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Blues clinch a playoff spot tonight if Arizona loses at home to Chicago.
Go Coyotes.
Go Coyotes.
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AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 5 [3 home, 2 away]
Current Points: 90
Current Position: 3rd, Central
Magic Number to Clinch 3rd in Central: 7 [6 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
3/30 - at New Jersey [29-40-9, 15th in Eastern Conference, 4-6-0 in last 10]
4/1 - vs. Colorado [36-29-13, 2WC in Western Conference, 7-2-1 in last 10]
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-10, 11th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-33-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 4-6-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [33-35-10, 13th in Western Conference, 5-4-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- With Arizona's loss to Colorado, the Blues clinch a playoff spot.
-- We sit 2 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H].
-- We sit 4 back of Nashville with a game in hand, so the Predators are still potentially catchable. However, 3-1-1 in our last 5 probably isn't enough to get there, since Nashville still has @BUF and VAN on the remaining schedule,
-- We sit 4 back of Winnipeg; the Jets are catchable only if we close strong and they play crappy. The Jets magic number to clinch the division is 6, whether referencing us or Nashville.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 2.
* The magic number for Chicago to be eliminated is 3.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 5.
* Colorado can't finish any higher than 3rd in the Central. Their magic number to clinch is 5 [presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head]
* Otherwise, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis and Dallas can all finish anywhere between 1st and 1WC.
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* The magic number for Calgary to clinch the division is 2, and the Flames can't finish lower than 2nd. [Their magic number to clinch home ice advantage in the West is 1.]
* The magic number for San Jose's to clinch at least 2nd is 3; they can clinch 2nd win a win over Vegas on 3/30. The Sharks can't finish lower than 3rd.
* Vegas can only finish 2nd or 3rd.
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton's magic number for elimination is 2.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 5. [See above note]
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
Games Remaining: 5 [3 home, 2 away]
Current Points: 90
Current Position: 3rd, Central
Magic Number to Clinch 3rd in Central: 7 [6 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
3/30 - at New Jersey [29-40-9, 15th in Eastern Conference, 4-6-0 in last 10]
4/1 - vs. Colorado [36-29-13, 2WC in Western Conference, 7-2-1 in last 10]
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-10, 11th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-33-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 4-6-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [33-35-10, 13th in Western Conference, 5-4-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- With Arizona's loss to Colorado, the Blues clinch a playoff spot.
-- We sit 2 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H].
-- We sit 4 back of Nashville with a game in hand, so the Predators are still potentially catchable. However, 3-1-1 in our last 5 probably isn't enough to get there, since Nashville still has @BUF and VAN on the remaining schedule,
-- We sit 4 back of Winnipeg; the Jets are catchable only if we close strong and they play crappy. The Jets magic number to clinch the division is 6, whether referencing us or Nashville.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 2.
* The magic number for Chicago to be eliminated is 3.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 5.
* Colorado can't finish any higher than 3rd in the Central. Their magic number to clinch is 5 [presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head]
* Otherwise, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis and Dallas can all finish anywhere between 1st and 1WC.
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* The magic number for Calgary to clinch the division is 2, and the Flames can't finish lower than 2nd. [Their magic number to clinch home ice advantage in the West is 1.]
* The magic number for San Jose's to clinch at least 2nd is 3; they can clinch 2nd win a win over Vegas on 3/30. The Sharks can't finish lower than 3rd.
* Vegas can only finish 2nd or 3rd.
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton's magic number for elimination is 2.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 5. [See above note]
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
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AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 4 [3 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 92
Current Position: 3rd, Central
Magic Number to Clinch 3rd in Central: 4 [3 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/1 - vs. Colorado [36-29-13, 2WC in Western Conference, 7-2-1 in last 10]
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-11, 11th in Western Conference, 5-3-2 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- We currently sit 4 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H]. Dallas plays at Edmonton tonight; this will be updated after that game ends.
-- Assuming Nashville goes on to lose tonight to Columbus [they did], we sit 2 back of Nashville with a game in hand and now with the advantage on ROWs.
