Speculation: Trade deadline - March 2 - 3:00

[Drake744]

Neal is better than Kessel.

 

[PerdFan]

First, what if Neal isn't happy here. 2nd, Neal is not good defensively and Kessel is better offensively. Both have baggage.

I would love to have Kessel too, but what makes you think that Toronto A. Would take Neal and a 3rd line C prospect who doesn't even play C for their best player and B. Where in the world did you pull that about Neal being unhappy out from???

Toronto needs defensemen....they're not giving Kessel away for more wingers.

As somewhat proven by yesterday (even though NSH won) our D is just barely deep enough already! AV and Bartley got barely more than 10 min of ice time. How do you think our top 2 pairs will be able to hold out for a cup run playing those kind of minutes? Not to mention that AV has already shown to be injury prone as it is.

If we don't have 3 good pairs, Weber and Josi would be toast by June.

 

[triggrman]

First, I said what if, not he has.

2nd, Neal and Kessel are pretty close talents but Neal's contract is far more favorable. If Toronto gets rid of Kessel they'll need a tip line winger. So Watson and Neal's contract are to make up for the difference in talent.

Also, IMHO, Kessel is better than Neal

 

[Paranoid Android]

I would love to have Kessel too, but what makes you think that Toronto A. Would take Neal and a 3rd line C prospect who doesn't even play C for their best player and B. Where in the world did you pull that about Neal being unhappy out from???

Toronto needs defensemen....they're not giving Kessel away for more wingers.

As somewhat proven by yesterday (even though NSH won) our D is just barely deep enough already! AV and Bartley got barely more than 10 min of ice time. How do you think our top 2 pairs will be able to hold out for a cup run playing those kind of minutes? Not to mention that AV has already shown to be injury prone as it is.

If we don't have 3 good pairs, Weber and Josi would be toast by June.

Why? Doughty averaged nearly 29 minutes per game during LA's cup run. Weber and Josi are perfectly capable of eating 25+ minutes during the playoffs. In fact, we'll need them to. They are the backbone of this team.

 

[PerdFan]

First, I said what if, not he has.

2nd, Neal and Kessel are pretty close talents but Neal's contract is far more favorable. If Toronto gets rid of Kessel they'll need a tip line winger. So Watson and Neal's contract are to make up for the difference in talent.

Also, IMHO, Kessel is better than Neal

But what if Weber wasn't happy? Or Josi? Or God forbid Pekka? We could play that game all day...

Agreed on everything else, but what makes you think Toronto would even consider that when it helps them in no way AT ALL. Even the salary difference doesn't help them when their problem is not Kessel and he is far and away their best player.

 

[PerdFan]

Why? Doughty averaged nearly 29 minutes per game during LA's cup run. Weber and Josi are perfectly capable of eating 25+ minutes during the playoffs. In fact, we'll need them to. They are the backbone of this team.

Yeah but 30 minutes a game from now until the playoffs and then maybe more in the playoffs? We do need them to actually be productive come playoff time to have any chance to win. We lose one of our D now not named Bartley or Volchenkov via trade and IMO, we are hosed come playoff time. We have no one in Milwaukee prepared to step up...NO ONE.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Yeah but 30 minutes a game from now until the playoffs and then maybe more in the playoffs? We do need them to actually be productive come playoff time to have any chance to win. We lose one of our D now not named Bartley or Volchenkov via trade and IMO, we are hosed come playoff time. We have no one in Milwaukee prepared to step up...NO ONE.

Trading for a bottom pairing dman isn't possible? If Volchenkov and Bartley can't be trusted with 15 minutes a night, then they need to be replaced regardless.

 

[thecloser]

The thing is, we don't need to trade Fiala for Kessel. Move Smith + this years 1st + Kamenev or another prospect.

Toronto is in shambles. They may just do something big to shake it up. Poile loves Kessel. Be real surprised if he hasn't been in talks already.

But I'm not moving Fiala or Jones for Kessel. No need to. I'd rather trade this year and next year's 1st than those 2 guys.

 

[glenngineer]

The thing is, we don't need to trade Fiala for Kessel. Move Smith + this years 1st + Kamenev or another prospect.

