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Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25

MK9 said:
Guess I'm not sure why you'd think he'd be willing to come here. I think they'd have to significantly overpay him to come play in Minnesota. I don't believe this state or the team are what big name free agents are considering otherwise. Is he a very good player? yeah I'd say so, but I can't imagine having to commit the kind of money it would take to get the guy to sign in this market. Of the 32 teams in the league, I'd be willing to hazard a guess that the Wild are not in the top 20 for player preference. Not because the market itself sucks, but the Wild are a constantly middling team. The state taxes are high. He'd be coming from Toronto. So, the cold probably isn't that big a deal, but if he had the chance, I just have very little doubt he'd take slightly less to play in Florida, Vegas, Dallas, etc. or even one of the other cooler weather states that has more of a winning culture. They'd likely have to make him one of the top 10 highest paid to get him to sign in Minnesota. Do I think he's worth that? Nah. But, that's what I think it could take to get him here.
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Eventually even these teams are going run out of room.
 
MK9 said:
I hate the 'one of us' thing. I don't care if the person is from Uganda. Just get the best available. Unfortunately, I think that's somewhat how the Wild have to play it. I mean sure, if they can build a winning culture here where they're making deep runs or even win a cup, then it's probably not as much something they need to do in the future. As of right now, IMO, might be what they have to do.
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I think you need to play the hand you're dealt. The home draw is real for some players. If they take a discount/fair rate and fill a need then use it to your advantage.

I think MN is probably middle of the pack for desirability of where to play. They aren't bottom feeders, they aren't Canada tax rate, a good hockey market from youth to pro, and it's not Columbus.
 
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Wabit said:
I think you need to play the hand you're dealt. The home draw is real for some players. If they take a discount/fair rate and fill a need then use it to your advantage.

I think MN is probably middle of the pack for desirability of where to play. They aren't bottom feeders, they aren't Canada tax rate, a good hockey market from youth to pro, and it's not Columbus.
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That's my read on this market, also. A lot of Canadians really like Minnesota. The hunting and fishing crowd like it, as do the family men. Northern Euros are comfortable here. Guys with model/entertainment WAGS would prefer bigger cities on the coasts, maybe CHI.

Of course, there are always Canadians who are sick and tired of cold weather, and dream of Christmas on the beach.
 
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Curious who the best forward we could get would be for a package of Chisholm, Öhgren and a 2nd this summer.

I know Peterka has been talked about as a target but Buffalo wouldn't want Chisholm, is there anyone we could reasonably replace him with to get it done?

If not, who else is out there?
 
AKL said:
Curious who the best forward we could get would be for a package of Chisholm, Öhgren and a 2nd this summer.

I know Peterka has been talked about as a target but Buffalo wouldn't want Chisholm, is there anyone we could reasonably replace him with to get it done?

If not, who else is out there?
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I think roughly the same player that we could get with Ohgren and a 2nd.

I'll toss out Teuvo Teravainen.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I think roughly the same player that we could get with Ohgren and a 2nd.

I'll toss out Teuvo Teravainen.
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Probably. Thinking if we target a lower end team who's looking to fill out their depth or maybe some kind of retool, they might value Chisholm a bit more. Obviously a contending team isn't gonna care.

For instance, the Bruins. Could we get Pavel Zacha? Do we want to? Had 57 and 59 points the previous two seasons. Down year this year but all the Bruins are. 28, so not exactly old. Still has two seasons left at 4.75M.

Or maybe a Jared McCann or Oliver Bjorkstrand from Seattle.

Not sure, just a couple ideas. I like the Teravainen idea too but my preference would be to see if we can get a guy around that 28 or younger age.
 
I think the only guarantees in life are death, taxes, and Chisholm's rights are traded this summer. I only hope Guerin can find someone who would value him to some degree, even if it's just a 6th round pick, rather than dumping him just for the sake of dumping him.
 
Wabit said:
I think you need to play the hand you're dealt. The home draw is real for some players. If they take a discount/fair rate and fill a need then use it to your advantage.

I think MN is probably middle of the pack for desirability of where to play. They aren't bottom feeders, they aren't Canada tax rate, a good hockey market from youth to pro, and it's not Columbus.
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Just sayin'. Columbus has some drawbacks but with the talent they're amassing, the future is looking much better.