-- With the Jets loss to Montreal tonight, we sit 2 back of Winnipeg; however, Winnipeg leads on ROWs 43-41 and in a tie point scenario probably still leads us. [If tied on points and ROWs, the Jets win the head-to-head tiebreak.] The Jets magic number to clinch the division is 6, whether referencing us or Nashville.
-- All information should be updated as of 4:30pm on Sunday, 3/31.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 1 after the Stars get an OTL in Vancouver.
* The magic number for Chicago to be eliminated is 2 after their OT loss to Los Angeles.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 3 after their loss to Arizona, but the Wild need serious help at this point.
* Colorado can't finish any higher than 3rd in the Central. [Any OTL by the Blues or non-win by the Avalanche eliminates them from being able to finish top-3.] Their magic number to clinch is 5 [presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head]
* Otherwise, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis and Dallas can all finish anywhere between 1st and 1WC. [Dallas is eliminated from the top-2 spots by any non-win, or a combination of other scenarios that I won't get into because it's long.]
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* Calgary clinches the Pacific Division title with their win over San Jose on 3/31.
* That loss to Calgary locks San Jose into 2nd.
* Vegas is locked into 3rd.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 5. [See above note]
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton is eliminated after Saturday's loss to Anaheim. [They are technically still alive if they win out in regulation/OT and Colorado loses out in regulation, and a lot of other stuff happens ... but in reality, they're done.]
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
Games Remaining: 4 [3 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 92
Current Position: 3rd, Central
Magic Number to Clinch 3rd in Central: 4 [3 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/1 - vs. Colorado [36-29-13, 2WC in Western Conference, 7-2-1 in last 10]
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-11, 11th in Western Conference, 5-3-2 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- We currently sit 4 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H]. Dallas plays at Edmonton tonight; this will be updated after that game ends.
-- Assuming Nashville goes on to lose tonight to Columbus [they did], we sit 2 back of Nashville with a game in hand and now with the advantage on ROWs.
-- With the Jets loss to Montreal tonight, we sit 2 back of Winnipeg; however, Winnipeg leads on ROWs 43-41 and in a tie point scenario probably still leads us. [If tied on points and ROWs, the Jets win the head-to-head tiebreak.] The Jets magic number to clinch the division is 6, whether referencing us or Nashville.
-- All information should be updated as of 4:30pm on Sunday, 3/31.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 1 after the Stars get an OTL in Vancouver.
* The magic number for Chicago to be eliminated is 2 after their OT loss to Los Angeles.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 3 after their loss to Arizona, but the Wild need serious help at this point.
* Colorado can't finish any higher than 3rd in the Central. [Any OTL by the Blues or non-win by the Avalanche eliminates them from being able to finish top-3.] Their magic number to clinch is 5 [presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head]
* Otherwise, Winnipeg, Nashville, St. Louis and Dallas can all finish anywhere between 1st and 1WC. [Dallas is eliminated from the top-2 spots by any non-win, or a combination of other scenarios that I won't get into because it's long.]
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* Calgary clinches the Pacific Division title with their win over San Jose on 3/31.
* That loss to Calgary locks San Jose into 2nd.
* Vegas is locked into 3rd.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 5. [See above note]
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton is eliminated after Saturday's loss to Anaheim. [They are technically still alive if they win out in regulation/OT and Colorado loses out in regulation, and a lot of other stuff happens ... but in reality, they're done.]
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
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Ted Hoffman
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Going to add this: there is a very narrow path for there to be a 5-way tie on points for the 2WC spot between Colorado, Arizona, Minnesota, Chicago, and Edmonton. In that instance, Arizona and Colorado would fall out with fewer ROWs than Minnesota, but it's possible that Chicago and Edmonton pull even on ROWs with Minnesota at 35. If they did, we'd go to "highest point percentage in games involving those teams" and you'd have Chicago with 10 out of 12, Edmonton with 6 out of 8, and Minnesota with 3 out of 12. That would put Chicago into the playoffs. [The Blues would finish 2nd in the Central in this scenario.]
I might be kind of hoping for this a little bit, if only for the "this would be totally bizarre" aspect of it.
