Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXV

[57special]

As i have been saying for years, you keep Dumba and Brodin, long term. Dumba has had a bad couple/few weeks. Hasn't changed my mind a bit.

If Soucy continues to play at this level consistently(i.e. months), it does bring up the possibility of someone from the back end. As fans, we tend to want to move the guy who is doing less well at the moment. GM's have to be smarter than that, and look long term when selling just before a player's performance starts to drop off.

Trochek, RNH, and especially Kadri are not players that I trade for. Trocheck has had a worrying, long term drop off in play since his injury. RNH doesn't move the needle for me, and will want to get paid over twice what Staal is making, when he is less of a player. Kadri is a head case, heading into his 30's soon, and never was a major talent.

I would rather target a Domi from Montreal...maybe a Poehling, or KK. Younger players, with (hopefully), their best play ahead of them. Even better, i would like to get draft picks, and lots of them. They are no guarantee of a great player, but you at least get a shot at one. Who knows where the next Aho, or Barzal will be picked, but the more chances you get, the better the odds. Maybe it's Beckman, or Kohovanov?

We don't need more expensive, middle six players, who's best hockey is behind them.

If we want to get RNH (Boo!), then you trade a guy like Zucker for him. Similar age, and IMO, similar value, and both players have attributes that the other team want.

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[Nsjohnson]

I'm intrigued on moving Dumba, but it's like a panic and intrigue.

Not now. You move Dumba at the TD or during the Draft. Possibly free agency. His stock can only go up from here.

The thing you can hope for is Dumba has a hot streak starting now.

If he doesn't have one, you don't move him. You wait until next year.

 

[57special]

You also have to wait and see if one of our RHD prospects starts to prove that he can play in the NHL at a reasonably high level before you think about moving Dumba. Has to be better, or have the potential to be better, than Pateryn.

 

[Wabit]

You also have to wait and see if one of our RHD prospects starts to prove that he can play in the NHL at a reasonably high level before you think about moving Dumba. Has to be better, or have the potential to be better, than Pateryn.

They would also have to figure out what to do with Brodin if Dumba was traded. And there is the expansion draft to worry about.

 

[Perratrooper]

I know its borderline treason to come to the Wild board as an Avs fan, but I'm just curious where Dumba stands in terms of availability. I've read some things on the main board that lead me to believe he might be semi-available so I was wondering if there was any truth to it?

 

[AKL]

I know its borderline treason to come to the Wild board as an Avs fan, but I'm just curious where Dumba stands in terms of availability. I've read some things on the main board that lead me to believe he might be semi-available so I was wondering if there was any truth to it?

Probably not, and frankly I’m not sure what the Avs could offer that would be enticing enough to move him. It’s a lot of talk because
1) Spurgeon has a NMC
2) Dumba is having a down year
3) Guys like Soucy, Menell and Belpedio look like they have NHL futures

 

[Wabit]

I know its borderline treason to come to the Wild board as an Avs fan, but I'm just curious where Dumba stands in terms of availability. I've read some things on the main board that lead me to believe he might be semi-available so I was wondering if there was any truth to it?

Dumba to the Avs would be a tough pill to swallow for Wild fans (not sure how management would feel about it).

No real clue if he is available (for a reasonable price). Fans are usually more willing to trade away a guy having an off season than NHL GMs are. I don't put much stock in most reporters as far as speculation on who (non-rental) is available from teams, they need to talk about something to keep people interested in them after all.

 

[57special]

Sure, we will trade a Mumps laden Dumba to you for Timmins, Newhook, and a 1st.

I don't think Dumba is near being available, myself. With Hunt seeming to come back down to earth, Dumba is a necessary piece to get our PP back and running well. Once Spurgeon gets back, Dumba will pair with Brodin, and will be fine.

 

[AKL]

Sure, we will trade a Mumps laden Dumba to you for Timmins, Newhook, and a 1st.

I don't think Dumba is near being available, myself. With Hunt seeming to come back down to earth, Dumba is a necessary piece to get our PP back and running well. Once Spurgeon gets back, Dumba will pair with Brodin, and will be fine.

No the f*** we won’t

 

[Bazeek]

I know its borderline treason to come to the Wild board as an Avs fan, but I'm just curious where Dumba stands in terms of availability. I've read some things on the main board that lead me to believe he might be semi-available so I was wondering if there was any truth to it?

The only thing it makes sense to trade him for is a comparable center, which I don't think the Avs are going to offer.

 

[Perratrooper]

Thanks for all the great responses guys, really appreciate it. Kinda the response I was expecting as obviously Dumba is a good player. I wasn’t sure if something around Timmons was a starting point, but based on what you guys have said it’s not what your team is looking for.

 

[Bazeek]

So Adam Gaudette is a player that's been rattling around in my head since last year when Zucker to Vancouver seemed like a possibility. Big NCAA numbers with Northeastern and some good AHL numbers, but he still had a lot to show as a pro last year.

This year he seems to be taking a step with Vancouver, who's already pretty set at center with Pettersson and Horvat. Decent size, good speed, plenty of skill and Vancouver may have needs at defense and on the wings.