To me, the clear-cut worst cities in the NHL for living would be Winnipeg or Edmonton... but those teams have something the Wild don't: the chance to win a Stanley Cup.

Thus, hard to attract free agents unless they're looking for a place to sign for multiple years at a rich rate based on past performance and are named Brock.
 
Saga of the Elk said:

Just sayin'. Columbus has some drawbacks but with the talent they're amassing, the future is looking much better.

To me, the clear-cut worst cities in the NHL for living would be Winnipeg or Edmonton... but those teams have something the Wild don't: the chance to win a Stanley Cup.

Thus, hard to attract free agents unless they're looking for a place to sign for multiple years at a rich rate based on past performance and are named Brock.
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CBJ (historically) has trouble keeping talent. They'll draft it and trade for it, but they can't sign/re-sign many UFAs.

MN has no major selling points, but no real drawbacks either. It's just mid.
 
AKL said:
I think the only guarantees in life are death, taxes, and Chisholm's rights are traded this summer. I only hope Guerin can find someone who would value him to some degree, even if it's just a 6th round pick, rather than dumping him just for the sake of dumping him.
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I Guerin manages to turn Lauko , Maret , Chisholm and a 6th …..into Brazeau and a 6th I think that’s basically fireable
 
f7ben said:
I Guerin manages to turn Lauko , Maret , Chisholm and a 6th …..into Brazeau and a 6th I think that’s basically fireable
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Fingers crossed he turns Lauko, Marat, Chisholm and a 6th into just a 6th. I don't want anything to do with giving Brazeau an extension.
 
AKL said:
Fingers crossed he turns Lauko, Marat, Chisholm and a 6th into just a 6th. I don't want anything to do with giving Brazeau an extension.
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Well we had to suffer watching Brazeau for some period of time so he should count , what an absolute pylon.
Dr Jan Itor said:
Nobody gets fired over bottom of the roster moves.
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When they are as insanely bad as what I listed maybe it should go to character. It establishes some level of inability to fairly gauge asset value both in terms of on ice ability and what others may be willing to pay.

Brazeau had zero or negative value. There isn’t a single other GM in the league that would have paid anything for him. He is a C tier AHL player who has zero positive attributes and almost entirely negative attributes. I cannot consider size devoid of even a shred of hockey talent as an attribute.

Maret may not have had any value but I’m guessing based on his speed alone we could have gotten something like a 5th for him. Lauko feels like he could have gotten the same. Obviously the 6th is worth a 6th.

Chisholm at times has been a player I felt was worth a 2nd although he has played poorly lately.

It’s just such idiotic ridiculous poor management that I can’t let it go
 
Wabit said:
CBJ (historically) has trouble keeping talent. They'll draft it and trade for it, but they can't sign/re-sign many UFAs.

MN has no major selling points, but no real drawbacks either. It's just mid.
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I think it’s very appealing for veterans with kids. Our youth hockey setup is by far the most family-friendly in the U.S.
 
f7ben said:
When they are as insanely bad as what I listed maybe it should go to character. It establishes some level of inability to fairly gauge asset value both in terms of on ice ability and what others may be willing to pay.

Brazeau had zero or negative value. There isn’t a single other GM in the league that would have paid anything for him. He is a C tier AHL player who has zero positive attributes and almost entirely negative attributes. I cannot consider size devoid of even a shred of hockey talent as an attribute.

Maret may not have had any value but I’m guessing based on his speed alone we could have gotten something like a 5th for him. Lauko feels like he could have gotten the same. Obviously the 6th is worth a 6th.

Chisholm at times has been a player I felt was worth a 2nd although he has played poorly lately.

It’s just such idiotic ridiculous poor management that I can’t let it go
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I'm not saying it was a good move. I'm just saying that's not what moves the firing needle.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
Guerin is going to stay or be fired based on his ability to extend Kaprizov.
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Kap choosing to extend or not is going to be based off what Billy’s vision was for a team assembled around him in his prime years. That is so far and seemingly in the immediate future a 100% abject failure on a level inconceivable just 24 months ago.

If Kap leaving rids us of the Guerin era it’s probably worth it.
 
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