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Richards is a POS with 0 work ethic.
Yeah he totally lucked into his two Stanley cups, Calder cup, Olympic gold medal, world Junior gold and memorial cup.
Richards is a POS with 0 work ethic.
Tell me about it.
I took my 13 year old brother to a cricket match he was playing in the other day... was asked 4 times by kids if I was his Dad! I mean, I am rocking a pretty impressive beard atm but still... my 13 year old brother is like 5'9 as well and looks a lot older than he is!
When I said no and that I had just turned 24 and was his big brother one little **** asked if I was married... and when I replied no he said I should be as I was getting pretty old!
Tell me about it.
I took my 13 year old brother to a cricket match he was playing in the other day... was asked 4 times by kids if I was his Dad! I mean, I am rocking a pretty impressive beard atm but still... my 13 year old brother is like 5'9 as well and looks a lot older than he is!
When I said no and that I had just turned 24 and was his big brother one little **** asked if I was married... and when I replied no he said I should be as I was getting pretty old!
You should have asked the kid if his mother was available.
Or just say to the kid.....no, I'm your real dad.
Yeah he totally lucked into his two Stanley cups, Calder cup, Olympic gold medal, world Junior gold and memorial cup.
The value isn't that bad, but why would we do this? And why would columbus do this? We already have a lot of good picks this year, and some really nice prospects. There's no urge to get more. We're a lot closer from the playoffs than some think on here. I think we'll make them next year. Our offense is very good. Our D will be revamped. We have a number one goaltender (finally!!!!!!)
Fk this rebuild crap. We are not the Oilers. We have an elite center in his prime with an elite winger in his prime, good complementary pieces, and a soon to be elite goaltender. We just need to get "a litte over average" on D and we're a good team.
People on here before the draft are like kids before Christmas who would do anything for new toys.
The value isn't that bad, but why would we do this? And why would columbus do this? We already have a lot of good picks this year, and some really nice prospects. There's no urge to get more. We're a lot closer from the playoffs than some think on here. I think we'll make them next year. Our offense is very good. Our D will be revamped. We have a number one goaltender (finally!!!!!!)
Fk this rebuild crap. We are not the Oilers. We have an elite center in his prime with an elite winger in his prime, good complementary pieces, and a soon to be elite goaltender. We just need to get "a litte over average" on D and we're a good team.
People on here before the draft are like kids before Christmas who would do anything for new toys.
I wouldn't completely rule out the Flyers making the playoffs off the fact that the Eastern Conference is god awful.
I don't deem Simmonds untouchable nor am I against parting with him but this deal isn't the deal the Flyers should be looking for. If I'm moving Simmonds I want something more known that can help the team now & down the road. I don't want to gamble solely on 18 year old draft picks who haven't played an NHL game yet.
Another thing is you don't want to willingly mail in the next couple of seasons when one of your star players is up for a new contract. It could very well hurt your chances of retaining him.
I agree. We don't trade Simmonds (+) without getting back a young top pairing D.
I wouldn't completely rule out the Flyers making the playoffs off the fact that the Eastern Conference is god awful.
I don't deem Simmonds untouchable nor am I against parting with him but this deal isn't the deal the Flyers should be looking for. If I'm moving Simmonds I want something more known that can help the team now & down the road. I don't want to gamble solely on 18 year old draft picks who haven't played an NHL game yet.
Another thing is you don't want to willingly mail in the next couple of seasons when one of your star players is up for a new contract. It could very well hurt your chances of retaining him.
All these are fair comments.
I would also add, that at the draft, draft picks are at their highest value. At the deadline, someone like Simmonds will be at his. If we so choose, we could move him at this coming deadline, and STILL add players from this draft, but they would be more developed and should have less question marks.
I just don't want to wait 3 years, have Simmonds value go down, trade him for futures, which will still be 3 years from helping. I would rather bite the bullet this year and add the return to our future core so they are ready in 3 years.
But again, that's only if the deal is overwhelming.
I would really love to add a RHD to our future core D.
I don't see how you can move Simmonds for prospects &/or picks as the main pieces unless you know they can help you sooner than later. It's just not good asset management otherwise.
Because anything worth winning, will be more than 3 years away.
So in 3 years, we have a 21 year old ready to grow into their prime....or Simmonds who will be turning 30.
Us winning a cup will be on the backs of our future D, not a 30+ year old Simmonds. I love him for what he does today, but in the bigger picture of winning for the cup in 5 years, that 23 year old should be making by far the bigger impact....say if it was Connor at #8. Plus you have the other 2 picks where you are looking for diamonds in the rough.
If we made him available quietly, we would have one hell of a bidding war on our hands. I think you would get an overpayment from a team like Anaheim who is trying like hell to knock off LA and Chicago.