I might be kind of hoping for this a little bit, if only for the "this would be totally bizarre" aspect of it.
trevorftw
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I was wondering something, and this might be the place to get answers on more confusing aspects of NHL standings. If 3 teams tie on points and ROW, but each has a h2h record win over another one of the tied teams, how does a situation like this get sorted.
If the blues, jets and preds all finished with the same points and ROW, and then the blues won h2h with the preds, preds won h2h with the jets, and jets won h2h with the blues... Do you just jump to the next category for all 3 teams?
If the blues, jets and preds all finished with the same points and ROW, and then the blues won h2h with the preds, preds won h2h with the jets, and jets won h2h with the blues... Do you just jump to the next category for all 3 teams?
JoshFromMO
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I think it would be ordered by goal differential. If they all had the same then I have no idea
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Say that H2H is as you described but the Blues got 5 of a possible 8 points vs. Nashville who got 4/8, the Predators got 6 of 8 vs. Winnipeg who got 3/8, and the Jets got 7/8 vs. us who got 2/8 (dropping the 1st extra game played somewhere, because in this instance they played each other 5 times). Then, the Jets and Predators would have 10 of the possible 16 points (.625), the Blues would only have 7 of the possible 16 (.438) and the Blues would drop.
That leaves Nashville and Winnipeg, and you would go back to H2H between those two teams. Nashville won that and would win the tiebreak. So, they would order as Nashville, Winnipeg, St. Louis.
If point% were the same for all 3 teams, then you go to overall goal differential. Once a team falls out, start going through tiebreaks with the remaining teams.
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AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 3 [2 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 94
Current Position: 2nd, Central [tied on points with Nashville, ahead on ROWs 41-40]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 2 [1 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-12, 11th in Western Conference, 4-3-3 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- As noted, we're up on Nashville by virtue of ROWs. Both teams have 3 games to play.
-- We currently sit 5 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H].
-- We sit 2 back of Winnipeg, who leads us on ROWs 44-41 and thus guarantees on a tie in points they will win a tiebreak over us. [If we manage to get even on ROWs and points, the Jets win the H2H tiebreak.] Therefore, if we're going to finish ahead of the Jets we have to beat them on points outright.
-- With the win over Colorado, we cannot finish any lower than 1WC.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* Winnipeg clinches a top-3 finish with the OT win over Chicago. [The Jets are guaranteed to beat Dallas on ROWs in the event of a tie on points.]
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 1.
* Colorado can now only be a wild card team, so either 1WC or 2WC or out completely. Their magic number to clinch is 4, presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head. Colorado can clinch a playoff spot and eliminate both Minnesota and Chicago with a win Tuesday over Edmonton.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 2.
* Chicago's magic number for elimination is down to 1 with the OTL against Winnipeg.
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* Calgary is locked into 1st, San Jose is locked into 2nd, Vegas is locked into 3rd.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 4. [See above note on Colorado]
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton is eliminated with Colorado's OTL.
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) St. Louis vs. (3C) Nashville
Games Remaining: 3 [2 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 94
Current Position: 2nd, Central [tied on points with Nashville, ahead on ROWs 41-40]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 2 [1 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-12, 11th in Western Conference, 4-3-3 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Notes
-- As noted, we're up on Nashville by virtue of ROWs. Both teams have 3 games to play.
-- We currently sit 5 points up on Dallas for 3rd in the Central. On tiebreaks, we are currently tied; we would definitely lose the 2nd tiebreak [H2H].
-- We sit 2 back of Winnipeg, who leads us on ROWs 44-41 and thus guarantees on a tie in points they will win a tiebreak over us. [If we manage to get even on ROWs and points, the Jets win the H2H tiebreak.] Therefore, if we're going to finish ahead of the Jets we have to beat them on points outright.
-- With the win over Colorado, we cannot finish any lower than 1WC.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
* Winnipeg clinches a top-3 finish with the OT win over Chicago. [The Jets are guaranteed to beat Dallas on ROWs in the event of a tie on points.]
* The magic number for Dallas to clinch a playoff spot is 1.
* Colorado can now only be a wild card team, so either 1WC or 2WC or out completely. Their magic number to clinch is 4, presuming they lead Arizona on ROWs; in a tie on points and ROWs, the Coyotes hold the tiebreak on head-to-head. Colorado can clinch a playoff spot and eliminate both Minnesota and Chicago with a win Tuesday over Edmonton.
