WJC: Tournament popularity outside Canada

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Some european countries don't care cause they suck..plain and simple. How can you get involved emotionally into a tournament when you may have a chance at a gold once every 5-10 years...That falls on hockey federations not TSN or Canada or HC or anything like that. If TSN wants to build a tournament they pretty much built then they can.

Ok but that doesn't make Canada winning any more significant....

Canada winning in a global soccer, basketball, rugby, cricket or baseball tournament; now that would mean something to me. Not Canadian teenagers smoking other countries' teenagers in a tournament only we know about in a niche sport we invented haha.
 
Canadians keep saying nobody outside of Canada cares about this tournament, swedes keep saying that it's popular there with a rising interest. I wonder who's correct?
 
What do you mean? :sarcasm:

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Canadians keep saying nobody outside of Canada cares about this tournament, swedes keep saying that it's popular there with a rising interest. I wonder who's correct?

I honestly challenge you to walk out your door right this second and ask the first person you see on the street what the score to Sweden's last game was.

Honestly.
 
I honestly challenge you to walk out your door right this second and ask the first person you see on the street what the score to Sweden's last game was.

Honestly.

You're serious? I could probably do that with the Olympics and barely get more right answers than the WHJCs and let's turn that around on Canda, could you walk outside and everybody would know what the score turned out to be against the US? Jesus what a bad argument.
 
I definately agree it's not followed much here in Czech Republic but I think the popularity here is rapidly increasing. Seems to me that media care about this tourney much more than it used to be. But it's true that the articles are in 95% just about czech team, not the tournament overall. More fans are intrigued too. Still, it's not comperable to senior WHC. Certainly, the fact we haven't played semifinal since 2005 isn't much helpful.
 
In all seriousness, this tournament is 100% TSN generated hype.

The fact that they have been able to whip Canadians into a patriotic frenzy about "our game" to the point that we will pay $400+ to watch a bunch of juniors play in a tournament very few follow outside of Canada is pathetic.

I went to some games this year because I am a hardcore hockey fan, but I didn't pay more than $15 for a ticket.

Pathetic or brilliant? ;) It's made TSN and lots of sponsors so much money. The ticket gauging is where I draw the line. This tournament ain't the Olympics now. So don't charge olympic prices then bellyache no one wants to see it. Or find a city that will. Any corporation in Canada knows getting your product tied to a Canadian hockey tournament of any kind=instant revenue. But no one in our country seems to see it as the same thing as NCAA making huge money off TV deals and advertising for players who aren't getting anything financially except a scholarship. It is the same. Except at least the WJC is just for a few weeks. NCAA basketball and football are a season long cashfest off the backs of talented players.
 
Some european countries don't care cause they suck..plain and simple. How can you get involved emotionally into a tournament when you may have a chance at a gold once every 5-10 years...

32 countries go to the World Cup of soccer. They all get emotionally involved (most of them to pretty extreme levels), even though there are only about seven or eight teams that have a realistic chance of winning it. The tournament is very popular here in Finland too, and we don't even have a realistic chance of qualifying for the tournament.

I went to Bilbao in August to see Finland play in the basketball World Cup. We had 10,000 Finns supporting our team, all of us having travelled across Europe to get there. We played the USA in the round robin and all of us knew that we don't have a snowball's chance in hell to win them (nor to make the semi-finals in the tournament). That didn't stop people from going nuts every time Finland somehow managed to score. The final score was 114-55.

So by no means is it impossible to get excited about a tourament where you have no chance of winning. The problem with hockey is that globally it's such a tiny sport.
 
32 countries go to the World Cup of soccer. They all get emotionally involved (most of them to pretty extreme levels), even though there are only about seven or eight teams that have a realistic chance of winning it. The tournament is very popular here in Finland too, and we don't even have a realistic chance of qualifying for the tournament.

I went to Bilbao in August to see Finland play in the basketball World Cup. We had 10,000 Finns supporting our team, all of us having travelled across Europe to get there. We played the USA in the round robin and all of us knew that we don't have a snowball's chance in hell to win them (nor to make the semi-finals in the tournament). That didn't stop people from going nuts every time Finland somehow managed to score. The final score was 114-55.

So by no means is it impossible to get excited about a tourament where you have no chance of winning. The problem with hockey is that globally it's such a tiny sport.

Yet no other winter sport has expanded to warm climate areas as effectively as hockey.
 
Very important to a lot of hockey fans here in the States. And I have a pretty good number of friends in Sweden and Germany who are really into it too...
 
Just my opinion: This tournament is not popular in Switzerland but no Junior Sport in any form is. I don't know where it comes from and why this is different in some countries but competition only seems to matter on the adult or professional level here. So I doubt this tournament will ever be popular but at least our national television showed recaps of the Swiss games during the Spengler Cup intermissions this year.

