Trade Darnell Nurse

[russ99]

Whining about the bridge is silly, we were slammed against the cap due to Chia and the contract was bad timing after the insane deal Seth Jones got. We went bridge since if we didn't, there wouldnt have been cap to ice 21+2, and as much as some fans would do that an NHL GM won't. No crying over spilt milk.

I'm way more interested in when we can get this deal done and who can we bring in to replace him wearing the "A" that's an actual leader.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Altruistic gods… talk about exaggerating.

I just named 4 leadership players who didn’t take the max amount of money and that’s just on the Oilers. It’s what separates the leaders like Crosby from the Kaprisovs imo

I already said it’s mostly on Holland but nurse pushed for the max amount so he gets the criticism that comes along with that.

McDavid came at a discount, sure. The rest? If it's a discount it's not a significant one. Ekholm is starting to show signs of aging, I think 4m is ideally what he should make.

Nuge I would also say is just about right for a 50 point guy that ideally should be a bottom six center but can slot in as a top six winger if necessary.

Draisatl.... He definitely could've gotten more on the market, absolutely. But he still has a very heavy cap hit. I'm okay with paying him 14m but I struggle to call it a discount.

Plus all of these guys have those wonderful NMCs that I hate so much. While certainly understandable to give them to McDavid and Draisatl, it makes it harder to move the other two when the time will inevitably come to move on from them.

Also still don't love that Walman extension. It's another that management really should've waited on to sign.

 

[BudBundy]

I can certainly be annoyed at Nurse's play on the ice, but his contract is 100% Holland and his complete lack of foresight.

Holland pulled the trigger but the real villain in this story is Pistol Pete Chiarelli. His contracts, the most egregious of which was the Lucic boat anchor, made signing Nurse to a “Klefbom” contract impossible. Word at the time was Nurse was willing to sign a 6x6 when he was an RFA, but there was no cap space. Oh don’t worry, Darryl, Pete said. We’ll bridge contract you and take care of you later. When that bridge contract ended, still no cap space. They bridged him again and his contract end date would result in him being a pending UFA. You know how the rest went. Covid. Flat cap. And the Werenski and Jones contracts setting the market. Holland was screwed. Pony up, or let your young 6’4” bestest buddy of McDavid walk away for nothing the day after playing over 50 minutes in a double overtime playoff loss to Winnipeg. Yes, Holland offered it. Nurse signed it. Chiarelli screwed the whole thing up and it echoes still today.

 

[oobga]

Holland pulled the trigger but the real villain in this story is Pistol Pete Chiarelli. His contracts, the most egregious of which was the Lucic boat anchor, made signing Nurse to a “Klefbom” contract impossible. Word at the time was Nurse was willing to sign a 6x6 when he was an RFA, but there was no cap space. Oh don’t worry, Darryl, Pete said. We’ll bridge contract you and take care of you later. When that bridge contract ended, still no cap space. They bridged him again and his contract end date would result in him being a pending UFA. You know how the rest went. Covid. Flat cap. And the Werenski and Jones contracts setting the market. Holland was screwed. Pony up, or let your young 6’4” bestest buddy of McDavid walk away for nothing the day after playing over 50 minutes in a double overtime playoff loss to Winnipeg. Yes, Holland offered it. Nurse signed it. Chiarelli screwed the whole thing up and it echoes still today.

Holland did the same thing with Bouch. Used up all his cap space the second he got it and didn't make discussing a long term deal with Bouch even an option.

We really really need to stop hiring incompetent boobs, with no plan aside from just winging it every summer and chasing the new shiny objects that catch our eye, as our GMs one of these days.

 

[Arpeggio]

Drai could have signed for basically whatever he wanted and the Oilers would have had to say yes.

That's not true, he was coming off a 77 point season, the Oilers easily could've bridged him. You can look up the reactions to the deal at the time, a lot of people thought the Oilers were making a mistake.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Holland did the same thing with Bouch. Used up all his cap space the second he got it and didn't make discussing a long term deal with Bouch even an option.

We really really need to stop hiring incompetent boobs as our GMs one of these days.

They've all played a significant role in our lack of a Stanley Cup. They're all basically the same GM making the same mistakes.

That we allow them to sign horrific contracts that will last beyond their tenure is also incredibly stupid.