* The magic number for Minnesota to be eliminated is 2.
* Chicago's magic number for elimination is down to 1 with the OTL against Winnipeg.
Playoff Outlook - Pacific Division
* Calgary is locked into 1st, San Jose is locked into 2nd, Vegas is locked into 3rd.
* Arizona's magic number for elimination is 4. [See above note on Colorado]
* Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
* Edmonton is eliminated with Colorado's OTL.
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) St. Louis vs. (3C) Nashville
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I don't really care who we play round 1. I think we can beat any team in the West. I'd order them like this:
I'd prefer not to:
Flames
Knights
Would be close:
Jets
Sharks
Pretty confident:
Stars
Predators
Very confident:
Avalanche
Coyotes
Ideally we get home ice for at least the first 2 rounds, so I'm all for passing Winnipeg and drawing Dallas. Let Nashville and Winnipeg get their rematch out of the way. We'll take whoever limps out of that.
I'd prefer not to:
Flames
Knights
Would be close:
Jets
Sharks
Pretty confident:
Stars
Predators
Very confident:
Avalanche
Coyotes
Ideally we get home ice for at least the first 2 rounds, so I'm all for passing Winnipeg and drawing Dallas. Let Nashville and Winnipeg get their rematch out of the way. We'll take whoever limps out of that.
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Off-day update. It'll probably be a daily update from here on out.
AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 3 [2 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 94
Current Position: 3rd, Central [2 points back of Nashville, but with a game in hand]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 2 [1 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-12, 11th in Western Conference, 4-3-3 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
Since there's a decent chance positions come down to tiebreaks, here's how things shake out.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
Winnipeg - 4/4 at Colorado, 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/4 vs. Vancouver, 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/3 at Chicago, 4/4 vs. Philadelphia, 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/5 at Chicago, 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/4 vs. Winnipeg, 4/6 at San Jose
Arizona - 4/4 at Vegas, 4/6 vs. Winnipeg
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 3 [2 home, 1 away]
Current Points: 94
Current Position: 3rd, Central [2 points back of Nashville, but with a game in hand]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 2 [1 if we lead Dallas on ROWs]
Remaining Schedule
4/3 - at Chicago [34-33-12, 11th in Western Conference, 4-3-3 in last 10]
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
Since there's a decent chance positions come down to tiebreaks, here's how things shake out.
- Winnipeg is guaranteed to win any ROW tiebreak over Nashville 44-41, since Nashville only has 2 games remaining. The Predators must absolutely beat the Jets on points to finish ahead of Winnipeg.
- Winnipeg at the very worst would be tied with St. Louis on ROWs 44-41, but holds the head-to-head tiebreak. The Blues must absolutely beat the Jets on points to finish ahead of Winnipeg.
- St. Louis and Nashville are currently tied on ROWs; if tied on points and ROWs, St. Louis holds the head-to-head tiebreak on Nashville.
- Dallas also has 41 ROWs and still could conceivably tie the Blues in points. In that instance, in a tie on ROWs as well Dallas holds the head-to-head tiebreak over St. Louis.
- Dallas is guaranteed to win a ROW tiebreak on Colorado if both teams are tied in points.
- If Colorado and Arizona are tied on points and ROWs, Arizona would win the head-to-head tiebreak.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
- Winnipeg and Nashville cannot finish lower than 3rd.
- St. Louis is guaranteed to finish no lower than 3rd with any win or OTL, or any Dallas non-win.
- Dallas clinches a playoff spot with their win tonight over Philadelphia. The Stars clinch at least the 1WC spot with any win or OTL, or any Colorado non-win.
- Colorado clinches a playoff spot with any win or OTL, or any non-win by Arizona. The Avalanche can only be a wild card team if they make the playoffs.
- Minnesota and Chicago are both eliminated with Colorado's win over Edmonton.
- Calgary is locked into 1st, San Jose is locked into 2nd, Vegas is locked into 3rd.