After watching a few Florida games I have to admit that Panthers fans aren't all that off-base with their criticism of Trocheck this year. He's looked pretty passive overall and downright disinterested in the defensive zone. I'm not sure if it's injuries or what, but it has me pumping the brakes a little. And then I look over at Gaudette and wonder if he isn't going to be what we'd hoping for in Trocheck in a year or two...

 

[thestonedkoala]

Adam Gaudette is a big gamble and I don't know if Vancouver wants to get rid of their young players. Also does Pettersson play center? Looks like they have been using Miller, Beagle and Suter along with Gaudette.

 

[Bazeek]

Adam Gaudette is a big gamble and I don't know if Vancouver wants to get rid of their young players. Also does Pettersson play center? Looks like they have been using Miller, Beagle and Suter along with Gaudette.

I think they've still got Horvat and Pettersson as their top two centers, but I could be wrong. Long term I assume that's what they have in mind.

Gaudette seems like a gamble in the same way that Donato was a gamble: a guy that's just making his transition to the NHL, but has the raw ingredients to be the sort of player we want. Donato's obviously gotten squeezed out due to the summer regime change, but I'm pretty happy with how he's come along. Gaudette seems like a similar bet and, if available, shouldn't require parting with Brodin or Dumba (which seems like the most likely alternative).

 

[thestonedkoala]

I know Vancouver fans are pretty high on Gaudette, so it might require Brodin or Dumba.

 

[Bazeek]

I know Vancouver fans are pretty high on Gaudette, so it might require Brodin or Dumba.

Well that'd rule that option out

 

[thestonedkoala]

Well that'd rule that option out

I think something like Donato + Brodin for Gaudette + something might be feasible.

 

[Bazeek]

I think something like Donato + Brodin for Gaudette + something might be feasible.

I think the something would have to be substantially better than Gaudette to make that appealing. I don't think there's a lot separating him and Donato in terms of value.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

So Adam Gaudette is a player that's been rattling around in my head since last year when Zucker to Vancouver seemed like a possibility. Big NCAA numbers with Northeastern and some good AHL numbers, but he still had a lot to show as a pro last year.

This year he seems to be taking a step with Vancouver, who's already pretty set at center with Pettersson and Horvat. Decent size, good speed, plenty of skill and Vancouver may have needs at defense and on the wings.

After watching a few Florida games I have to admit that Panthers fans aren't all that off-base with their criticism of Trocheck this year. He's looked pretty passive overall and downright disinterested in the defensive zone. I'm not sure if it's injuries or what, but it has me pumping the brakes a little. And then I look over at Gaudette and wonder if he isn't going to be what we'd hoping for in Trocheck in a year or two...

His production this year is impressive, and could definitely be indicative of much more. I’d have no problem with bringing him for a winger if Guerin feels he could be a 2C long term.

 

[Bazeek]

His production this year is impressive, and could definitely be indicative of much more. I’d have no problem with bringing him for a winger if Guerin feels he could be a 2C long term.

The one note of caution I'd add is that it's a small number of games and he's got a 20+ sh%, which is going to skew things badly if you try to extrapolate.

Still, there are promising signs with him and he's got a history of performing well.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

The one note of caution I'd add is that it's a small number of games and he's got a 20+ sh%, which is going to skew things badly if you try to extrapolate.

Still, there are promising signs with him and he's got a history of performing well.

Yeah I saw that, which is why I agree that he is similar to donato in the small sample size/good results thing. I’ve never watched him, but like I said if Hurons thinks there’s a 2C there, he should pickup the phone.

 

[Sarge58]

Right now I'm absolutely against trading Dumba or Brodin unless an overpay is the return.

Dumba I feel is having a down year possibly A) he still needs time for a full physical recovery. B) the main reason is he has to get his timing down for his one-timer which takes quite a bit of time for something that needs pinpoint timing. I have a feeling at this time we would be selling low.

Brodin is coming into his own. The one thing I felt for him to become an elite defender would be by adding to his great stick work with a great deal of physicality. I think he's done that.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Per Friedman:

“A couple of my Russian contacts reached out after last week’s note about Islanders goaltending prospect Ilya Sorokin — who is considering an extension in the KHL. They think he’s trying to force a trade from New York to someplace with a clearer path to start. There would be interest — he’s very talented. We’ll see where this goes.”

Sorokin is arguably the best goalie prospect in the world and he plays on Kaprizov’s team in the KHL. I know we have a lot of bullets in the chamber for a potential goalie of the future, but right now there’s no clear guy, so sorokin could be of interest.​

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm down.

 

[AJ Thelen]

Per Friedman:

“A couple of my Russian contacts reached out after last week’s note about Islanders goaltending prospect Ilya Sorokin — who is considering an extension in the KHL. They think he’s trying to force a trade from New York to someplace with a clearer path to start. There would be interest — he’s very talented. We’ll see where this goes.”

Sorokin is arguably the best goalie prospect in the world and he plays on Kaprizov’s team in the KHL. I know we have a lot of bullets in the chamber for a potential goalie of the future, but right now there’s no clear guy, so sorokin could be of interest.​

Read that as well. Kind of just skipped passed it because of Kähkönen, Robson and Jones, but if he can be acquired for a reasonable price, then why not..