 

[K1984]

Holland did the same thing with Bouch. Used up all his cap space the second he got it and didn't make discussing a long term deal with Bouch even an option.

We really really need to stop hiring incompetent boobs, with no plan aside from just winging it every summer and chasing the new shiny objects that catch our eye, as our GMs one of these days.

There are two parties that have to sign a deal, and Bouchard signing a long term contract before A - he is on the PP full time for a full season (wasn't in '23) and/or B the cap escalates significantly as forecasted would have been dumb on his end.

The best GM in the world could have demanded a long term deal, and Bouchard's agent could have (wisely) told him to pound sand. Not to mention the fact that we have been up against the cap constantly, we wouldn't have been able to just rip a $8+AAV deal on Bouchard years ago even if we wanted to.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

He didn't, if I remember correctly he tried to sign long-term deals twice, I believe the second time it would've been 6x6, which would've been a very team-friendly deal. At the time of signing, Draisaitl's first deal was not seen as team-friendly either. And the Oilers were also spending the money they were saving on Nurse by bridging him twice on way worse players.

I don't know. You bridge a guy twice, then extend him following a career year when you still had a year left on his contract. I don't understand how even 1% of the blame goes on Nurse for that contract. No one had a gun to their head if they said lets wait a year and see what happens.

Holland gave Nurse the second bridge deal so he could sign Kassian to that awful contract that he ended up paying Arizona to take lol.

Self inflicted wounds all around.

 

[PinSeeker]

Moral of the story: the old boys club of recycled archaic GM's has got to stop. I have no faith Bowman will handle this properly.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Moral of the story: the old boys club of recycled archaic GM's has got to stop. I have no faith Bowman will handle this properly.

Bowman is really the only coach in 70 years to win a cup with 2 teams.
Ruthurford is the only GM since the O6 to win a cup with more than 1 team.

Why are we chasing cup-winning pedigree when history has shown us it either does not matter or is detrimental?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Why do Edmonton Oilers fans have a hate-on for Darnell Nurse anyway?​

Why do Edmonton Oilers fans have a hate-on for Darnell Nurse anyway?

He's not a bad player, but the effort and results he brings night in and night out are nowhere near the elite level his contract suggests

edmontonsun.com

More clickbait from the worst sports writer of Post Media and arguably in all media.

Hey, the local competition is fierce. Worse we have several intentional troll media sorts here on local beats. These guys are unreadable.

I don't think this guy even watches sports. Or clueless.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Did I hear right that Darnell Nurse has Pittsburgh and LA on his trade list? Thats like failing another IQ test. Just heard on radio, probably bs.

 

[lilidk]

Detroit is shy on D.

Detroit could also trade , center is hard to get, but you could get high draft picks and try to get one

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Did I hear right that Darnell Nurse has Pittsburgh and LA on his trade list? Thats like failing another IQ test. Just heard on radio, probably bs.

both of those destinations make sense considering Dubas was his GM in SS Marie and Holland here

 

[oobga]

There are two parties that have to sign a deal, and Bouchard signing a long term contract before A - he is on the PP full time for a full season (wasn't in '23) and/or B the cap escalates significantly as forecasted would have been dumb on his end.

The best GM in the world could have demanded a long term deal, and Bouchard's agent could have (wisely) told him to pound sand. Not to mention the fact that we have been up against the cap constantly, we wouldn't have been able to just rip a $8+AAV deal on Bouchard years ago even if we wanted to.

There is always a discussion to be had if the GM has planned properly. Injury risk, bad luck, etc... all play a factor in a player risking a short term deal. Media guys at the time said 7-8M was Bouch's ask for an 8 year deal.

The issue is, Holland didn't even have room for a 5M deal. He left Bouch as the last thing to deal with that summer, and wasted his cap space as usual to box himself in. There was no discussion that could have even been had because Holland never had a plan. Holland started his negotiation with Bouch just saying a short term deal is all we could do because we suck so bad at cap management.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Bowman is really the only coach in 70 years to win a cup with 2 teams.
Ruthurford is the only GM since the O6 to win a cup with more than 1 team.

Why are we chasing cup-winning pedigree when history has shown us it either does not matter or is detrimental?

Simple, it's an easy and lazy solution to hire friends (especially those with past success) than to break the mold. Obviously we had no idea how things would turn out down the road, but they passed on Bill Zito twice for known commodities. I don't think any Oiler fan would take Holland over Zito now.