And the Spengler Cup is another reason why it won't be a popular tournament to follow: the Spengler Cup is so well known and has just more tradition here. It doesn't help that the tournament is in Canada/US every second year so people would have to stay up past midnight every time. You don't to this for players that you have no relation to because they more and more play abroads already at a young age.

I can not take this tournament too serious because it is Junior sports and those players are in the middle of their development. If the players would be 20/21 like in football for the U21 Championships it would already be a lot more meaningful. Nonetheless, I enjoy watching some games of this tournament but would never stay home for a game.
 
I dont think anyone cares outside of Canada unfortunately and even in Canada the attendance has been pretty poor so I dont think they care as much has they claim they do. You can blame ticket prices all day long, but hardcore fans will fill an arena regardless. All supply and demand.

I love hockey and still only watch games that Canada/USA/Russia/Sweden are playing each other. Its a waste of time watching any of the above teams destroy Germany and other crappy games.

And unless the Czechs, Slovaks, Fins, etc.. have a star worth watching, I wont tune into those games. Its like watching sloppy NCAA/Junior hockey.
 
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That is because north american sports are largely not played outside of the US. The IIHF is a much more active international federation than FIBA and the likes of other sports.

We also have professional sports outside of the U.S. All of those leagues release players for international competition.
 
In Finland only hardcore fans care about the tournament. Same applies to all junior tournaments in all sports. It just does not make sense to try to hype these kind of tournaments. Some games can be fun to watch but that's it.

Finnish media tries to spoonfeed this tournament to people in sport news, but it doesn't help because games are not shown on free channels. That's why people watching sports know that the tournament is ongoing, but they watch just the highlights from sport news. When Finland got to final last year the final game (SWE-FIN) was shown on free channels and it got good ratings, but still nothing like WHC games when Team Finland is playing.

One reason why Europeans see this tournament differently is that the best European U20 players already play in professional leagues with men. It's much more interesting to see how they fare against men than to watch how some top U20 players dominate against some kids who will never make even the top Euro leagues. Example: in 2005 Finland had star players like: Hokkanen, Honkaheimo, Korhonen, Kuukka, Mäntymaa, Tieranta, Kolehmainen, Makkonen, Nurmi, Seitsonen, Tukonen, Riska, Piispanen, Nabb, Marjamäki.... There were a couple of future NHLers, few KHLers, but most of them haven't made formidable career even in Finnish Liiga.

Most Canadian U20 players play still in juniors and that's why this kind of junior tournament fits that stage of career quite well. In Europe you play in juniors basically only if you're not good enough to play with men, and that's why junior hockey is not highly regarded. Even Puljujärvi plays with men in semi-pro league even though he's only 16 years old.

Edit. it's a bit ironic that NHL promotes this tournament unlike WHC. Still NHL teams don't want to let players to tournament any more than to Olympics, for example. NHL just tries to get the benefits, but holds all the players who are useful enough to play in NHL. That's typical NHL behavior. Other pro leagues release the players, even though many of the players are very important for their teams. Yeah, NHL is bigger business, but relatively the impacts are the same.

Actually the impacts in Europe can be bigger. In SHL a team can ultimately be relegated because some player played in WJC (let alone got injured). In NHL worst that can happen is that team finished last and gets advantage in next draft.
 
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These "true hockey watchers" also like to make a lot of noise about how they are "true hockey watchers" and real connoisseurs of the sport. It's fashionable among them to tell everybody what a load of crap the men's world championships is and how great the World Juniors are. The men's tournament is hugely popular in Finland and many Finns only really follow hockey every May when it's on. They don't know many NHL players and seldom understand how misleading the name "world championships" is when so many of the world's best are not present. This irritates many hardcore hockey followers here, and they start to hype up the World Juniors. It's a really cool thing to do and almost makes you feel like you're a Canadian yourself. If you had to describe the mentality of these Finnish World Juniors enthusiasts with one word, it's really easy: hipster.

You know what's annoying? People that overuse the term "hipster". There is nothing "hipster" about watching the world juniors or sports in general. If anything, watching a completely inferior brand of hockey with an ironic title such as "The men's world championships" would be "hipster".

I don't understand any of this whining about the WJC, TSN or the subtle European bias against junior hockey. Are you disinterested perhaps because Finland has not performed well this year? It doesn't add up.

The WJC is hands down the best hockey tournament next to the Olympics and the entertainment level is often better than the NHL on many nights. It's FAR superior to the WHC, Spengler Cup, etc. Those tournaments only seem to be popular because the best players usually leave Europe and the fans get to see a few former and current NHL players play in them. If I lived in Europe I might watch the WHC or Spengler Cup a little more than I do now but I certainly wouldn't pretend that is what Europeans think it is.
 
You know what's annoying? People that overuse the term "hipster". There is nothing "hipster" about watching the world juniors or sports in general. If anything, watching a completely inferior brand of hockey with an ironic title such as "The men's world championships" would be "hipster".