Toronto is in shambles. They may just do something big to shake it up. Poile loves Kessel. Be real surprised if he hasn't been in talks already.

But I'm not moving Fiala or Jones for Kessel. No need to. I'd rather trade this year and next year's 1st than those 2 guys.

Totally agree. Thank you.

 

[originalpredfan]

Guess I'm missing something this season. I thought we were in 1st place, and had more points than any other NHL team, yet I read all this concern over who else do we need. Granted if we are still in excellent shape near the end of the season we will probably be buyers to fill perceived needs, but I would imagine that it would be smart to keep an eye on our current assets for the next 20 games or so and then start looking at who/what we need. I for one am enjoying the moment.

 

[PerdFan]

Totally agree. Thank you.

Yes I totally agree too.

 

[PerdFan]

Trading for a bottom pairing dman isn't possible? If Volchenkov and Bartley can't be trusted with 15 minutes a night, then they need to be replaced regardless.

But why trade at all? If our 7 Dmen are healthy, why does anyone want to break up a good thing? I just don't understand so many people wanting to trade future/current cornerstones of this team when it's all going so well? Kessel is a complimentary piece, a damned good one, but still a complimentary piece. Unless it's a true #1C coming back, why trade? Is it just the sexy thing? Big name like Kessel suddenly makes us more of a contender when we are already 1st in the league? We are 1st in the league because of all the good pieces we have and need to keep IMO. Sure, there could be some tweaking on the bottom half, but blowing it up to get Kessel just seems stupid to me.

Poile may completely shock me, but no way in hades do I see him doing this.

 

[RCola88]

Guess I'm missing something this season. I thought we were in 1st place, and had more points than any other NHL team, yet I read all this concern over who else do we need. Granted if we are still in excellent shape near the end of the season we will probably be buyers to fill perceived needs, but I would imagine that it would be smart to keep an eye on our current assets for the next 20 games or so and then start looking at who/what we need. I for one am enjoying the moment.

Its not necessarily talk to change things up, but to get better and load up. This is an incredibly strong conference and if we can move Smith (who is my favorite player) and a 1st + B Prospect for Phil Kessel I would do it. We still keep Jones + Fiala who are the future along with Forsberg and are that makes us a borderline #1 center away from the stanley cup



Edit: Ribiero is a great player but I'm talking in the next 5 years

 

[Drake744]

I think Smith is the most realistic expendable guy for value right now. Wilson has been playing great hockey and we have no reason to trade Jones or Fiala. We need to keep our D in tact at all costs.

 

[Paranoid Android]

But why trade at all? If our 7 Dmen are healthy, why does anyone want to break up a good thing? I just don't understand so many people wanting to trade future/current cornerstones of this team when it's all going so well? Kessel is a complimentary piece, a damned good one, but still a complimentary piece. Unless it's a true #1C coming back, why trade? Is it just the sexy thing? Big name like Kessel suddenly makes us more of a contender when we are already 1st in the league? We are 1st in the league because of all the good pieces we have and need to keep IMO. Sure, there could be some tweaking on the bottom half, but blowing it up to get Kessel just seems stupid to me.

Poile may completely shock me, but no way in hades do I see him doing this.

I never said we had to trade, but if someone like Kessel becomes available, you have to jump on it. I'd bet on Toronto waiting until the offseason if they decide to move him anyway. When you have a chance to add a player like Kessel, it doesn't matter what place you're in. You do it if you could use him. I'm thinking more long term with a move like this.

I agree, a long term center is a concern, but a long term elite winger is important as well.

I'll just say I disagree with your assessment on Kessel. He creates offense on his own.

Also, I like how trading a bottom pairing dman is "blowing it up."

 

[PerdFan]

I never said we had to trade, but if someone like Kessel becomes available, you have to jump on it. I'd bet on Toronto waiting until the offseason if they decide to move him anyway. When you have a chance to add a player like Kessel, it doesn't matter what place you're in. You do it if you could use him. I'm thinking more long term with a move like this.

I agree, a long term center is a concern, but a long term elite winger is important as well.