- Arizona's magic number for elimination is 1. [See above note on Colorado] The Coyotes can only be the 2WC if they qualify, and can only make the playoffs by winning both remaining games and Colorado losing both remaining games in regulation.
- Edmonton, Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
Winnipeg - 4/4 at Colorado, 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/4 vs. Vancouver, 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/3 at Chicago, 4/4 vs. Philadelphia, 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/5 at Chicago, 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/4 vs. Winnipeg, 4/6 at San Jose
Arizona - 4/4 at Vegas, 4/6 vs. Winnipeg
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
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I would like to see the unlikely scenario where COL continues their hot streak and beats both WIN and SJ in their final games while DAL loses both of their games in regulation (CHI and MIN enacting rivalry vengeance), and then we end up with CAL facing DAL, we take 1st and face COL, and then WIN and NAS hack it out in the 1st round.
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Other than selfishly hoping I can catch a couple Blues playoff games in Denver, I'm not super wild about facing COL in the 1st round. We've gone to OT against them in 3 of 4 games and Grubauer is giving them really good goaltending lately. I have been high on him for a couple years now. I don't think he can stay hot for a 4 round run, but I think he could stay hot for the 1st round of the playoffs.
Colorado is as hot/cold of a team as there is in the NHL and as we saw Monday, that can shift from period to period. When they are clicking, that 1st line is a nightmare to contain. The Blues weren't turtling on Monday, they were hanging on for dear life. I'll take a Dallas series where we dictate play and it comes down to goaltending over the back-and-forth fire sale style Colorado will try to drag us into.
I honestly prefer flying under the radar. I would rather be the underdog. The Nashville/Subban story is still very much alive in the media. If we get home ice and lose to them, especially after beating them 4 times this season, the "Nashville as underdog" narrative will be insufferable! I am happy just to be in the playoffs.
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AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 2 [2 home, 0 away]
Current Points: 95
Current Position: 3rd, Central [1 point back of Nashville, GP are even]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 1 [tied with Dallas on ROWs; if they catch us they'll be ahead, so we must lead in points outright]
Remaining Schedule
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
Since there's a decent chance positions come down to tiebreaks, here's how things shake out.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
Winnipeg - 4/4 at Colorado, 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/4 vs. Vancouver, 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/4 vs. Philadelphia, 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/5 at Chicago, 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/4 vs. Winnipeg, 4/6 at San Jose
Arizona - 4/4 at Vegas, 4/6 vs. Winnipeg
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
Games Remaining: 2 [2 home, 0 away]
Current Points: 95
Current Position: 3rd, Central [1 point back of Nashville, GP are even]
Magic Number to Clinch at least 3rd in Central: 1 [tied with Dallas on ROWs; if they catch us they'll be ahead, so we must lead in points outright]
Remaining Schedule
4/4 - vs. Philadelphia [37-34-8, 10th in Eastern Conference, 3-7-0 in last 10]
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [34-35-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-3-1 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
Since there's a decent chance positions come down to tiebreaks, here's how things shake out.
- Winnipeg is guaranteed to win any ROW tiebreak over Nashville and St. Louis. The Predators and Blues must absolutely beat the Jets on points to finish ahead of Winnipeg.
- St. Louis and Nashville are currently tied on ROWs; if tied on points and ROWs, St. Louis holds the head-to-head tiebreak on Nashville.
- Dallas also has 41 ROWs and still could conceivably tie the Blues in points without adding a ROW by winning both remaining games in the shootout. In that instance, in a tie on points and ROWs Dallas holds the head-to-head tiebreak over St. Louis.
- Dallas is guaranteed to win a ROW tiebreak on Colorado if both teams are tied in points.
- If Colorado and Arizona are tied on points and ROWs, Arizona would win the head-to-head tiebreak.
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
- Winnipeg and Nashville cannot finish lower than 3rd.
- St. Louis is guaranteed to finish no lower than 3rd with any win or OTL, or any Dallas non-win.
- Dallas can clinch at least the 1WC spot with any win or OTL, or any Colorado non-win.
- Colorado clinches a playoff spot with any win or OTL, or any non-win by Arizona. The Avalanche can only be a wild card team if they make the playoffs.
