Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - 2021 Season Edition
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Not sure what's worse, the constant lack of patience in developing defencemen writing off Liljegren, ready to let Dermott go because we have Sandin and Niemela, only to probably lose their patience in their development in 2 years time, or the people who get upset at draft Amirov over Schneider because D are more valuable literally less than 24 hours after reminiscing about how we screwed up trading back for Dermott+ instead of drafting Konecny.
That ends my rant for the day.
That ends my rant for the day.
If dermott can't transition to play the right side he is almost certainly not a leaf in 2 years time barring a massive injury or Rielly contract issues.
He isn't passing Rielly/Muzzin on the depth chart so he is guaranteed to be a bottom pairing defender and as a result is blocking the develop of Sandin.
Honestly I think the Muzzin extension was likely the start of the end for Dermott in Toronto which is too bad as I think there is a decent chance he could become a 2nd pairing guy.
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The Leafs have had shit defensemen development my whole life.
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Perhaps, but I don't think Dermott or Liljegren right now is an example of that. Dermott got stalled a bit with injuries this past year and a half but besides that has been developing very well. I don't think Liljegren is going to have the offensive ceiling many hoped he would but what he's done to this point at 21 years old has been completely fine development wise.
I was slightly annoyed we signed Muzzin, partly because of that, partly because I don't think it will age well, partly because Pietrangelo, and partly because flat cap hindsight. I think Dermott can transition to the right side but I don't think it's fair to write him off because of Muzzin. I think he's a better defenceman than Muzzin will be 2 years from now. If Muzzin ages better than expected Sandin might also fall to the same fate in 2 years, 23 years old and blocked by Muzzin. What then? I think we need more patience.
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Yeah, its a bit on the high side, though his defensive game is still pretty strong. He seems like a good leader in the dressingroom so probably a voice they want to keep around for their retool/rebuild.
Though as far as intangible go the Islanders Uncle Leo comes to an end with a couple years still left on his contract today...
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I dont really see any motivation to trade a Liljegren or Dermott right now for the Leafs.
Maybe at tdl if there's a must add asset availible it could be worth considering, but it would need to be a great player. Its a better gamble for the team to keep them and hope they can become top 4 guys still.
Maybe at tdl if there's a must add asset availible it could be worth considering, but it would need to be a great player. Its a better gamble for the team to keep them and hope they can become top 4 guys still.
BertCorbeau
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I think he was waived on the premise that they know no one will claim him, and that doing that would allow them to increase their LTIR threshold for this season. And that they expect him back on their opening night roster.
An Isles writer tweeted that.
Matt Martin's 4 year extension is official though. I get that he's a big leader in the dressing room. But I mean you need to be able to play, he's almost like deadweight. Giving a 4 year term, let along $1.5 mill in AAV is mind boggling.
It's strange because Lou does have a rep of being a tough negotiator. But he gives these blue collar intangible guys well beyond their market value.
Ya the Muzzin signing threw a wrench in the leafs plans but I think he made himself indispensable so it forced managements hand.
Personally I don't think Dermott will surpass Muzzin that quickly. Muzzin faces very tough usage while Dermott has yet to prove himself on anything but butter soft competition. Even if he does surpass muzzin that quick it will have been 2 more years blocked for Sandin and hopefully dermott is willing to take another short term cheap deal next summer. Definitely a tricky situation for Sandin too but I think he has a much higher ceiling than Dermott.
I think in 2 years Sandin will be far better than Dermott is in 2 years also. Sandin thinks the game very fast, dermott does not. He has a tendency to go deers in the headlights and/or over think things and make a bad pass. He definitely has all the tools but I think doesnt have a toolbox for lack of a better phrase. I think it explains why he tends to struggle when moved up in the lineup.
I would like to keep Dermott and think he is a good player. However I think he will end up as 2nd pair guy (eventually) on another team. I also think Brodie made the expansion draft more complicated so Dermott leaving may also help that.
Again this is all if he can't play the right side.
BertCorbeau
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Evidently they have a ton of cap space so it isn't as bad too. Definitely high when you consider guys like Hoffman got 4
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Don't forget Goalie's too. The two most critical positions and I'm sure we rank almost last.
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Going to put this in 3 places
Tavares was asked on Tim and Sid today about who stuck out the most to him in camp, and he said Liljegren. He was talking to a few teammates about him.
He had a ton of praise for him. Talked about his maturity and gowth not just this camp but also the previous season, and that he may not jump off the page at what he does, but his assertiveness and the strides he took last season.
Tavares was asked on Tim and Sid today about who stuck out the most to him in camp, and he said Liljegren. He was talking to a few teammates about him.
He had a ton of praise for him. Talked about his maturity and gowth not just this camp but also the previous season, and that he may not jump off the page at what he does, but his assertiveness and the strides he took last season.
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Would you make a trade for Logan Brown?
No, because they'd ask for way too much for him and would not trade him here.
He's a fine player, but I think he only has bottom 6 upside.
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It's interesting, because a lot of Senators fans are thinking, that the best they'll get is a second...
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That’s a bit insulting to them I’d say. We certainly would be able to offer up more than that. They need help on D, so let’s add a NHL D man to that trade. 4th + Marincin.
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I mean, it works for me. I'm just pretty sure some team would look at his size & AHL production and pay more.
Never been overly impressed with him. Could be a nice risk, but meh.
BertCorbeau
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I'd be interested because of the organization's meh centre depth at the prospect ranks. He could slot in nicely in the bottom six and be developed slowly, and hopefully into a good #3C.
That being said I wouldn't pay much for him. I also don't believe he holds the value Ottawa sees with him.
That being said I wouldn't pay much for him. I also don't believe he holds the value Ottawa sees with him.
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Even a 2nd is probably not ridiculous considering what Lias Andersson just received, and I would bet on Logan Brown long before I would Andersson.
We can give them an actual prospect. We could start with a guy like Rasanen or Greenway + 4th and I would go as far as also adding an SDA or Korshkov to that as well. I sincerely doubt they give up on him right now though, since he is waiver ineligible for another year.
Not sure I would give them a 2nd though. If another team is willing to do that, or they would rather just keep him, then I would just pass. I would say SDA/Korshkov + Greenway/Rasanen + 4th is as high as I would go for him.
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