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Why would we want a coach that's going to make the team better?

Lav is a guy who can give you a boost for a season. It does nothing for us but help keep us in the black hole. I'd rather have Willie Desjardins.
You may already know this, but the bolded is the exact reason Lavy is here and you are answering your own question.

The Kings have made clear the goal is simply make the playoffs and hope for the best as futile as most of us view that as being.

This hiring makes perfect sense in that context. Just the latest example of how lost and rudderless this team is.
 
Two seasons of Cryin Ryan's influence sure seemed to rub off on these guys when it came to contract negotiation. Maybe Doughty will call a press conference and faux cry because the Kings won't give him every dime he wants.

It's well within their rights its their careers, and they only have one. But I wouldn't expect any kind of hometown discount out of #8.

Let's just call a spade a spade. Doughty and Kopitar chose comfort and respect (cash) over contention, most likely because they had already satisfied by winning twice.

Take away that comfort and don't give them the cash (respect), you may see some frustration there. Certainty didn't see it from Anze because he was given the two more years of cash (respect) to end his career and given the banquet treatment around the league.

I don't think Drew's competitive streak ends at the rink. He is going to want his parting gift (cash and respect) too. If he doesn't get it, it could get ugly.
 
I looked at the top 5 scorers for 2 specific teams, 17-18 Vegas and 24-25 Florida. 5 of those 10 fit the profile that you say is an outlier, so it isn't an outlier. I picked these two teams because they are/were contending teams. No stat padding on a lottery team.

I added two well known cases of Thompson and MacK. MacK best season through four seasons was his rookie year. Season 4 was down 10 points from his rookie despite playing all 82 games. I think you would have said he trending down instead of breaking out.

There are many more like Dylan Strome and Mika Zibanejad.

Ignorance is a choice.
The NHL is filled with high expectations and horrible turnouts. To think that the Kings got the “suck for the first 6 years” of his career guy to suddenly become tage Thompson is legit HOF levels of stupidity. There’s a reason why tage Thompson is an anomaly. Even the MacKinnon comparison is so bad that I assume you’re trolling.
I actually think Byfield can put up 70-80 points but I also think that probably happens on a team that sacrifices offense for defense and has nothing to play for by March.
You expecting a 20-30 point jump for a guy whose career has stagnated and he’s 2 years removed from his highest production. That’s a huge ask.
Let's just call a spade a spade. Doughty and Kopitar chose comfort and respect (cash) over contention, most likely because they had already satisfied by winning twice.

Take away that comfort and don't give them the cash (respect), you may see some frustration there. Certainty didn't see it from Anze because he was given the two more years of cash (respect) to end his career and given the banquet treatment around the league.

I don't think Drew's competitive streak ends at the rink. He is going to want his parting gift (cash and respect) too. If he doesn't get it, it could get ugly.
Doughty and Kopitar to me will always be to me the two guys who got the Kings to the championships. Rested on their laurels for many years after and became the biggest cancers that set back this organization for a 10+ years and more to come. I know people say “well the management should have gotten rid of them”. Absolutely they should have. They held onto the cancers. But it’s also not lost on me that both doughty and Kopitar didn’t give a f*** about the Kings as much as they should have. If they cared they probably would have been so frustrated and requested a trade.
 
Drew has always been a difficult negotiation.

I just hope that this time he is difficult enough that the Kings make the smart move and let him walk.
The smartest thing to do would to trade him if they can. Deadline deals get the most return.

10 years ago I would have never thought I'd dislike him as a player/leader/person this much.
 
Looking at Doughty objectively would be to look at his Olympics deployment.. ~ 8 min TOI 3rd pairing.. of course thats an all-star team so its skewed but still indicative of just how far he's fallen off.

Let say he's worth between 4 and 5m aav. His salary is 11m. A buyout gives an immediate 7.3 m relief from that with 3.6m dead cap this season and next. Value-wise its close to a wash (a value plus this season 7m vs 4.5m, a minus next season on the cap)... but the beauty of it is you dont need to deal with Drew at all - other than to say thanks for the memories.

So if a trade doesnt materialize that could improve on the buyout, just press the button.
 
The NHL is filled with high expectations and horrible turnouts. To think that the Kings got the “suck for the first 6 years” of his career guy to suddenly become tage Thompson is legit HOF levels of stupidity. There’s a reason why tage Thompson is an anomaly. Even the MacKinnon comparison is so bad that I assume you’re trolling.

You expecting a 20-30 point jump for a guy whose career has stagnated and he’s 2 years removed from his highest production. That’s a huge ask.

Doughty and Kopitar to me will always be to me the two guys who got the Kings to the championships. Rested on their laurels for many years after and became the biggest cancers that set back this organization for a 10+ years and more to come. I know people say “well the management should have gotten rid of them”. Absolutely they should have. They held onto the cancers. But it’s also not lost on me that both doughty and Kopitar didn’t give a f*** about the Kings as much as they should have. If they cared they probably would have been so frustrated and requested a trade.
I'm not "expecting" anything, but Faber apparently wouldn't score as much here as he does on another team "because Kings", so why couldn't Byfield score 20 more points a season in the NHL?

