Trade and Free Agency - 2024-25

[Dr Jan Itor]

Saving $800k per player on half the roster (11-12 players) would create $8.8-9.6M in cap space.

Can I end this by saying that I'd love it if Rossi signed for 8 x $3M?

Of course I'd like every player at a lower number. I'd love it Kaprizov re-signed for $12M and not $14M. I'm also just trying to think objectively, and we have to understand that there isn't anything special about us. We aren't warm weather, we're not favorable taxes, and we're not perennial contenders. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi wanted to stay here, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't give a f*** if he was traded.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Can I end this by saying that I'd love it if Rossi signed for 8 x $3M?

Of course I'd like every player at a lower number. I'd love it Kaprizov re-signed for $12M and not $14M. I'm also just trying to think objectively, and we have to understand that there isn't anything special about us. We aren't warm weather, we're not favorable taxes, and we're not perennial contenders. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi wanted to stay here, and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't give a f*** if he was traded.

I think you've lost the plot with this hyperbole.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think you've lost the plot with this hyperbole.

I'm pretty sure the plot never really existed in the first place.

 

[Luceni]

Lets just say Rossi is a bust with no size and Guerin handled the Situation appropriate. Everyone is happy.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

8 x $7.9M
7 x $7.4M (behind Boldy factoring in the cap increase, which does actually exist)
6 x $6.9M
5 x $6.4M ($2M behind Wyatt Johnston)
4 x $5.9M
3 x $5.4M (pretty close to what I've seen others toss around as a bridge for Knies)
2 x $4.9M
1 x $4.4M

Pick your favorite.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I'm pretty sure the plot never really existed in the first place.

The plot that the Wild organization doesn't think that Rossi should be paid higher than Boldy. Something that has been mentioned several times by Russo. That plot doesn't exist? Sure.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The plot that the Wild organization doesn't think that Rossi should be paid higher than Boldy. Something that has been mentioned several times by Russo. That plot doesn't exist? Sure.

That same plot doesn't believe in inflation, so it exists, but it exists incorrectly.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

That same plot doesn't believe in inflation, so it exists, but it exists incorrectly.

Which is a ridiculous way of looking at things. A player should be paid based on their value and what they bring to the table, not based on what the cap ceiling is.

Tell me why Rossi is worth $7.8M in your eyes.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Lets just say Rossi is a bust with no size and Guerin handled the Situation appropriate. Everyone is happy.

I want Rossi back, but I also want Guerin to stop overpaying players.

 

[Wabit]

8 x $7.9M
7 x $7.4M (behind Boldy factoring in the cap increase, which does actually exist)
6 x $6.9M
5 x $6.4M ($2M behind Wyatt Johnston)
4 x $5.9M
3 x $5.4M (pretty close to what I've seen others toss around as a bridge for Knies)
2 x $4.9M
1 x $4.4M

Pick your favorite.

Without remembering the QO raises per contract, I'm thinking 2 x $5m. I just don't currently see him as a long term commitment player.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Which is a ridiculous way of looking at things. A player should be paid based on their value and what they bring to the table, not based on what the cap ceiling is.

And how does one determine what that value is, in contract dollars? Might it be a comparison of that amount to the total allotted amount available to spend? Or is Rossi worth $7M on $50M and $150M salary caps as well?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tell me why Rossi is worth $7.8M in your eyes.

Rossi is "worth" $7.8M because buying additional years of service costs money.

It is why Kaprizov signed for 5 x $9M and not 8 x $9M. We could only afford $9M, and years 6-8 would've increased the price.

 

[Wabit]

Rossi is "worth" $7.8M because buying additional years of service costs money.

It is why Kaprizov signed for 5 x $9M and not 8 x $9M. We could only afford $9M, and years 6-8 would've increased the price.

I don't think Kap would have gone 6-8 years. It would have put him over 30 for the start of his next contract, and I think FA is a big draw for a player of his caliber.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't think Kap would have gone 6-8 years. It would have put him over 30 for the start of his next contract, and I think FA is a big draw for a player of his caliber.

There is a number where he would've.

 

[Wabit]

There is a number where he would've.

I really don't think so. I think he wants a to play for a Cup, not just get paid.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I really don't think so. I think he wants a to play for a Cup, not just get paid.