I'll just say I disagree with your assessment on Kessel. He creates offense on his own.

Also, I like how trading a bottom pairing dman is "blowing it up."

If you are trading Jones during the season for Kessel then that is blowing it up. This offseason? I'm all for it...I'm all for it twice as a matter of fact.

Smith, a prospect and a couple 1st's? Let's go! Any of our top 5 D....hell no, not during the season.

Like I said, I don't see this as even a glimmer in Poile's one good eye if it involves any of our D (which is what Toronto would want for Kessel). As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that Poile sleeps with a picture of our defense under his pillow and kisses them goodnight...he loves them that much.

 

[jwhouk]

I'd be more willing to trade Fiala for Kessel than Jones or anyone we already have on the roster.

 

[Mypetrobot]

If you are trading Jones during the season for Kessel then that is blowing it up. This offseason? I'm all for it...I'm all for it twice as a matter of fact.

Smith, a prospect and a couple 1st's? Let's go! Any of our top 5 D....hell no, not during the season.

Like I said, I don't see this as even a glimmer in Poile's one good eye if it involves any of our D (which is what Toronto would want for Kessel). As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that Poile sleeps with a picture of our defense under his pillow and kisses them goodnight...he loves them that much.

He did trade Klein.

 

[bdub24]

We would have to move a contract right? Or could we send Arcobello down if we got a trade done with prospects and draft picks for a vet?

 

[PredsV82]

Totally agree. Thank you.

just for clarification, I'd rather not trade Fiala and if we could get Kessel with other pieces(but not Jones) I would much rather do that

 

[Infinite Jest]

just for clarification, I'd rather not trade Fiala and if we could get Kessel with other pieces(but not Jones) I would much rather do that

How do you figure the Preds could acquire a top 10 offensive forward in the league without giving up Jones or Fiala? You're willing to trade Forsberg or Josi? I'd much rather not trade any great pieces as well, but that stuff isn't going to get you Phil Kessel.

 

[PerdFan]

He did trade Klein.

And got a needed LHD in return. Not the same thing at all. And we all know now that Poile was already setting up a group of young-puck moving Defensmen that would fit Lavy's soon to be implemented system. It just didn't work out the way he thought it would with MDZ.

 

[PredsV82]

How do you figure the Preds could acquire a top 10 offensive forward in the league without giving up Jones or Fiala? You're willing to trade Forsberg or Josi? I'd much rather not trade any great pieces as well, but that stuff isn't going to get you Phil Kessel.

follow the convo I was responding to, which suggested we could possibly get him for picks. Im not saying its likely, i was just following up on an earlier discussion.

And it depends on whether the Leafs are gonna clean house and Kessel is thought to be problem. His trade value all go down some if it becomes known that the Leafs are determined to jettison him

 

[Paranoid Android]

If you are trading Jones during the season for Kessel then that is blowing it up. This offseason? I'm all for it...I'm all for it twice as a matter of fact.

Smith, a prospect and a couple 1st's? Let's go! Any of our top 5 D....hell no, not during the season.

Like I said, I don't see this as even a glimmer in Poile's one good eye if it involves any of our D (which is what Toronto would want for Kessel). As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that Poile sleeps with a picture of our defense under his pillow and kisses them goodnight...he loves them that much.

That image of Poile in my head

Let me clarify, I what think should happen and what I think Poile will do are two different things. I agree Poile will probably stand pat unless it's a low risk rental or a grinder of some type. I'm giving my own 2 cents, not a prediction.

I guess we just have different definitions of blowing it up. Agree to disagree. I think we'd be fine without Jones for this year (assuming Ellis is ok). It will hurt in a couple years when he starts to break out. But right now? He's replaceable. Funny that you would trade Smith, who is more important right now than Jones IMO.

 

[token grinder]

How do you figure the Preds could acquire a top 10 offensive forward in the league without giving up Jones or Fiala? You're willing to trade Forsberg or Josi? I'd much rather not trade any great pieces as well, but that stuff isn't going to get you Phil Kessel.

Smith, and established 20 goal scorer and a first plus a F prospect (Watson/Sissons/Aberg) gets it done.Toronto has a ton of young D.