 

[BeanBurrito]

Nurse requesting a trade at this point is like getting fired then saying "No! I quit!"

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Simple, it's an easy and lazy solution to hire friends (especially those with past success) than to break the mold. Obviously we had no idea how things would turn out down the road, but they passed on Bill Zito twice for known commodities. I don't think any Oiler fan would take Holland over Zito now.

Hard to say.

Zito, Brisebois, GMGM and McCrimmon all seem great when they're managing southern tax-free teams, but what if they're managing a team in the Canadian prairies?

Remember when Yzerman was supposedly the best GM in hockey in Tampa? Where did that genius go now that his players have to account for taxes, and they have snow in the winter?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Hard to say.

Zito, Brisebois, GMGM and McCrimmon all seem great when they're managing southern tax-free teams, but what if they're managing a team in the Canadian prairies?

Remember when Yzerman was supposedly the best GM in hockey in Tampa? Where did that genius go now that his players have to account for taxes, and they have snow in the winter?

I mean sure but ask yourself this simple question:

Do you think Bill Zito would've signed the Nurse and Frederic contracts?

 

[K1984]

I mean sure but ask yourself this simple question:

Do you think Bill Zito would've signed the Nurse and Frederic contracts?

If it wasn't those, there's a high degree of likelihood he would have signed another dumb one or two along the way.

When you actually have to work and grind to get players, sometimes you make bad bets and f*** things up. When you get to just sit there and wait for the cream of the crop to just call you asking to come to your team, things work a lot easier.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Holland had an entire year to hammer out a contract. I understand trepidation of letting him walk for nothing, but if he can't hack that sort of situation then he had no business being in the GM's chair. An analytical view of Nurse's year would've shown that he was bound to regress and sure enough that's exactly what happened. I really don't think it would've taken any brilliant mind to figure out that Nurse wasn't going to shoot double his career sh% going forward.

There's also the sad irony that Holland helped facilitate that awful Seth Jones contract that directly influenced Nurse's extension.

It's not like this was the only contract that Holland signed that had a very low chance of panning out. He extended Kassian when his numbers were on the downturn and it wasn't even remotely surprising that Holland had to pay to make him go away.

GMs often get tricked by career years, that much is nothing new. I just wish Holland had the foresight and patience to work out something far more reasonable.

You’d think Hollands vast experience would have afforded him some perspective, how could he rush that so stupidly? It’s common sense stuff in my eyes.

Anyway hopefully the geezer will take that contract back, he’s the only one that thought it was a good deal.

 

[K1984]

You’d think Hollands vast experience would have afforded him some perspective, how could he rush that so stupidly? It’s common sense stuff in my eyes.

Anyway hopefully the geezer will take that contract back, he’s the only one that thought it was a good deal.

It isn't even the AAV that is the most offensive to me, it's the inclusion of the NMC/buy out proof structure.

If the player wants to push a deal to max value before really earning it, there needs to be some give somewhere to allow the team out. It either needed to be buyout friendly or limited/no trade protection as a counter balance, and Holland got neither.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

McDavid came at a discount, sure. The rest? If it's a discount it's not a significant one. Ekholm is starting to show signs of aging, I think 4m is ideally what he should make.

Nuge I would also say is just about right for a 50 point guy that ideally should be a bottom six center but can slot in as a top six winger if necessary.

Draisatl.... He definitely could've gotten more on the market, absolutely. But he still has a very heavy cap hit. I'm okay with paying him 14m but I struggle to call it a discount.

Plus all of these guys have those wonderful NMCs that I hate so much. While certainly understandable to give them to McDavid and Draisatl, it makes it harder to move the other two when the time will inevitably come to move on from them.

Also still don't love that Walman extension. It's another that management really should've waited on to sign.

Maybe not a discount but none of those players took as much as they possibly could in the point.

The Walman one is ugggly, bowman sucks.

 

[Sanchobanana]

Nurse having a trade list is hilarious. He's going to need to include all 31 teams to have a hope in hell. Maybe he should include beer league teams too.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Nurse having a trade list is hilarious. He's going to need to include all 31 teams to have a hope in hell. Maybe he should include beer league teams too.

I thought this at first but sounds like there is interest