Toughness or two way

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Would you rather have option 1 or 2 ?

Option 1

Ovechkin Lindros Iginla
Pronger Weber

Option 2

Marchand Crosby Hossa
Lidstrom Pietrangelo

Went with 1

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[CanadienShark]

1.

Ovechkin > Marchand
Lindros ≤ Crosby
Iginla > Hossa
Pronger < Lidstrom
Weber > Pietrangelo

Pretty easy vote overall.

 

[bobholly39]

For career? Or for 1 game or playoff/season at their peak?

For career, Crosby/Lidstrom make option 2 a hell of a lot more appealing. I also think those players in the 2nd unit would have a ton more chemistry (we know Crosby/Marchand do well together). I feel as though Ovechkin/Lindros wouldn't mesh so well or some reason. If I could separate them on two lines, it would be great though.

At their peak this is closer, and might give advantage to team 1.

I voted team 2

 

[biturbo19]

I don't really think team "toughness" fits together well at all.

It's also not like team "two way" lacks grit or size even.


For me, physicality is an important and often underrated aspect of the game today, but it's still team "two way" and it really is not even remotely close.

 

[centipede2233]

I think team 1 has the better players 3-2.

If I want to pay to see a regular season ticket, I’d prefer to watch team 1
If I want my favourite team to win the cup with one of these groups, I take team 2.

 

[Gains]

Marchand & Pietrangelo are the weakest players here. I picked Team 1

 

[Fatass]

This is really good. IMO both groups are skilled and tough. (Not fighting kind of tough, but hard skill)
Went with option 1 because Pronger would injure guys and gain the advantage for his group.

 

[banks]

Pietrangelo is clearly a weak link here. But I still picked team2-way.

I think a combo of prime Crosby/Hossa would be phenomenal. I just don't think Ovie and Iggy could play with enough discipline to compensate.

But it's undeniably close. Both groups are full of superstars.

 

[Dog]

Option. 2 Lindros to many concussions and prefer Lidstrom over Pronger. I would trade Marchand.

 

[JackSlater]

I'd say that 1 has better players, not by a huge degree or anything, but 2 probably would play better together. Crosby has at last played competitive games with both Marchand and Hossa, and there was solid chemistry. Pietrangelo would be a great partner for Lidstrom.

If team 1 can figure things out then 1 would be better. I think it's pretty close though.

 

[tabness]

1 ainec shift by shift game by game

maybe 2 pulls out ahead when considering drafting for years of success but then again things might look different if you run the timeline for 1 again as well

 

[Be a Hab]

If were talking in their prime, I'm taking option 1

 

[BraveCanadian]

Option 1 is a lot more than just toughness

 

[Voight]

Option 1 is what you need for the playoffs.

 

[biturbo19]

Option 1 is what you need for the playoffs.

Should we uh...add up the Cup rings? How does that math out?

 

[SillyRabbit]

I think the meanness and toughness of lineup #1 wins out.

Can you imagine having to go up against Ovechkin-Lindros-Iginla? They'd be absolutely destructive.

Then you've got Pronger who has three different Conn Smythe worthy runs (Lindros and Iginla also have Conn Smythe worthy runs themselves along with Ovechkin's actual Conn Smythe).

Give me Group 1. If you're gonna "stack" players of a certain attribute, I think stacking this level of physicality would win out in a playoff series vs stacking two-way talent.

 

[biturbo19]

I think the meanness and toughness of lineup #1 wins out.

Can you imagine having to go up against Ovechkin-Lindros-Iginla? They'd be absolutely destructive.

Then you've got Pronger who has three different Conn Smythe worthy runs (Lindros and Iginla also have Conn Smythe worthy runs themselves along with Ovechkin's actual Conn Smythe).

Give me Group 1. If you're gonna "stack" players of a certain attribute, I think stacking this level of physicality would win out in a playoff series vs stacking two-way talent.

The attribute Team1 can't stack though, is passing and playmaking ability. None of them are really elite at it. And at the end of the day, there is only 1 puck on the ice.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

The attribute Team1 can't stack though, is passing and playmaking ability. None of them are really elite at it. And at the end of the day, there is only 1 puck on the ice.

Disagree, Igy had no supporting cast and Ovechkin played with Backstrom...all he had to do is shoot, im pretty confident Ovy would have more career pass with an all around guy instead of one of the best playmaker lately

I think the meanness and toughness of lineup #1 wins out.

Can you imagine having to go up against Ovechkin-Lindros-Iginla? They'd be absolutely destructive.

Then you've got Pronger who has three different Conn Smythe worthy runs (Lindros and Iginla also have Conn Smythe worthy runs themselves along with Ovechkin's actual Conn Smythe).

Give me Group 1. If you're gonna "stack" players of a certain attribute, I think stacking this level of physicality would win out in a playoff series vs stacking two-way talent.

Now we add prime Hextall and we have some exciting series

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

I dont see a huge difference between Weber and Pietrangelo

Weber>Piet
Lids>Pronger

I tried to make the line the more even i could think of, just wanted to see some opinion about the toughness

Sure if the two line meet in the 1st round, i think the two way guys have more chance, but in the final with a banged team 2 lmao

 

[biturbo19]

Disagree, Igy had no supporting cast and Ovechkin played with Backstrom...all he had to do is shoot, im pretty confident Ovy would have more career pass with an all around guy instead of one of the best playmaker lately



Now we add prime Hextall and we have some exciting series

The thing is, i don't believe that situation fundamentally changes what those players are, or how they primarily generate offense.

Team "Tough" just has a lot of finishers and no real setup men. OV isn't suddenly going to morph into Tanguay or Husselius for Iggy...and Iggy isn't going to become one of the best passers in recent history like Backstrom. Lindros himself was far more power forward, and not the classic "playmaking" Center either. There's just not enough puck to go around, and not enough creativity to really make the absolute most of a trio of goal-scoring power forwards.

Extends to the defence as well.

Like...what's your powerplay setup with each group? Powerplays are hugely decisive if there's a significant advantage tilting the matchup.


Not to be completely reductive about it...but Team Tough powerplay is what? A bunch of guys standing around waiting for someone to tee it up? But there isn't really anyone to do that. There's no "quarterback".

 

[DitchMarner]

In general, I'd take very good to elite defensive play over toughness and physicality.

As far as this poll goes, though, I'm not sure Ovechkin is a great fit on Team Toughness. He's a goal scorer who brings an element of physical play. Someone like Neely would be better.

And there are a lot of centres who are better defensively than Crosby. He's more of a scoring star who is dependable defensively.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Going with Crosby. No need to overthink it. He’s the biggest force multiplier making others better.

 

[BKarchitect]

Like others have said, I find the line a little fuzzy here but Crosby+Lidstrom wins it for me.

 

[Neutrinos]

Surprised how close the voting is with this one...

People seem to forget just how dominant Pronger was in his prime, and at his peak, he may have been the most impactful player listed in the OP

 

[AvroArrow]

Pronger and Weber are/were better 2 way players than Pietro. Iginla wasn't just tough he was an elite 2 way power forward, same goes for Lindros. OV is the only one in group 1 who lacked defensively, pretty easy vote.

Also Marchand is the weak link bringing team 2 down

Surprised how close the voting is with this one...

People seem to forget just how dominant Pronger was in his prime, and at his peak, he may have been the most impactful player listed in the OP

Last D man to win the Hart I believe