- Minnesota and Chicago are both eliminated.
- Calgary is locked into 1st, San Jose is locked into 2nd, Vegas is locked into 3rd.
- Arizona's magic number for elimination is 1. [See above note on Colorado] The Coyotes can only be the 2WC if they qualify, and can only make the playoffs by winning both remaining games and Colorado losing both remaining games in regulation.
- Edmonton, Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
Winnipeg - 4/4 at Colorado, 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/4 vs. Vancouver, 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/4 vs. Philadelphia, 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/5 at Chicago, 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/4 vs. Winnipeg, 4/6 at San Jose
Arizona - 4/4 at Vegas, 4/6 vs. Winnipeg
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Winnipeg vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Nashville vs. (3C) St. Louis
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AS OF MARCH 30, THE BLUES HAVE CLINCHED A PLAYOFF SPOT
Games Remaining: 1
Current Points: 97
Current Position: 3rd, Central [1 point back of Nashville, GP are even]
With the win over Philadelphia, the Blues are guaranteed at least 3rd place in the Central.
Remaining Schedule
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [35-36-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-4-0 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
This could still come down to tiebreaks, so here they are:
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
Winnipeg - 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/6 at San Jose
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Nashville vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Winnipeg vs. (3C) St. Louis
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Games Remaining: 1
Current Points: 97
Current Position: 3rd, Central [1 point back of Nashville, GP are even]
With the win over Philadelphia, the Blues are guaranteed at least 3rd place in the Central.
Remaining Schedule
4/6 - vs. Vancouver [35-36-10, 12th in Western Conference, 6-4-0 in last 10]
Tiebreak scenarios
This could still come down to tiebreaks, so here they are:
- If all 3 teams end up tied on points, Winnipeg wins the 1st tiebreak [ROWs] and then St. Louis beats Nashville on head-to-head.
- Winnipeg is guaranteed to win any ROW tiebreak over Nashville and St. Louis. The Predators and Blues must absolutely beat the Jets on points to finish ahead of Winnipeg.
- St. Louis and Nashville are currently tied on ROWs; if tied on points, St. Louis will at least be tied on ROWs and win the head-to-head tiebreak. The Predators must absolutely beat the Blues on points to finish ahead of St. Louis.
- Dallas is guaranteed to win a ROW tiebreak on Colorado if both teams are tied in points
Playoff Outlook - Central Division
- What can happen for 1st-3rd? There will be a spoiler below; see there.
- Dallas can clinch the 1WC spot with any win or OTL, or any Colorado non-win.
- Colorado clinches a playoff spot by getting to OT vs. Winnipeg. The Avalanche can only be either 1WC or 2WC.
- Minnesota and Chicago are both eliminated.
- Calgary is locked into 1st, San Jose is locked into 2nd, Vegas is locked into 3rd.
- Arizona is eliminated with Colorado's guaranteed point against Winnipeg.
- Edmonton, Vancouver, Anaheim, and Los Angeles are eliminated from playoff contention.
Winnipeg - 4/6 at Arizona
Nashville - 4/6 vs. Chicago
St. Louis - 4/6 vs. Vancouver
Dallas - 4/6 vs. Minnesota
Colorado - 4/6 at San Jose
** red denotes teams eliminated from playoffs
** blue denotes teams whose playoff position is locked
Current Western Conference Playoff Pairings
(1P) Calgary vs. (2WC) Colorado
(2P) San Jose vs. (3P) Vegas
(1C) Nashville vs. (1WC) Dallas
(2C) Winnipeg vs. (3C) St. Louis
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OK, you really want to know all the possible scenarios remaining for the top-3 spots?
There's 6 possible orders of finish in the Central, with 27 possible outcomes of games [W, L, OTL]. Since we play at 4pm, both Nashville and Winnipeg will know what they have to do [or don't have to do] to affect their finish and playoff position. So, here's the possible scenarios based on what the Blues might do on Saturday:
1. Blues lose in regulation - this would lock us into 3rd.
There's 6 possible orders of finish in the Central, with 27 possible outcomes of games [W, L, OTL]. Since we play at 4pm, both Nashville and Winnipeg will know what they have to do [or don't have to do] to affect their finish and playoff position. So, here's the possible scenarios based on what the Blues might do on Saturday:
1. Blues lose in regulation - this would lock us into 3rd.
- Nashville wins the division [and puts us against Winnipeg] with a win, an OTL and an OTL by Winnipeg, or a regulation loss by Winnipeg
- Winnipeg wins the division [and puts us against NSH] with a win or OTL and a NSH regulation loss.
