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Speaking purely for myself, I like Rossi, I don’t think he’s fully formed but it’s pretty clear to see he’s not someone I view as a go-to option on this roster. He’s going to be a sound secondary option and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just think that it’s fair to question whether at his frame and position you want to commit the dollars that it’s going to take or if he’s going to leave you wanting more the minute he’s on a long term deal.

It’s extremely tiresome to come to this site and read the same histrionics from the same people about poor little Marco Rossi. Boldy is a far better player than Rossi and spends a lot of the time playing on a line other than the true superstar on this team. Hard to find the posts about how it’s just not fair the treatment Boldy is getting.

I think there is something to be said for if you want these young players to be the type of players you expect them to be, they should learn how to be the focus on a line and learn to play as the star so to speak. You are still talking about two players in Boldy and Rossi that spend an inordinate amount of time playing high level spots. Boldy has earned his keep, Rossi is getting there.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
That makes up for the lower cap then.
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It doesn’t.
Dr Jan Itor said:
I'm fine with it. I'm sure at 3 years Guerin would want less than $7M. Though maybe since he doesn't believe in cap inflation, he might not believe in that either.

Guerin doesn't need to go up to $9M, but holding at $7M doesn't seem to be too constructive either. I think you can pretty rationally get close to $8M.
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Maybe I’m weird, but I don’t view Rossi as an $8-9M level player. Cap ceiling or no cap ceiling.
BagHead said:
Maybe this is a semantics issue. I view a "deer in headlights" as meaning that a player is so thoroughly overwhelmed that they can hardly play properly, just like a deer in headlights can't act properly. I don't think that describes Rossi's play from last season (and the comment was about the season overall, not a specific part of the season). He made the all-rookie team. Must have been a prolifically terrible rookie class if one of the members looked like a deer in headlights that year. If your definition is different, then I don't know what other descriptors you use for rookies who do even just reasonably well. This is the problem with hyperbole.
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I guess I don’t view 22 point pace when playing 2C as quality play. Just a difference of opinion we have.
Playing at a 40-48 point pace next to Kaprizov isn’t exactly a glowing endorsement either.
 
Luceni said:
I love Faber but it's more likely hell freezes before people start to agree that every other player would've been criticized about his play lately compared to his cap hit. I'm not saying I want Fiala back but his performance on the ice doesn't match his paycheck at the moment. I get it, everyone loves Faber, me too, but there is no fair treatment.

Especially compared to rossi, who alwyas has been the man in the doghouse for Guerin and most posters. Rossi has to go the hard way and prove everything, including his game in playoffs like someone suggested. And even when he succeeded, there will still be people out there who say: But the size! It's a very short leash for a player who did nothing but improve the past 2 years and works his ass off even in holiday time.

How many playoff games did other young guns play (Boldy, Faber, ...) when they got their payday? Did they prove themself in playoffs? Who else is proven Playoff calibre on the Wild roster?
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I don’t think you know what Faber’s cap hit/paycheck is currently. He is absolutely outperforming his cap hit this season.
 
Luceni said:
I love Faber but it's more likely hell freezes before people start to agree that every other player would've been criticized about his play lately compared to his cap hit. I'm not saying I want Fiala back but his performance on the ice doesn't match his paycheck at the moment. I get it, everyone loves Faber, me too, but there is no fair treatment.

Especially compared to rossi, who alwyas has been the man in the doghouse for Guerin and most posters. Rossi has to go the hard way and prove everything, including his game in playoffs like someone suggested. And even when he succeeded, there will still be people out there who say: But the size! It's a very short leash for a player who did nothing but improve the past 2 years and works his ass off even in holiday time.

How many playoff games did other young guns play (Boldy, Faber, ...) when they got their payday? Did they prove themself in playoffs? Who else is proven Playoff calibre on the Wild roster?
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This is just some wild (pun intended) story that you and some other posters have fabricated.

Was he in the doghouse when he was playing with Kap pretty consistently?

I have no problems with Rossi. I just don’t think he’s a 9M player in a long term deal.

And why the f*** do I have to prove shit? People come in this board all the time with their hyperbolic bullshit and people just go with it. I do it (once?) and people jump down my throat.

But my main point is, if he’s not playing with Kap, point-wise, he barely looks like a #2 center. I would like to avoid paying a #3 center 9/yr, long term.

