Trade deadline: 1st round pick (11th to 25th overall) in 2025

[KevinRedkey]

This or next year's pick is being forfeited because of Dorion.

If we miss the playoffs, it looks like our pick could be as bad as about 11th overall.
If we lose in round 1, it's likely to be 16-18th overall
If we lose in round 2, it's likely to be 24-25th overall
Anything outside of those scenarios seems unlikely.

With that in mind - What do you do with the Sens 1st round pick? We are about 2 months from the trade deadline and it looks like we could use a winger for Timmy, and/or a RD to demote Hamonic. We don't really have any prospects worth much, so this is our best trade asset aside from maybe the 2026 pick (if we forfeit 2025).

There's also the option of trading whichever of the two picks we don't keep. For example:
To Team X: 2025 or 2026 1st (Ottawa's choice)
To Ottawa: Magic beans

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[PlayOn]

Sens aren’t in a position to trade a first after trading two in the last three years and having to forfeit one.

At some point we want to be a contender and that will also mean trading first round picks. Doing it now doesn’t make much sense, even with an additional winger we are a borderline playoff team. Having one first round pick in five years when you’re not even contending would be terrible - we shouldn’t make this situation worse than it already is.

 

[Xspyrit]

We’re possibly going to be worse next season with Giroux, Perron and Jensen getting older and our cap situation so might as well play it safe if this pick is not in the top-10

I would have not expected this a few years back as I thought we’d be a serious contender by now after a full rebuild but this team just isn’t good enough. Forfeit the pick if it’s out of the top-10; can’t afford to take big risks

 

[BondraTime]

Can’t trade the pick, they need it

 

[aragorn]

Ott has had little success trading away 1st rd picks & given the state of their prospect group, I doubt they do it now. There are approximately two to three very good RW players available in the first rd of this upcoming 2025 draft around where the Sens could be drafting.

At some point soon Giroux needs to be replaced with a player who can play in the top six who is a right shot & there are not any in our system. Given they have most of their young roster in place who are slowly starting to mature, adding good young 1s rd players to this already good roster can only make it better. I think this is the direction they stay with as they did with last yr's draft by adding to the system with positional players they lack in the system.

When everyone is healthy we have 4 top 4 D & we have a top 4 RD coming with Yakemchuk, so why trade for one? We need a top six forward preferably at RW & there are some available so why not fill that need. It's likely they add Ostapchuk C/LW & Merilainen G to next yr's roster & maybe Yakemchuk. They are at the point they need to tweak & add not overhaul. This has been a successful Dec, once they get back to Ott they can regenerate & back to winning some games, they have made a huge improvement from past yrs.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

We already had a thread about this pick.

There is next to no chance that they move a first in a trade because they have no way to lottery protect it, since a team is unlikely to wait 3 years for a pick, and one of the next two picks have to go to the league.

If they are outside of the top 10, just get it over with and give up the pick. They had a request to have less chaos by the players. Nothing would be more chaotic than the team being reminded as after every loss in 2025-26 that they might lose out on Gavin McKenna. It's made worse by the fact that the league included the forfeited pick in the lottery.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

After watching the last two games, no way I trade an asset to make a push this year.

Even in feel good times when we look like a good team for a spell I wouldn’t trade an pick at the deadline this year.

 

[darude]

The biggest problem I see is that we've spent so many years adding picks to every trade our cupboard is bare.

With how this team has played this year though, they're the exact on the cusp team that *should* be sending out a pick to make the team better. I just don't think we can afford to, especially because if we do that this year we're forfeiting next year's.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

After watching the last two games, no way I trade an asset to make a push this year.

Even in feel good times when we look like a good team for a spell I wouldn’t trade an pick at the deadline this year.

I would trade assets, just not a 1st.

The way I see it, we haven't made the playoffs in almost a decade. If giving up a 2nd round pick gives us even a slightly higher chance of making it, it's something they have to do. There is a flu bug in the room at the end of a very long road trip, so I'm not going to panic about the last two games.

They also are about to cross a rubicon with Tkachuk's NMC, where playoffs and a run might be the difference between keeping him here for the next decade, or having to make a very tough choice before his NMC kicks in. Which I know, some posters want to avoid that topic, but this is an appropriate context to consider it.

 

[Stutzlaaaa]

I wouls forfeit the pick this year cause of Dorion ,we're in good position to make the playoff this year it should be the goal .Am with you that we need to add good forward to the roster but I don't think we need our first to do so .

Don't try to get the expensive fish like we did with Dorion.Use 2nd or prospect to get a player that will fit eith Stu should be the goal AKA complementary type of player that wouls produce on higher pace with Stu in a bad team right now.

And it doea have to be a player past his prime, we did that too much these last few years.

 

[aragorn]

Rather than trading picks they have some assets that could go to tweak the team & improve in a certain position. One of Sogaard or Forsberg, JBD, Hamonic, Gregor & Perron are all possibilities unless they make the playoffs then I assume they keep most roster players.

If it looks like they could make the playoffs then I expect they trade away late picks and/or prospects or players they don't need to improve a position for the remainder of this yr. If they are not in the playoffs than I expect they could trade any of the players above.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wouls forfeit the pick this year cause of Dorion ,we're in good position to make the playoff

This is a wild post because the placement of the comma could drastically change what you're implying.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Since we already have a thread on this topic , I am going to put this out of context post here

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Yeah...that first rounder we have to forfeit (along with the team pissing away a few recent first round picks) basically screws over the team for the next couple of years. We really can't make any drastic moves or move a high pick or a decent prospect for the foreseeable future. We're handcuffed for awhile here.