- If Nashville wins
- any win or OTL by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, WPG 2nd, STL 3rd
- a regulation loss by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, STL 2nd, WPG 3rd
- Otherwise, if Nashville loses in OT
- a win by Winnipeg puts WPG 1st, NSH 2nd, STL 3rd
- an OTL by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, WPG 2nd, STL 3rd
- a loss in regulation by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, STL 2nd, WPG 3rd
- Otherwise, if Nashville loses in regulation
- a win or OTL by Winnipeg puts WPG 1st, STL 2nd, NSH 3rd
- a regulation loss by Winnipeg puts STL 1st, NSH 2nd, WPG 3rd
- If Nashville wins
- If Nashville wins
- A win by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, WPG 2nd, STL 3rd
- Any loss by Winnipeg puts NSH 1st, STL 2nd, WPG 3rd
- If Nashville loses in OT
- A win by Winnipeg puts WPG 1st, STL 2nd, NSH 3rd
- Any loss by Winnipeg puts STL 1st, NSH 2nd, WPG 3rd
- If Nashville loses in regulation
- A win by Winnipeg puts WPG 1st, STL 2nd, NSH 3rd
- An OTL by Winnipeg puts STL 1st, WPG 2nd, NSH 3rd
- A regulation loss by Winnipeg puts STL 1st, NSH 2nd, WPG 3rd
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It’s far-fetched to pass either Winnipeg or Nashville. Most likely the Blues start on the road at Winnipeg. I’m fine with that, although I love that the Blues are getting fully healthy right now. They’ll be ready for a fight.
Also it’s crazy how the games are staggered on Saturday. The Blues can go out and throw down the gauntlet with a win, amd temporarily take first in the division. Maybe Chicago will do them a favor, and maybe Arizona will as well.
Also it’s crazy how the games are staggered on Saturday. The Blues can go out and throw down the gauntlet with a win, amd temporarily take first in the division. Maybe Chicago will do them a favor, and maybe Arizona will as well.
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So...you must be pretty stoked that you will be (almost for sure) facing the Jets in round 1. Easiest first round opponent in the playoffs
Is Josh Morrissey expected to be back for the 1st round? Him out is a big void to fill.
He still hasn't participated in contact practices. And the D is only part of the problem. There are some stats to show the Scheifele - Wheeler line is the WORST first line in the league since January. The whole team has collapsed. It is sad to watch. So much for the dominating team for the next few seasons. They might have to blow things up in the summer to fix it. Firing Maurice. Trading a 30 goal scorer. Dealing with Trouba.
***yes, I am ticked off.
Oh, I wouldn't say that. At least we get to talk to some knowledgeable Jets fans.So...you must be pretty stoked that you will be (almost for sure) facing the Jets in round 1. Easiest first round opponent in the playoffs
Looking forward to it!
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You know ... before we hate their f***ing guts and they hate our f***ing guts and each side hopes the other f***ing dies and rots in hell like the goddamn heathen bastards each swears to God the other is, has been, and always will be.Oh, I wouldn't say that. At least we get to talk to some knowledgeable Jets fans.
But yeah, other than that
Its baloney to say 'easiest opponent' when real game starts about Jets. I'm scared and mixed feelings if you face either Preds or Jets. They both are teams who can push and grow after series to Stanley Cup finalist and maybe win it or thumble at first round which is their huge questionmark imo.
I know its baloney to say Jets are easiest opponent even its coming from Jets fan, either it was joke or jinx, but its baloney. We don't want to wake up this guy, 'cus if he does wants to win he'll crush us.
I know its baloney to say Jets are easiest opponent even its coming from Jets fan, either it was joke or jinx, but its baloney. We don't want to wake up this guy, 'cus if he does wants to win he'll crush us.
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