six sandpaper if we can't get that in other ways.

Demidov isn't a C. People have to stop with that notion that he could be play there. Hage is at least 2 season away to play 2C with any effectiveness, so this is not an option for now. Unless we finish dead last, I dont think we can count of our 1st 2025 to play next season with the team, so again, not an option.

Regarding value, i dont know if this is enough or not, that was not the point of my post, I was more pointing to the fact that Roy may be better leverage in a trade as he's not addressing a area of need right now.

 

[Kosseca]

Roy can do it all to get to the NHL. Look at what he did with Bedard in the WJC. It's crazy how people are ready to get rid of him, we have literally two top 9 wingers on the team?

Improve elsewhere? Like what? Getting a top 9 winger, which is one of the glaring hole on the team?

What are the most glaring need of this team right now?? 2C, Bottom 6 with grit and RD. Does he check any of these boxes?? no. So he need to outplay a skill guy to be useful. On that, what is our top 6, let see:
CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - Dach - Demidov

Who is Roy replacing in this top 6?? nobody in the short term and he'll have to outplay Hage and our 1st 2025 long term. So by default, we will need to play him on the 3rd line, and we know that our bottom 6 need different type of players then him. My point is not to say that Roy is trash, it's to ask yourself what's his future with this team and see if you can address an area of need from an area of strength.

 

[Egresch]

Doubt Matheson stays. Our D has flaws with both Matheson and Hutson in our top 4D mix.

How much more of a raise would Laine get if we extend him? $2M more ish?

The way they will handle players like Matheson, Savard will be key for me to judge this management. Extension to any of them would be a big red flag.

What do you mean by raise to Laine? He gets 8.7M now, based on his availability in last years, he deserves 3.5M.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts


The veterans on Columbus want the team harder coached.

Jiricek was told he needs to earn his ice time.

Hard to word it, as it's not Friedman saying Jiricek is available, but I guess it's getting close as teams are keeping a close eye on that situation.

There, now you don't have to wait a few hours or days to realize the info.

 

[Benstheman]

Savard, Armia, and Dvorak = $11.35M of free cap. If we add Matheson, that grows to $16.225M. That's more than enough to cover Hutson and Dach.

Doubt Matheson stays. Our D has flaws with both Matheson and Hutson in our top 4D mix.

How much more of a raise would Laine get if we extend him? $2M more ish?

Cap is going to rise as well. Price's contract is off the books after 25/26.

I don't see problems during Gallagher's term left. It's when Demidov needs a raise is where it might get tricky.

I don’t see any major cap problem until Suzuki’s set to extend with us.

 

[sampollock]

Mailloux's ceiling is not that of a physical #1-#2 two-way D that eats up minutes.
That's what you're looking at with Jiricek.

This is a kid who was dominant against men at 17, in his D year. And was too good for the AHL the following years.

This isn't close

and yet Jiricek can't make the pro's yet

 

[morhilane]

32 thoughts


The veterans on Columbus want the team harder coached.

Jiricek was told he needs to earn his ice time.

Hard to word it, as it's not Friedman saying Jiricek is available, but I guess it's getting close as teams are keeping a close eye on that situation.

There, now you don't have to wait a few hours or days to realize the info.

The "earning ice time" for Evason start by showing up in practices going by an early season comment (which was when Jiricek first got into the line-up).

 

[Goalfield13]

A 2C or RD that isn’t injured all the time

Guhle has played 82 of a possible 99 games since last year. He's 22 playing his off-side and top pair minutes. He is also signed to a very good contract. Trading him would be idiotic.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Guhle has played 82 of a possible 99 games since last year. He's 22 playing his off-side and top pair minutes. He is also signed to a very good contract. Trading him would be idiotic.

Why would it be idiotic to trade him for an equivalent RD?

 

[expy]

Dach for Zegras

 

[Benstheman]

Dach for Zegras

oh no.

 

[Benstheman]

This summer i want Crosby and Andersson. enough is enough.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Mailloux's ceiling is not that of a physical #1-#2 two-way D that eats up minutes.
That's what you're looking at with Jiricek.

This is a kid who was dominant against men at 17, in his D year. And was too good for the AHL the following years.

This isn't close

Nothing about Jiricek's game is 2-way. He's a physical, offensive defensemen with decent skating.

We need physical defensive stalwarts to play with our rovers. Jiricek isn't that.