He could easily put up 70 centering Kempe and Panarin, and it could easily be on a team that has sacrificed some of its defense and has nothing to play for by March, like I said in my earlier post.

Panarin wasn't putting up a PPG because he got to play with Kopitar. Steve Rucchin put up 67 points in the dead puck era. Byfield can hit 70.
 
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For sure Byfield point totals could go up easily with consistent PP1 and decent wingers managed by a real head coach... still the guy will do his usual disappearing act for stretches as he's done his entire career. Whenever he's been given some opportunities (albeit rare) he hasnt seized the moment. Notably, he's usually the 1st guy on his line off the ice. To me, there's something deeply un-hockey about him.
 
Looking at Doughty objectively would be to look at his Olympics deployment.. ~ 8 min TOI 3rd pairing.. of course thats an all-star team so its skewed but still indicative of just how far he's fallen off.

Let say he's worth between 4 and 5m aav. His salary is 11m. A buyout gives an immediate 7.3 m relief from that with 3.6m dead cap this season and next. Value-wise its close to a wash (a value plus this season 7m vs 4.5m, a minus next season on the cap)... but the beauty of it is you dont need to deal with Drew at all - other than to say thanks for the memories.

So if a trade doesnt materialize that could improve on the buyout, just press the button.
Drew would be an incredible 2nd pairing stalwart on a contending team, he is just over used here (like we haven’t heard that before).

The Kings retaining 50% on him at the deadline would have the suitors lining up to be sure.
 
Drew would be an incredible 2nd pairing stalwart on a contending team, he is just over used here (like we haven’t heard that before).

The Kings retaining 50% on him at the deadline would have the suitors lining up to be sure.
I dont know about incredible. His foot speed since the ankle injury seems very suspect. He said he needs to be better this upcoming season. Im not sure what he can do to improve. Maybe he thinks he can get some of his footspeed back through workouts and work on technique.
 
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Let's just look at LA's roster from 25-26. Kempe went from 29 (shortened 56 game season) to 54 points at 25 followed by continuing to improve in points with a 67 point season and 3 straight 70+ point seasons.

Fiala started breaking out at 23 after a trade and went point per game at 25.

Perry went from 27 goals to leading the league in goals with 50 at age 25.

Why can I keep finding guys that have huge improvements at Byfield's age and older if the concept is so anomalous? Maybe we need to look at current forwards that averaged 50+ points over a 3 year span in their early 20s and didn't have a big improvement to find actual anomalies?
 
I dont know about incredible. His foot speed since the ankle injury seems very suspect. He said he needs to be better this upcoming season. Im not sure what he can do to improve. Maybe he thinks he can get some of his footspeed back through workouts and work on technique.
His foot speed can be what it is without change, and he still would be a great 2nd pairing D for any team with cup aspirations.

His usefulness isn't that of a first pairing all situations kind of guy, but he still can be a solid contributor to a winning team. Just not here.
 
His foot speed can be what it is without change, and he still would be a great 2nd pairing D for any team with cup aspirations.

His usefulness isn't that of a first pairing all situations kind of guy, but he still can be a solid contributor to a winning team. Just not here.
Its hard to gauge because we only see him doing his typical 27 min routine. Its possible with less minutes he could have more energy and do more than just slow play down to conserve energy.
 
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I'm not "expecting" anything, but Faber apparently wouldn't score as much here as he does on another team "because Kings", so why couldn't Byfield score 20 more points a season in the NHL?

He could easily put up 70 centering Kempe and Panarin, and it could easily be on a team that has sacrificed some of its defense and has nothing to play for by March, like I said in my earlier post.

Panarin wasn't putting up a PPG because he got to play with Kopitar. Steve Rucchin put up 67 points in the dead puck era. Byfield can hit 70.
Ima hold you to it playa because I watched him for 5 years now and points dont grow on trees.
 
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Let's just look at LA's roster from 25-26. Kempe went from 29 (shortened 56 game season) to 54 points at 25 followed by continuing to improve in points with a 67 point season and 3 straight 70+ point seasons.

Fiala started breaking out at 23 after a trade and went point per game at 25.

Perry went from 27 goals to leading the league in goals with 50 at age 25.

Why can I keep finding guys that have huge improvements at Byfield's age and older if the concept is so anomalous? Maybe we need to look at current forwards that averaged 50+ points over a 3 year span in their early 20s and didn't have a big improvement to find actual anomalies?
You on coke again if you think Byfield has the same talent level that Fiala has. And Perry was nearly PPG in his 4th season in the NHL. LMAO. Sure Unc. whateva u say.
 
I think the odds of Byfield not being the guy we see today is maybe 25%. Its not impossible but its not probable. Maybe if they rip that necklace off, keep him off the honeypots, have him do a little dip there is a chance.
 