He could've made $90-$100M over 8 years, and then went Cup chasing at 31. That's still both worlds.

 

[Wabit]

He could've made $90-$100M over 8 years, and then went Cup chasing at 31. That's still both worlds.

He made ~$45m in 5 years here + ~$12m x 3 ($36m) in the same 8 years, so that is ~$80m. 3 years of playing where he wants. If it's a tax free state he doesn't lose ~10% of his paycheck to MN state taxes (simplified athlete tax, because it's a mess to go into the full thing). Other markets have bigger/better sponsorship opportunities.

I have no clue how Federal Taxes work for an athlete on a sports visa.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

And how does one determine what that value is, in contract dollars? Might it be a comparison of that amount to the total allotted amount available to spend? Or is Rossi worth $7M on $50M and $150M salary caps as well?

It is what are you willing to pay for said player. It's the whole reason Boldy is mentioned in the first place. The organization doesn't look at Rossi as being more valuable than Boldy.

If a customer service based industry that pays it's workers $20/hr goes from $200k profit to $400k profit, do you expect the workers to go from $20/hr to $40/hr?

 

[Minnewildsota]

It is what are you willing to pay for said player. It's the whole reason Boldy is mentioned in the first place. The organization doesn't look at Rossi as being more valuable than Boldy.

If a customer service based industry that pays it's workers $20/hr goes from $200k profit to $400k profit, do you expect the workers to go from $20/hr to $40/hr?

We all know it doesn’t lol

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If a customer service based industry that pays it's workers $20/hr goes from $200k profit to $400k profit, do you expect the workers to go from $20/hr to $40/hr?

Is their boss a selfish prick? Just to be clear, are you saying that Rossi is worth $7M on both a $92.5M cap and a $185M cap?

Do you actually think that I think that Rossi should get $7.9M whether he signs for 1 year, for 4 years, or for 8 years? If so, look at post #1,605, please and thank you.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Rossi is "worth" $7.8M because buying additional years of service costs money.

It is why Kaprizov signed for 5 x $9M and not 8 x $9M. We could only afford $9M, and years 6-8 would've increased the price.

If Rossi continues his recent trend of play he won't hit 60 points for the season.

Is a sub 60 point undersized center that isn't fast, isn't great at faceoffs (~48%), and is shooting a really high shooting percentage (18.3%) really worth $7.8M?

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Is their boss a selfish prick? Just to be clear, are you saying that Rossi is worth $7M on both a $92.5M cap and a $185M cap?

Do you actually think that I think that Rossi should get $7.9M whether he signs for 1 year, for 4 years, or for 8 years? If so, look at post #1,605, please and thank you.

I just don't want to hear bitching from you in the future when Rossi's contract looks like an albatross. Please and thank you.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If Rossi continues his recent trend of play he won't hit 60 points for the season.

Is a sub 60 point undersized center that isn't fast, isn't great at faceoffs (~48%), and is shooting a really high shooting percentage (18.3%) really worth $7.8M?

Currently, no, but every long-term 2nd contract is a bet on the future. The whole idea is to overpay in years 1 to maybe 3, and then underpay from then on. If you don't want to go long-term with Rossi, that's a separate issue, but the logic of coming up with that number on an 8 year deal is not flawed.

Rossi went from a 40 point rookie season, to a 50-60 point 2nd season. If you think that this is where he is stopping, then by all means, don't make the bet and bridge him (again, something I am not against). If you think he's going to continue to improve, then it's probably a bet you can make with a clear conscience.

Truthfully, I haven't decided what my #1 preference would be, but what I have been doing is trying to come up with what I think could be reasonable numbers in this situation, given all of the factors: cap increase, long-term vs. short-term contracts, roster flexibility, recent comparables, etc.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I just don't want to hear bitching from you in the future when Rossi's contract looks like an albatross. Please and thank you.

I'll reserve my right depending on where I land as to what I want them to do.

And $7.9M isn't going to be an albatross with a $114M cap ceiling, even if he doesn't improve a lick from this year.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I'll reserve my right depending on where I land as to what I want them to do.

And $7.9M isn't going to be an albatross with a $114M cap ceiling, even if he doesn't improve a lick from this year.

IF the cap gets to 114M, unless I'm mistaken, it's a projection and not set in stone. Not to be political, but the way the economy is going I would be rather surprised if it hits that mark.