I don't understand any of this whining about the WJC, TSN or the subtle European bias against junior hockey. Are you disinterested perhaps because Finland has not performed well this year? It doesn't add up.

The WJC is hands down the best hockey tournament next to the Olympics and the entertainment level is often better than the NHL on many nights. It's FAR superior to the WHC, Spengler Cup, etc. Those tournaments only seem to be popular because the best players usually leave Europe and the fans get to see a few former and current NHL players play in them. If I lived in Europe I might watch the WHC or Spengler Cup a little more than I do now but I certainly wouldn't pretend that is what Europeans think it is.

I enjoy both tournaments but claiming the WJHC is "far superior" to WHC is just plain stupidity. The quality of play isn't even comparable.
 
You know what's annoying? People that overuse the term "hipster". There is nothing "hipster" about watching the world juniors or sports in general. If anything, watching a completely inferior brand of hockey with an ironic title such as "The men's world championships" would be "hipster".

The Finnish men's national team that competes in the world championships would swipe the floor with the Finnish U20 national team. There's inferiority for you. Ofcourse in Canada hyping up the men's tournament could be a hipster thing to do, cause people don't care about it over there. Many of these Finnish World Juniors enthusiasts are the kind of people who wouldn't be big fans of the tournament if they were Canadian, cause in Canada you can't show how eclectic and far above the masses you are culturally by following the tournament.

The WJC is hands down the best hockey tournament next to the Olympics and the entertainment level is often better than the NHL on many nights.

There are loads of scoring chances, cause the players make a lot of mistakes due to their lack of experience. That makes it entertaining to watch, but the quality of play is still way below the quality of play in the men's world championships.

I don't understand any of this whining about the WJC, TSN or the subtle European bias against junior hockey. Are you disinterested perhaps because Finland has not performed well this year? It doesn't add up.

I'm not disinterested. I've watched all of Finland's games and I'll watch the final if I'm awake when it's on. But I also watch Finland's medal round games in the men's tournament. I'm not like the hockey hipsters here who have to bash the men's tournament to show how special they are.
 
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I don't care about the outcome of this tournament, just following top prospects.
I'd imagine lots of white small town Canadians are very invested in this. It stems from having no success internationally during the 90s. TSN took the opportunity to market this tournament to fill the void. I suppose things started turning around when the country sent actual national squads, instead of random players from the best teams in the Memorial Cup.
 
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Ok but that doesn't make Canada winning any more significant....

Canada winning in a global soccer, basketball, rugby, cricket or baseball tournament; now that would mean something to me. Not Canadian teenagers smoking other countries' teenagers in a tournament only we know about in a niche sport we invented haha.

Pretty much. There were more people watching the juniors than the Raptors. It's pathetic. We have a non-existent culture for sports. Other sports are actively marginalized. Look at a similarly populated country in Australia. Look at the large number of team sports they follow (Aussie Rules Football, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Cricket etc..), and how well they do in international tournaments.

The attitude is, if it isn't hockey it doesn't matter. Pisses me off. Apparently I can't be a fan of a multitude of other sports in this country in addition to hockey. It's ridiculous. Fortunately, it's markedly different in my generation. People have diverse tastes for the most part.
 
The WJC is hands down the best hockey tournament next to the Olympics and the entertainment level is often better than the NHL on many nights. It's FAR superior to the WHC, Spengler Cup, etc.
This is one truly weird claim that can be quite often seen here at HFBoards. If entertainment level is so high, would it be even higher if younger and/or worse kids were playing? If you like to see mistakes, bad plays, unstructured team play and coast to coast hockey you should come to watch our beer league games. Maybe there could be a business opportunity and our beer league could become more popular than NHL? :sarcasm:

Few years ago Finnish U20 team played regularly against teams in 2nd tier Finnish league (semi-pro). It didn't get many wins, even though the opponents weren't 100% serious and often rested some of their better players.
 
Canadians keep saying nobody outside of Canada cares about this tournament, swedes keep saying that it's popular there with a rising interest. I wonder who's correct?

Let's not pretend Swedes having good age groups and final appearances hasn't had any effect on the popularity of the tournament there. Couple of bad age groups or performances and we'll see how the ratings go.
 
The Finnish men's national team that competes in the world championships would swipe the floor with the Finnish U20 national team. There's inferiority for you. Ofcourse in Canada hyping up the men's tournament could be a hipster thing to do, cause people don't care about it over there. Many of these Finnish World Juniors enthusiasts are the kind of people who wouldn't be big fans of the tournament if they were Canadian, cause in Canada you can't show how eclectic and far above the masses you are culturally by following the tournament.

That is ridiculous. :shakehead
People watch WJC because they like icehockey, not because it's "hipster" or elite.
Do you really only watch WJC because it makes you far above masses? (Which in my opinion doesn't)
 
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