Also, you could always move him for more NHL Ready prospects so that they are closer to helping our team sooner.
I wouldn't completely rule out the Flyers making the playoffs off the fact that the Eastern Conference is god awful.
I don't deem Simmonds untouchable nor am I against parting with him but this deal isn't the deal the Flyers should be looking for. If I'm moving Simmonds I want something more known that can help the team now & down the road. I don't want to gamble solely on 18 year old draft picks who haven't played an NHL game yet.
Another thing is you don't want to willingly mail in the next couple of seasons when one of your star players is up for a new contract. It could very well hurt your chances of retaining him.
but the metro is really toughI wouldn't completely rule out the Flyers making the playoffs off the fact that the Eastern Conference is god awful.
but the metro is really tough
I don't think they're better than: nyr, nyi, wash, pitts & columbus
a simmonds trade could pull in a haul better than the carter trade...which might really set us up for serious contention in 3+ years
In my mind, there are 7 teams clearly better than the Flyers next season:
1. Rangers
2. Tampa
3. NYI
4. Montreal
4. Washington
5. Columbus (they were missing their best defensman all season- Murray and suffered alot of injuries - they are going to be really good next season. They were also awesome down the stretch)
6. Detroit
7. Boston - missing Krejci killed them. As good as Bergeron is, Krejci is their best forward.
I think there are 3 teams that are probably better than the Flyers next season:
1. Ottawa - good defensive core with good offensive depth.
2. Pitt -
3. Florida - young core that is improving and have a good defensive core. They will probably also add during free agency or via trade.
In my mind, there are only 3 teams that the Flyers are clearly superior to next year:
1. Buffalo
2. Carolina
3. NJ
Toronto is a wild card - will be interesting to see if they improve dramatically under Babcock.
This is the type of comment that drives me crazy. We were not close to making the playoffs and the team has not improved from last season. Why would we make the playoffs this year? Just wishing something does not make it so. In 2015, Giroux and Voracek were great as was Mason and the team still sucked. People need to take off the blinders and be realistic. We are a horrible team because our defense is beyond awful.
The team has major issues. Realistically, this team is not making the playoffs in 2016 and may make the playoffs in 2017 but will not truly be a Stanley Cup competitor until 2018 at the earliest.
That is why it may make sense to trade Simmonds. If you trade Simmonds, the 8th pick, e.g. Connor, should already be contributing on the NHL level by 2018, and possibly one of the second round picks. They should also have at least another 4 or 5 seasons of solid contribution to the team from those draft picks. Also, the salary cap space gained by trading Simmonds may make it easier to sign a very good defenseman, which this team must do even if Sanheim, Gostisbehere and possibly Provorov are on the team.
Finally, and this argument will undoubtedly piss people off even though it is sound, to the extent the Flyers are not making the playoffs next season, which I think is the overwhelming likely outcome, the Flyers should try to get the best draft pick possible while retaining their core of Giroux, Voracek, Mason, and Couturier. By trading Simmonds, the Flyers will have a lower seed in 2016 which should enhance their ability to get an elite prospect who may be able to join the team straight out of juniors. Simmonds is arguably part of their core and thus should not be traded.
In my opinion, Simmonds should not be regarded as an essential part of the core. An offensive core of Giroux, Voracek and Couturier is sufficient so long as the defense is reasonably strong. If you can trade Simmonds for the 8th (e.g. Connor), 34th (e.g. Bracco) and 38th (e.g. Juuslen) and get a better pick in 2016 and enhance your ability to sign an very good free agent defensman in 2016 or 2017 that is the route I would go. It is very unlikely you can trade Simmonds for Hamilton or another elite young defenseman. Very good free agent defenseman can be signed, such as Niskanen and Stralman.
I understand people don't want to trade Simmonds. Maybe your right. But to think this team is somehow going to make the playoffs next season is absolutely delusional.
In my mind, there are 7 teams clearly better than the Flyers next season:
1. Rangers
2. Tampa
3. NYI
4. Montreal
4. Washington
5. Columbus (they were missing their best defensman all season- Murray and suffered alot of injuries - they are going to be really good next season. They were also awesome down the stretch)
6. Detroit
7. Boston - missing Krejci killed them. As good as Bergeron is, Krejci is their best forward.
I think there are 3 teams that are probably better than the Flyers next season:
1. Ottawa - good defensive core with good offensive depth.
2. Pitt -
3. Florida - young core that is improving and have a good defensive core. They will probably also add during free agency or via trade.
In my mind, there are only 3 teams that the Flyers are clearly superior to next year:
1. Buffalo
2. Carolina
3. NJ
Toronto is a wild card - will be interesting to see if they improve dramatically under Babcock.