HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

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He's become an absolute horror show defensively. It was never his finest trait, but oh boy, he's crashing hard. He was -5 in that shit show of a game against Dallas. He also has a full NMC & like 3 years on his contract. Huge pass.

Malkin would be amazing, or Pettersson.
Will always wonder why they give that anchor contract for 35year olds+ players. We get it , they wanna finish their career at the same place they started , but holy f*** that was a dumb idea. Tampa Did great with Stamkos
 

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The Eller talk here has been so annoying since we traded him, I've never seen a 3rd liner receive so much attention. That being said, I have no clue how we don't match this offer. I'm sure he'd be an upgrade over Evans. And for some reason, we still have Primeau on the NHL squad. Hughes not wanting to give up insignificant value for a guy like Eller or risk losing a guy like Primeau to waivers is almost Bergevin-like. Not happy with that.

You have no clue why a rebuilding team who's last in the standings is not trading picks for a rental bottom 6 center? :huh:
 

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You have no clue why a rebuilding team who's last in the standings is not trading picks for a rental bottom 6 center? :huh:
You're allowed to be a rebuilding team that isn't getting absolutely killed in 95% of the games. Even management said they want to foster a competitive culture regardless of how many games they win.

So yes, trading insignificant picks when we've accumulated many of them (and will likely have even more) to improve on Evans-Dvorak-Condotta and make these losses more competitive isn't exactly a crazy unprecedented idea. Not to mention that it doesn't prevent us from trading Eller again at the deadline.
 

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You're allowed to be a rebuilding team that isn't getting absolutely killed in 95% of the games. Even management said they want to foster a competitive culture regardless of how many games they win.

So yes, trading insignificant picks when we've accumulated many of them (and will likely have even more) to improve on Evans-Dvorak-Condotta and make these losses more competitive isn't exactly a crazy unprecedented idea. Not to mention that it doesn't prevent us from trading Eller again at the deadline.

Thinking that adding Eller would the difference between the team being killed and not being killed in most games is wild.
 
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Thinking that adding Eller would the difference between the team being killed and not being killed in most games is wild.
-Rebuilding/low-ranked teams do trade picks for 1 year guys. Ex: Hawks traded for Beauvillier and Pitlick last year.
-Eller can be traded again by the deadline.
-I never said adding Eller alone would prevent us from getting killed. Upgrading an AHLer in Condotta with a 3rd line NHLer is an improvement. Unless you think you should only add superstars to turn these killings into victories and every other improvement is worthless which would be a wild thing to think.
 
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Thinking that adding Eller would the difference between the team being killed and not being killed in most games is wild.
Roster upgrades are roster upgrades. The kind of thinking that "X isn't the saviour" means we should be happy with the worst team in the league no matter what, because no one could drag us out of the basement?
 

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Yeah that's exactly what I said. I actually think Eller alone will catapult us to the top of the league and lead us to a 16-0 run in the playoffs.

So you think the Habs would have continued to be killed in most games after adding Eller, yet you're criticizing Hughes for not making this move? Make it make sense.

Nice to see you acknowledge that your "rebuilding teams won't' trade picks for short term players" argument was complete nonsense.

Your argument is still nonsense, and I said a rebuilding team that's last in the standings.

First of all, a 3rd and 5th round picks are not insignificant values like you're saying they are. Engstrom and Fowler are two of the habs top prospects and they were both drafted in the 3rd round in recent drafts. Heck, Hutson, who's looking like a future elite D, was just a few picks away from being taken in the 3rd round.

Secondly, why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team trade decent assets for a player who's not going to make any notable difference to the team's performance? Especially when considering that they could just call up a player for free (Roy), who's likely to have a bigger impact. It would only make sense if the habs get some players injured, and need to call up a young player (Beck), but do not want to do it, so they acquire one by trade instead.

Thirdly, there's no guarantee that the habs can recoup the assets they would have given up for Eller. Laine will be back in a few weeks, Roy will be called up eventually, Dach will be moved back to center, etc. Eller might not get good ice time here. If you're giving minutes to Eller, then you're also giving less to Evans/Dvorak, which hurts their trade value.

Roster upgrades are roster upgrades. The kind of thinking that "X isn't the saviour" means we should be happy with the worst team in the league no matter what, because no one could drag us out of the basement?

Why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team give up decent assets for a minor upgrade that will last just a few months? Unless the team is affected by several injuries, it makes no sense.
 
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Why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team give up decent assets for a minor upgrade that will last just a few months? Unless the team is affected by several injuries, it makes no sense.
Your point had nothing to do with the expiring contract. You said Lars Ellers won't be the difference. That kind of thinking is faulty, you accept it right?