But but but it’s who he is playing with! Then how come Freddy G is putting up better points with “scrubs “? (Better in the sense that Freddy G is putting up more points with the same scrubs as Rossi. Not sure if I worded that correctly or clearly enough.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
But is he outperforming a $9M cap hit?
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The cap is going way up so players who were worth 7M are now worth 9M and I'd say a still improving 60-70 point center who hasn't hit his prime yet is well worth 9M.

I'd rather "overpay" Rossi about 2M than spending those extra money on bottom 6ers like Guerin does.
 
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Luceni said:
The cap is going way up so players who were worth 7M are now worth 9M and I'd say a 60-70 point center who hasn't hit his prime yet is well worth 9M.
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You really think he’s going to break 60 points this season? I’m willing to place a bet that he doesn’t.

Given his current trajectory, the last few games, he’ll be lucky if he breaks 55 points.
 
Luceni said:
The cap is going way up so players who were worth 7M are now worth 9M and I'd say a 60-70 point center who hasn't hit his prime yet is well worth 9M.
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Look at Dylan Cozens as a cautionary tale for why Rossi should not be signed long term to a huge cap hit for one solid season.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
It doesn’t.

Maybe I’m weird, but I don’t view Rossi as an $8-9M level player. Cap ceiling or no cap ceiling.

I guess I don’t view 22 point pace when playing 2C as quality play. Just a difference of opinion we have.
Playing at a 40-48 point pace next to Kaprizov isn’t exactly a glowing endorsement either.
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So his worst 26 games defines his season? Why not just follow that to its logical conclusion and pick everyone's worst stretch to define their seasons by?
 
BagHead said:
So his worst 26 games defines his season? Why not just follow that to its logical conclusion and pick everyone's worst stretch to define their seasons by?
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The statement is pertaining to Rossi looking like a deer in headlights. Did he not look like a deer in headlights for that 26 game stretch? Is 22 point pace as a 2C acceptable for you?

I acknowledged his entire season literally two sentences later...
 
If Guerin sits on 7 or 8 x $7M, then he's the asshole.

If Rossi sits on 7 or 8 x $9M, then he's the asshole.

Ultimately, I do think Rossi will buckle, either taking a bridge or the $50M guaranteed on a LT deal.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
The statement is pertaining to Rossi looking like a deer in headlights. Did he not look like a deer in headlights for that 26 game stretch? Is 22 point pace as a 2C acceptable for you?

I acknowledged his entire season literally two sentences later...
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Of course not, but that didn't mean he "looked like a deer in headlights last year". Are you trying to claim the intent is to say "...for a portion of last year"? If that's the case, I can just take anyone's worst stretch and say they "looked like a deer in headlights last year". It becomes meaningless.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
The statement is pertaining to Rossi looking like a deer in headlights. Did he not look like a deer in headlights for that 26 game stretch? Is 22 point pace as a 2C acceptable for you?

I acknowledged his entire season literally two sentences later...
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At face value, no. As a rookie playing with questionable wingers and little-to-no PP time, it doesn't look quite as bad.
 
BagHead said:
Of course not, but that didn't mean he "looked like a deer in headlights last year". Are you trying to claim the intent is to say "...for a portion of last year"? If that's the case, I can just take anyone's worst stretch and say they "looked like a deer in headlights last year". It becomes meaningless.
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I'm saying that he absolutely looked like a deer in headlights for a large chunk of that season and his numbers look tolerable due to his time next to Kaprizov.
 
DigitalBoldy said:
I'm saying that he absolutely looked like a deer in headlights for a large chunk of that season and his numbers look tolerable due to his time next to Kaprizov.
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The chunk he didn't was more than twice as large as the chunk that he did... and he still didn't even then, he just wasn't good. If everyone who plays not good for a bit is playing like a deer in headlights... well, then I don't know how to describe a player who doesn't belong in the NHL at all.
 
BagHead said:
The chunk he didn't was more than twice as large as the chunk that he did... and he still didn't even then, he just wasn't good. If everyone who plays not good for a bit is playing like a deer in headlights... well, then I don't know how to describe a player who doesn't belong in the NHL at all.
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I can't help you if you refuse to acknowledge my addressing the 56 game portion of the season.
 
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