Really, our only hope is to somehow make the playoffs and go a round or two deep this spring so we can hand over the 2025 pick and reduce the loss of that pick as much as possible.

 

[Stylizer1]

Since we already have a thread on this topic , I am going to put this out of context post here

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[KevinRedkey]

Since we already have a thread on this topic , I am going to put this out of context post here

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lmao

Sorry I didnt see the thread about it. My bad.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It's made worse by the fact that the league included the forfeited pick in the lottery.

how is that even possible,
the Sens forfeited puck will go in the lottery, will they have a lottery, to see who gets the Sens pick? Maybe just wasn’t explained well enough.

The Sens don’t have to decide what to do, until after lottery this year, but next year, the pick will not be going in the lottery, if we keep this years pick.

 

[Alex1234]

how is that even possible,
the Sens forfeited puck will go in the lottery, will they have a lottery, to see who gets the Sens pick? Maybe just wasn’t explained well enough.

The Sens don’t have to decide what to do, until after lottery this year, but next year, the puck will not be going in the lottery, if we keep this years puck.

Vegas is winning that pick if that’s the case.
You can bet on it

 

[BondraTime]

how is that even possible,
the Sens forfeited puck will go in the lottery, will they have a lottery, to see who gets the Sens pick? Maybe just wasn’t explained well enough.

The Sens don’t have to decide what to do, until after lottery this year, but next year, the puck will not be going in the lottery, if we keep this years puck.

If the Sens pick is forfeited, and they win the lottery for the #1 pick, the draft will just start at #2. Unless they fix it because it’s a very bad looking to not have a #1. That’s if the pick was added.

Same way the Coyotes lost their #11 pick, and it just meant the 2021 draft went 1-10, 12-31. The 11th player taken is deemed to be the 12th overall pick.

What he means, I assume, is we can’t protect this pick because it still goes in the lottery, which we can’t choose to keep.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If the Sens pick is forfeited, and they win the lottery for the #1 pick, the draft will just start at #2. Unless they fix it because it’s a very bad looking to not have a #1. That’s if the pick was added.

Same way the Coyotes lost their #11 pick, and it just meant the 2021 draft went 1-10, 12-31. The 11th player taken is deemed to be the 12th overall pick.

What he means, I assume, is we can’t protect this pick because it still goes in the lottery, which we can’t choose to keep.

So that would only apply for 2026 then.

As 2025 you would get to see if the team won one of the 2 lottery spots. (If didn’t make playoffs)

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

how is that even possible,
the Sens forfeited puck will go in the lottery, will they have a lottery, to see who gets the Sens pick? Maybe just wasn’t explained well enough.

The Sens don’t have to decide what to do, until after lottery this year, but next year, the pick will not be going in the lottery, if we keep this years pick.

The short of it is that we will know where we would have drafted had we not given up the pick.

If the Sens pick wins either lottery, it gets re-drawn.

So from that perspective, fans will know if we lose McKenna, which would make it worse.

If the Sens pick is forfeited, and they win the lottery for the #1 pick, the draft will just start at #2. Unless they fix it because it’s a very bad looking to not have a #1. That’s if the pick was added.

Same way the Coyotes lost their #11 pick, and it just meant the 2021 draft went 1-10, 12-31. The 11th player taken is deemed to be the 12th overall pick.

What he means, I assume, is we can’t protect this pick because it still goes in the lottery, which we can’t choose to keep.

They still include us in the lottery, it's just a redraw if we win. That was the situation with Arizona.

I also did refer to our inability to protect our pick. Which would factor into trading it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The short of it is that we will know where we would have drafted had we not given up the pick.

You haven’t been explaining yourself well.
2025 - Sens know the lottery results before they decide, if they’re keeping the pick or not.

it seems like you’ve made some assumptions, but not shared those in your posts.

If the Sens pick wins either lottery, it gets re-drawn.

Back to the point of not explaining well.
At least provide your assumptions of what the team did, or what year you’re referring to.
No it doesn’t get redrawn, if 2025 Sens win the lottery, why is the pick redrawn.
Sens make a lottery pick 2 months later then.

So from that perspective, fans will know if we lose McKenna, which would make it worse.

If it gets to 2026 then ya,
But I’m not loser thinking about trying to win a lottery for McKenna. The odds are in favour of the team being better next year than this year.

I’m still holding out hope Sens get pick 32 next year.

 

[bicboi64]

I dunno about forfeiting this year or next years 1st rounder, but they cannot trade whatever pick we keep.

We're not going to get full value for it and we need to stock the cupboards. After Yakemchuk, its empty af and we have no ELC pipeline which is vital to succeed these days. Unless someone is offering us a cost controlled top 6 winger or 2RD (which no one will), do not trade any first rounders.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

You haven’t been explaining yourself well.
2025 - Sens know the lottery results before they decide, if they’re keeping the pick or not.

it seems like you’ve made some assumptions, but not shared those in your posts.


Back to the point of not explaining well.
At least provide your assumptions of what the team did, or what year you’re referring to.
No it doesn’t get redrawn, if 2025 Sens win the lottery, why is the pick redrawn.
Sens make a lottery pick 2 months later then.

If it gets to 2026 then ya,
But I’m not loser thinking about trying to win a lottery for McKenna. The odds are in favour of the team being better next year than this year.

I’m still holding out hope Sens get pick 32 next year.

I have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

That’s because your post was not clear at all, and you were contradicting yourself, and made no sense, there were just too many options to choose from, what you meant.

So thus the questions to you, hoping the answers might make your point clear. Apparently not, cheers then.