Besides, if the management (correctly) thought there should be progress this year then they should make moves to correct the trajectory and get back on the right track. You can't hold onto 3rd and 5th round picks like a dragon hoarding its coins when you can instead tangibly improve the roster and stop the losing, loser culture from taking up more of the room.

If you're giving minutes to Eller, then you're also giving less to Evans/Dvorak, which hurts their trade value.
Who cares about their trade value? They have none.

A roster upgrade is a roster upgrade.
 

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So you think the Habs would have continued to be killed in most games after adding Eller, yet you're criticizing Hughes for not making this move? Make it make sense.



Your argument is still nonsense, and I said a rebuilding team that's last in the standings.

First of all, a 3rd and 5th round picks are not insignificant values like you're saying they are. Engstrom and Fowler are two of the habs top prospects and they were both drafted in the 3rd round in recent drafts. Heck, Hutson, who's looking like a future elite D, was just a few picks away from being taken in the 3rd round.

Secondly, why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team trade decent assets for a player who's not going to make any notable difference to the team's performance? Especially when considering that they could just call up a player for free (Roy), who's likely to have a bigger impact. It would only make sense if the habs get some players injured, and need to call up a young player (Beck), but do not want to do it, so they acquire one by trade instead.

Thirdly, there's no guarantee that the habs can recoup the assets they would have given up for Eller. Laine will be back in a few weeks, Roy will be called up eventually, Dach will be moved back to center, etc. Eller might not get good ice time here. If you're giving minutes to Eller, then you're also giving less to Evans/Dvorak, which hurts their trade value.



Why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team give up decent assets for a minor upgrade that will last just a few months? Unless the team is affected by several injuries, it makes no sense.
Wait Dvorak has trade value?
Not that i want Eller but giving a 5th and a 3rd in 3 years is... not big assets , thats nothing
 
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Wait Dvorak has trade value?
Not that i want Eller but giving a 5th and a 3rd in 3 years is... not big assets , thats nothing
Caps traded him to the Avs for a 2nd round pick a few years ago. He was already washed out back then.

There is nobody I would want on that Pens roster outside the two guy they aren't going to trade (Crosby and they aren't trading Malkin without having any 2nd line center backup to replace him).
 

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Hughes has said that he's not trading for player that fits our timelines. Eller only filled a hole for the very short-term, nothing long-term, so it's not surprising he didn't outbid for Eller.
 
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Why would a rebuilding bottom-of-the-league team give up decent assets for a minor upgrade that will last just a few months? Unless the team is affected by several injuries, it makes no sense.
Exactly..

At this point, the only reason to accept a veteran would be if it comes with draft picks to alleviate the other team's salary cap, not the other way around.
 

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Hughes has said that he's not trading for player that fits our timelines. Eller only filled a hole for the very short-term, nothing long-term, so it's not surprising he didn't outbid for Eller.
Short term is where Habs need the most help. Short term the team is god awful butof course in now way could they use a responsible vet who can actually score, drive play and kill penalties and... get this... not be a turnover machine like most Habs. Who needs that short term? Pfft!

I am starting to n think that Highes' plan will give us same what Bergevin plans gave us. Anyone seen that plan? What's the target?
 

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-Rebuilding/low-ranked teams do trade picks for 1 year guys. Ex: Hawks traded for Beauvillier and Pitlick last year.
-Eller can be traded again by the deadline.
-I never said adding Eller alone would prevent us from getting killed. Upgrading an AHLer in Condotta with a 3rd line NHLer is an improvement. Unless you think you should only add superstars to turn these killings into victories and every other improvement is worthless which would be a wild thing to think.

Trading for Beauvillier and trading for Eller are two very different things.
 
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You're allowed to be a rebuilding team that isn't getting absolutely killed in 95% of the games. Even management said they want to foster a competitive culture regardless of how many games they win.

So yes, trading insignificant picks when we've accumulated many of them (and will likely have even more) to improve on Evans-Dvorak-Condotta and make these losses more competitive isn't exactly a crazy unprecedented idea. Not to mention that it doesn't prevent us from trading Eller again at the deadline.
The person you responded to is obviously not dropping 4-500 bucks at the bell center to watch this crap ,Hughes can preach patience all he wants but please don't insult the fans hockey knowledge with this gong show hockey
 

junyab

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I just don't understand why some people here would rather us finish closer to the playoff bubble than get another top 5 pick. We don't have enough in the pipeline to contend any time soon. Stocking the shelves is the best thing we can do right now. We don't have Price anymore where just getting into the playoffs we'd have a shot.
 

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