HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Miller Time]

Would the Rags sell him for the value of a third liner? I suspect the asking would still be inflated by his draft pedigree.

That may well be the case.

The Rangers appear to have about 10M$ in cap space, with 3-4 players to sign, Lindgren (3.6M) and Kakko (2.4M) needing at least 6M$ for their QO & Schneider likely getting a raise bigger than his 900K QO.

Doable, but if they want to make any upgrades, or keep cap flex for Shesterkin, Miller, Laf & Cuylle raises in '25 summer, Kakko for picks/prospects makes a lot of sense.

Will their asking price be low enough? Will Drury make a deal with us/Gorton without needing a premium that exceeds other offers? No idea.

It's worth kicking the tires imo

 

[BLONG7]

Lomberg's been a one man demolition crew tonight. I'd be more concerned about his age than his size. He's tougher than nails and has balls the size of Saturn.

I love Florida's bottom 6. They don't put up a lot of points but they wear teams down and get in their heads.

When he was on the ice, he was everywhere.................must have been drinking Red Bull on the bench.
He had a great game.

 

[Simarino]

Grit and toughness worked so well the year we got King, Ott and Martinsen...

What we still need first and foremost is skill. After that, we can upgrade on the grit element in our bottom 6.

Its not one or the other, you need both in a player. You look at the final 4 teams, their best players have skills AND grit, pretty much everybody is finishing their check and goIng to dirty areas. You need grit and toughness with the players who play 15min or more a night not 5mins

 

[Rapala]

I wouldn't mind getting the Martin Necas I'm seeing playing in Prague.

 

[DAChampion]

Ylonen/RHP and a 2nd rounder for Kakko.

 

[Treb]

Its not one or the other, you need both in a player. You look at the final 4 teams, their best players have skills AND grit, pretty much everybody is finishing their check and goong to dirty areas. You need grit and toughness with the players who play 15min or more a night not 5mins

Of course, but skill comes first or you won't even make it to the playoffs.

 

[The Great Weal]

Kakko would be a nice project in theory, but when guys like Anderson and Gallagher aren't going anywhere, it's tough to make room for him.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

Of course, but skill comes first or you won't even make it to the playoffs.

And you won't thrive in the playoffs if you don't have grit.

That's why both are needed.

 

[Rapala]

Kakko would be a nice project in theory, but when guys like Anderson and Gallagher aren't going anywhere, it's tough to make room for him.

Yeah the time for projects has passed IMO. We need to make clean cuts and fill the holes with quality.
Kakko doesn't seem to have what it takes to be effective in the 82 game NHL. I just don't see it stylistically in terms of where we are weak. He puts up about 20 points when he plays his average of 60 games.

 

[Saundies]

Its not one or the other, you need both in a player. You look at the final 4 teams, their best players have skills AND grit, pretty much everybody is finishing their check and goong to dirty areas. You need grit and toughness with the players who play 15min or more a night not 5mins

Yep, very important distinction. It's why the Leafs lose every year, because their skill guys are made of toilet paper.

You can have the Core 4 and 8 Tom Wilsons in your Forward group, you're still not winning in the playoffs.

 

[Rapala]

That may well be the case.

The Rangers appear to have about 10M$ in cap space, with 3-4 players to sign, Lindgren (3.6M) and Kakko (2.4M) needing at least 6M$ for their QO & Schneider likely getting a raise bigger than his 900K QO.

Doable, but if they want to make any upgrades, or keep cap flex for Shesterkin, Miller, Laf & Cuylle raises in '25 summer, Kakko for picks/prospects makes a lot of sense.

Will their asking price be low enough? Will Drury make a deal with us/Gorton without needing a premium that exceeds other offers? No idea.

It's worth kicking the tires imo

Like Laine. No thank you.
There is enough of a track record on both those guys to understand this isn't going to help us where we are weak.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Calling it now, Necas will be a Hab.

 

[Pat Riot]

Calling it now, Necas will be a Hab.

I hope we go with a different option. He will command and big salary and long term and Im not sure hes the guy we need. Would prefer to try Laine who will be cheaper to acquire and he will only have a 2 years contract. If he doesnt work out we can recoup some value trading him when at the deadline on his last contract year.

 

[StCaufield]

Good quote

As former Canadien Chris Nilan said several times this season on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out Show, the team needs “more men.”


The intensity and physicality in the playoffs is always above and beyond what we see during the regular season. As former Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin liked to say, there are some players who get you to the playoffs and some who get you through the playoffs.

I mean the team is full of kids so there’s not many men. A vet or 2 would help them become “men” though

 

[Deebs]

Ylonen/RHP and a 2nd rounder for Kakko.

Seems expensive for a 3rd/4th liner that's afraid of his shadow

 

[DAChampion]

Seems expensive for a 3rd/4th liner that's afraid of his shadow

In life you have to take risks or you never win anything.

 

[Deebs]

In life you have to take risks or you never win anything.

Problem is there's no reward with Kaako, we know what he is, a 3rd liner

 

[The Last Red]

Calling it now, Necas will be a Hab.

I doubt it. The asking price from Car. will not be worth it. Necas is very meh, especially his playoff numbers.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Problem is there's no reward with Kaako, we know what he is, a 3rd liner

It looks like it but he has played for 2 idiot coaches. He might have some upside with MSL.

 

[smirob]

I don’t hate the idea of Laine as a buy low candidate, I prefer his upside over Zegras

 

[The Last Red]

I don’t hate the idea of Laine as a buy low candidate, I prefer his upside over Zegras

Zegras every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Calling it now, Necas will be a Hab.

I think there might be a bidding war to get him in trade, and unless we are willing to pay very big bucks for a long term, his time here may be as bad a fit as PLD was in Winnipeg (on BPM Sports they were chating 7 years at $7.0-7.5M, ending age 32).

The Dach trade made so much sense becauswe wohnly had to give up Roman a 3rd and a 4th for him, and we wigned himn for four year at $3.363M ending one year BEFORE he goes UFA.

For Newhook, we gave up less and also got an RFA-terminating 4 year deal for under $3M.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I don’t hate the idea of Laine as a buy low candidate, I prefer his upside over Zegras

Laine has no upside.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

I don’t get the talks for Laine, are we living in the past?

 

[Pat Riot]

Laine has no upside.

His upside would be for him to reclaim his old form

I don’t get the talks for Laine, are we living in the past?

Hes only 26 and a surefire 30 goals scorer per season if he manage to stay healthy. Wouldnt cost much and only have a 2 season contract. Its an interesting gamble with very low risk if he doesnt pan out