Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LIV

[BuiumSaveUs]

I do think the Devils would be easy for me to cheer for, compared to some of the other options

Two number one centers? I wouldn’t even know what to do

 

[Wabit]

Two number one centers? I wouldn’t even know what to do

Baby steps. Find a team, like Vegas (before Eichel), with a couple of middle-6 centers and work your way up form there.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Baby steps. Find a team, like Vegas (before Eichel), with a couple of middle-6 centers and work your way up form there.

I have a have a team like that

 

[Wabit]

I have a have a team like that

Who? MN only has 1 middle-6 center and a bunch of 4th line C/RWs

 

[Spurgeon]

Talbot + Fiala to NJD seems like it could return something useful.

Maybe Zucc for Georgiev++ in NY? (Or some other team with a need for a PPG vet winger)

Dumba to some team with a need for an hard-hitting offensive RHD

This team has a lot of assets to rebuild this team into something special. Need to target ELCs, and guys we can get back with salary retained. Really wish we didn’t waste a 2nd + 3rd on the Fleury and DLo trades. Not super valueable, but definitely still sweeteners.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Who? MN only has 1 middle-6 center and a bunch of 4th line C/RWs

Ek and Hartman are both middle six centers

 

[Wabit]

Ek and Hartman are both middle six centers

Hartman had a great year, but he's not a 3rd line center on quality teams.

 

[Spurgeon]

Hartman had a great year, but he's not a 3rd line center on quality teams.

4th line centers can’t put up 35 goals, even playing with a guy of Kaprizov’s ability. He has had untapped skill that’s been apparent since he arrived here.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Hartman had a great year, but he's not a 3rd line center on quality teams.

Like this if you disagree

 

[Wabit]

4th line centers can’t put up 35 goals, even playing with a guy of Kaprizov’s ability. He has had untapped skill that’s been apparent since he arrived here.

Chucky (30g) and Domi (28g) both spiked 1 good year at center. Hartman spiked a 34g year.

Heck Freddy G paced a better gf/60 with Fiala and Boldy as Hartman did with Kaprizov.

 

[Spurgeon]

Chucky (30g) and Domi (28g) both spiked 1 good year at center. Hartman spiked a 34g year.

Heck Freddy G paced a better gf/60 with Fiala and Boldy as Hartman did with Kaprizov.

That’s fair. I just think Hartman has shown a lot in his career that makes him much closer to a middle 6er than a 4th line player.

 

[Wabit]

That’s fair. I just think Hartman has shown a lot in his career that makes him much closer to a middle 6er than a 4th line player.

I could see him a 3rd line wing that can play up. I just don't see him having the puck handling and awareness skills that a center should have. He has a decent shot and decent speed. He doesn't carry the puck well in traffic and isn't a very good passer.

Wild fans have just been conditioned over the last couple of seasons scraping the bottom of the barrel with centers (Rask, Bonino, MarJo, Bjugstad, Sturm, Jost, Freddy G, and Hartman) that it's easy to latch on to anyone that shows a pulse and think they are good.

 

[fredrikstad]

If the playoffs end up a failure, there's a chance Zuccarello gets traded this summer, according to Norwegian media.

And I don't disagree, Zucc probably doesn't see a chance to win a cup with this team anyway for the next couple of years.

What Norwegian media?

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Ek and Hartman are both middle six centers

Hartman could be a decent 3C but Ek is a great 3C.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

We NEED to trade for a 1C. Get rid of Fiala and Dumba and don’t bring back Deslauriers and bring up Beckman and Rossi. Play a kid line of Beckman-Rossi-Boldy and then put that top C with Kap. What’s the worst that could happen? A top draft pick would be better than losing in the f***ing first round again and again.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

We NEED to trade for a 1C. Get rid of Fiala and Dumba and don’t bring back Deslauriers and bring up Beckman and Rossi. Play a kid line of Beckman-Rossi-Boldy and then put that top C with Kap. What’s the worst that could happen? A top draft pick would be better than losing in the f***ing first round again and again.

We need to draft and develop one. I agree, though. This team can't do anything without a number 1 center, and I'm not sure that Rossi develops into that anymore. I like Holtz coming back in a fiala deal, but I think if you can get a potential 1C in a deal, that takes presedence. Probably have to trade for 7th and hope there's a future 1C there. Maybe package 7 and 26 or whatever and move up for Cooley.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

We need to draft and develop one. I agree, though. This team can't do anything without a number 1 center, and I'm not sure that Rossi develops into that anymore. I like Holtz coming back in a fiala deal, but I think if you can get a potential 1C in a deal, that takes presedence. Probably have to trade for 7th and hope there's a future 1C there. Maybe package 7 and 26 or whatever and move up for Cooley.

PLD is on his last year with the Jets and plenty of speculation that Scheifele is on the trade block. Even though there is plenty of negativity around those 2 players id go after them.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

PLD is on his last year with the Jets and plenty of speculation that Scheifele is on the trade block. Even though there is plenty of negativity around those 2 players id go after them.

don't want scheifele, don't know how we aquire PLD, and i don't know how we afford either of them

 

[Sad People]

Realistically what do yall think we could get for Talbot?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

don't want scheifele, don't know how we aquire PLD, and i don't know how we afford either of them

Nice picture.

Realistically what do yall think we could get for Talbot?

Mid round pick, maybe.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

don't want scheifele, don't know how we aquire PLD, and i don't know how we afford either of them

iv seen all the negative talk about him disappearing and not caring so that does scare me. i dont recall seeing much on the PLD front from Jets fans. outside of those 2 names i am not recalling other 1c options outside of the draft and develop approach.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

PLD is on his last year with the Jets and plenty of speculation that Scheifele is on the trade block. Even though there is plenty of negativity around those 2 players id go after them.

Hell no on Schiefele

 

[57special]

We NEED to trade for a 1C. Get rid of Fiala and Dumba and don’t bring back Deslauriers and bring up Beckman and Rossi. Play a kid line of Beckman-Rossi-Boldy and then put that top C with Kap. What’s the worst that could happen? A top draft pick would be better than losing in the f***ing first round again and again.

Beckman had a very ordinary AHL season, and you want to bring him up? Rossi had a good season, but was by no means killing it, either.
That line would get absolutely abused physically.

 

[Spurgeon]

We did Talbot so f***ing dirty honestly. He comes back from injury, performs his ass off, and we give him one game to try to save the playoffs. Trading him to a shit team would be the cherry on top.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I'm disappointed, but the reality is, you aren't going to make a run if you aren't deep down the middle, on the back-end, and in goal. I have to question how the current team is constructed. It's not good enough, but there are encouraging signs that Guerin knows he has to build this team differently. Wallstedt can be a cornerstone in net in the future. He's targeted quality, good skating defenseman early and often in the draft. I worry that Guerin believes in this "driving offense from the wing" thing a little too much. We need to get more good, young centers.

The reality is, this team has a lot of high-end parts. I think we'll probably make the playoffs in 2 if not all 3 of the next dead cap seasons. But, we don't have the cap flexibility to fix the glaring holes (number 1 center, quality starting goalie). It's going to be more of the same over the next three years, and I think it probably get's Guerin fired. I just hope the rest of the pieces can fall into place before Kaprizov hit's free agency.

Thoughts?