HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Sasha Orlov]

This team and fan base has stagnated for so long, had so little elite talent for so long that mediocrity has taken root and become as goal to attain rather than the bare minimum to achieve.

I think management thinks bigger than past management could even conceive and I hope it cascades down to the fans. Dream bigger, demand better.

So true

 

[sampollock]

Next week's going to be the longest week ever to get the Friday night

 

[Rapala]

The point is even if you fix the problems with the bottom-6 today, in a couple years your going to have to fix it again, and a couple years after that you'll have to fix it again and so on. Even in the best case scenario there will be constant turnover in the bottom-6, so you never actually fix things it's just constant maintenance every year. So sure fix it all you want, but it's mostly meaningless until you've actually built a good top-6.

What are you talking about? If you find the right fit you pay to keep it like Clutterbuck and Martin with the isles.
They were obviously appreciated where they were or they wouldn't ave found the longetivity they did.
I don't get why crucial role players are so undervalued and underestimated on this board.
If just anybody could do the job properly we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

What would you be willing to give up to get the 3rd OA pick besides the 5th OA pick(I assume Anaheim is going D/not demidov)?

 

[Sorinth]

What are you talking about? If you find the right fit you pay to keep it like Clutterbuck and Martin with the isles.
They were obviously appreciated where they were or they wouldn't ave found the longetivity they did.
I don't get why crucial role players are so undervalued and underestimated on this board.
If just anybody could do the job properly we wouldn't be having this discussion.

A couple guys who never won anything in part because the team was spending 5m on them instead of adding a top-6 F or top-4 D that would have actually helped the Islanders do something seems like a weird take.

And to further my point, just look at the Goodrow news that dropped today.

 

[ZUKI]

This past week, Lapresse talked about Ottawa being open to trade their 7th draft pick and today, i've read the same about the 6th selection of Utah .

What kind of deal Hughes may offer to get one or both of those draft selections ? imagine getting the 5th-6th and 7th draft picks . I think it would be the first time ever that all the fans of the Habs forum would all be happy

 

[Whalers Fan]

Maybe Skinner would continue to be a Habs' killer, but this time by not scoring anymore…...

... or maybe he's just inspired by the CH jerseys and will light it up. Inquiring minds want to know the reason.

 

[HuGo Sham]

A lot of people here are hyper focused on acquiring mediocrity, the same strategy we’ve had basically since the offseason where we brought in Gionta and co

Can we just try to get some high end talent for once? We have enough bozo bottom 6 players to last the next 100 years

I'm not questioning finding skill, that's not my point. My point is that you can't win a cup with a small team. have a look at Florida and Edm's roster.
Check out Vegas' roster.
Even Habs had a large, physical bottom 6 and menacing D during covid cup run.
It opened up space for the top two lines

 

[Rapala]

A couple guys who never won anything in part because the team was spending 5m on them instead of adding a top-6 F or top-4 D that would have actually helped the Islanders do something seems like a weird take.

And to further my point, just look at the Goodrow news that dropped today.

LOL Clutterbuck and Martin weren't the problem.

 

[Sorinth]

LOL Clutterbuck and Martin weren't the problem.

They also weren't any kind of solution which goes back to my original point, it's meaningless to care about the bottom-6 when your needs are in the top-6.

 

[Sorinth]

Dream bigger, demand better.

More often then not for fans that "demand better" it's really just an excuse for hating on players which does nothing good and frankly is one of the turnoffs for top UFA players signing here.

 

[Rapala]

They also weren't any kind of solution which goes back to my original point, it's meaningless to care about the bottom-6 when your needs are in the top-6.

Your point is strange my roof is leaking but I'm not going to fix it because it may be temporary.
You don't seem to have a clue about what this team needs even though Hughes spelled it out for you in his post season presser.
They want to be competitive and you want to tank if we don't get a top six piece.
It's not like I'm suggesting we spend a crap load of money on nothing.

 

[Sorinth]

Your point is strange my roof is leaking but I'm not going to fix it because it may be temporary.
You don't seem to have a clue about what this team needs even though Hughes spelled it out for you in his post season presser.
They want to be competitive and you want to tank if we don't get a top six piece.
It's not like I'm suggesting we spend a crap load of money on nothing.