I think the odds of Byfield not being the guy we see today is maybe 25%. Its not impossible but its not probable. Maybe if they rip that necklace off, keep him off the honeypots, have him do a little dip there is a chance.
Id personally wager slightly less than 25 percent. I even wager that high because Panarin is goated so it should be a lot easier for him to rack up points by being carried by smeone like him.
 
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I'm worried some of us are going to burn out before the draft at this rate. It's a long, lonely summer. Got to pace ourselves.
 
Id personally wager slightly less than 25 percent. I even wager that high because Panarin is goated so it should be a lot easier for him to rack up points by being carried by smeone like him.
Well Im saying 25 because I know how I felt about Kempe the season he broke out.. i wanted him out because he was taking dumb penalties and not scoring.. it was like right when i gave up on him, he started scoring. So im hedging a bit with Bustfield...Kopi was a big cock block. Stuck playing with vets also a cock block. Not being the guy early in his career another block. There some things that were very wrong about how he was developed. Still I also see there is something wrong with him mentally and just his attitude toward the game - guy with all the skills and not the hunger.
 
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Drew would be an incredible 2nd pairing stalwart on a contending team, he is just over used here (like we haven’t heard that before).

The Kings retaining 50% on him at the deadline would have the suitors lining up to be sure.
There is a small difference in play between Doughty and Ceci. Drew is a vanilla third pairing guy with an ego that won't allow him to play that role well.
 
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Let's just look at LA's roster from 25-26. Kempe went from 29 (shortened 56 game season) to 54 points at 25 followed by continuing to improve in points with a 67 point season and 3 straight 70+ point seasons.

Fiala started breaking out at 23 after a trade and went point per game at 25.

Perry went from 27 goals to leading the league in goals with 50 at age 25.

Why can I keep finding guys that have huge improvements at Byfield's age and older if the concept is so anomalous? Maybe we need to look at current forwards that averaged 50+ points over a 3 year span in their early 20s and didn't have a big improvement to find actual anomalies?

You realize you are arguing with a guy whose claim to fame is he's the reason why there are instructions on shampoo right?

The guy's hockey IQ is non-existent.
 
Well Im saying 25 because I know how I felt about Kempe the season he broke out.. i wanted him out because he was taking dumb penalties and not scoring.. it was like right when i gave up on him, he started scoring. So im hedging a bit with Bustfield...Kopi was a big cock block. Stuck playing with vets also a cock block. Not being the guy early in his career another block. There some things that were very wrong about how he was developed. Still I also see there is something wrong with him mentally and just his attitude toward the game - guy with all the skills and not the hunger.


I remember this goal of Kempe because he had world class skill and this was his second shootout attempt of his career. Kempe always had high end skill. The only thing that was unusual about him was how long it took for him to bloom. But even then, in Kempe's first full season in the NHL he had the same exact amount of points as Byfield did in his most recent season. I think you can't compare them.

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Ima hold you to it playa because I watched him for 5 years now and points dont grow on trees.
32% of Kopitar's points came on the power play in his last good scoring season when he had 67 points.

22% of Byfield's points came on the power play last season.

It isn't a difficult argument to see Byfield's point totals jump if he is given the 40+ more seconds of PP time that Kopitar received, that time is on the 1st unit where he can stumble into secondary assists (it's called "The Modry"), and he plays at even strength with the two best wingers on the team.

Does that mean the team has a good season? Not so sure about that, but Byfield should be setting career highs across the board next season. 20 point jump? I think it is plausible. Streaky? You bet, but remember that Kopitar became Quietar for like, December or January all the time and still showed up at the end with his points.

Derek Armstrong put up 44 points in 67 games as the Kings de facto #1C. Byfield is more skilled than him and will have better linemates while playing during an easier era for scoring. If Byfield is still at 50-ish points while getting all the toys to play with, then we can officially call him a bust.
 
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I remember this goal of Kempe because he had world class skill and this was his second shootout attempt of his career. Kempe always had high end skill. The only thing that was unusual about him was how long it took for him to bloom. But even then, in Kempe's first full season in the NHL he had the same exact amount of points as Byfield did in his most recent season. I think you can't compare them.

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Byfield also put up 55 points on Kopitar's wing, but he was 21 v. Kempe at 25.

Kempe going from 14 goals to 35 was f***ing mind blowing while it was happening no matter how much he had flashed previously. All of a sudden he was a guy that was blasting one-timers on the power play from the Ovechkin spot.

I am super critical of Byfield, but it is not wild to think he can put up 70 points. I just feel it will be empty calories.
 
But even then, in Kempe's first full season in the NHL he had the same exact amount of points as Byfield did in his most recent season. I think you can't compare them.

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bro

I dont even care to get into this argument but

you cannot have an honest argument and pretend playing 81 games twice and a couple more covid shortened seasons are NOT 'first full season in the NHL' :laugh:
 
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