Except the leaky roof is actually the missing pieces in the top-6 and your focused on re-painting the walls when the only thing that matters at this moment in time is the leaky roof.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I'm not questioning finding skill, that's not point. my point is that you can't win with a cup with a small team. have a look at Florida and Edm's roster.
Check out Vegas' roster.
Even Habs had a large, physical bottom 6 and menacing D during covid cup run.
It opened up space for the top two lines

I couldn’t agree more

 

[Rapala]

Except the leaky roof is actually the missing pieces in the top-6 and your focused on re-painting the walls when the only thing that matters at this moment in time is the leaky roof.

My premise is we don't get the right pieces this off season
That has been my conjecture the entire time going back to March/April.
I doubt we find exactly what we want for our top six this off season but I also know we can't stand pat.
It's obvious we have plenty of holes yet to fill.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

This past week, Lapresse talked about Ottawa being open to trade their 7th draft pick and today, i've read the same about the 6th selection of Utah .

What kind of deal Hughes may offer to get one or both of those draft selections ? imagine getting the 5th-6th and 7th draft picks . I think it would be the first time ever that all the fans of the Habs forum would all be happy

Anderson +Armia + Price + Evans + Savard + Winnipeg first for Krouse and Utah first. Heck, add Norlinder and Ylonen too.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Anderson +Armia + Price + Evans + Savard + Winnipeg first for Krouse and Utah first. Heck, add Norlinder and Ylonen too.

"Bro I swear to god Price's knee has been doing better the last 2 months, he's been training bro."

 

[ZUKI]

"Bro I swear to god Price's knee has been doing better the last 2 months, he's been training bro."

a miracle... a miracle happened !!!

 

[Miller Time]

What are you talking about? If you find the right fit you pay to keep it like Clutterbuck and Martin with the isles.
They were obviously appreciated where they were or they wouldn't ave found the longetivity they did.
I don't get why crucial role players are so undervalued and underestimated on this board.
If just anybody could do the job properly we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Isles have won 6 PO rounds and missed POs 4x since Clutterbuck has been with them.

Habs have won 6 PO rounds and missed POs 5x in that same time span.

Maybe it's not that they are undervalued so much as you are overestimating the impact they have

 

[Miller Time]

I'm not questioning finding skill, that's not my point. My point is that you can't win a cup with a small team. have a look at Florida and Edm's roster.
Check out Vegas' roster.
Even Habs had a large, physical bottom 6 and menacing D during covid cup run.
It opened up space for the top two lines

Panthers top 2 dmen are 6' under 200lbs

Habs had a considerably heavier top 9 than the Panthers this year... Panthers only have 3 of their top 9 forwards over 200lbs. Habs had 7 (with 8th at 199).

Did you look closely at the Panthers roster?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Panthers top 2 dmen are 6' under 200lbs

Habs had a considerably heavier top 9 than the Panthers this year... Panthers only have 3 of their top 9 forwards over 200lbs. Habs had 7 (with 8th at 199).

Did you look closely at the Panthers roster?

Ekblad is like 8'40 and plays like biggest p***y ever while Gallagher is 4'5 on a good day and plays like a Wish Version of Scott Stevens.

Skill , IQ > Size/Weight

We should pick the player with the skills and then if we need some beef , the trade deadline is why it exists!

 

[Scintillating10]

Habs can sign a substantial player each of next 4 off seasons. We have 7 million in caproom to this summer. In '25 around 20 million coming off the books. Price is done in '26, Anderson/Gallagher in '27. Or trade for star

 

[General Fanager]

This past week, Lapresse talked about Ottawa being open to trade their 7th draft pick and today, i've read the same about the 6th selection of Utah .

What kind of deal Hughes may offer to get one or both of those draft selections ? imagine getting the 5th-6th and 7th draft picks . I think it would be the first time ever that all the fans of the Habs forum would all be happy

I bet almost none of us would be happy. The cost of those 2 picks would be shocking, and most would be pissed HuGo gave up the assets....

 

[Whalers Fan]

Habs can sign a substantial player each of next 4 off seasons. We have 7 million in caproom to this summer. In '25 around 20 million coming off the books. Price is done in '26, Anderson/Gallagher in '27. Or trade for star

Some of that money needs to be used on new contracts for the young guys - - Slaf, Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, Dach, etc.

 

[Sterling Archer]

More often then not for fans that "demand better" it's really just an excuse for hating on players which does nothing good and frankly is one of the turnoffs for top UFA players signing here.

You missed the point entirely.